/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

In short

>there's no plausible evidence for Noah's Ark

>God changed the number of animals Noah needed to 7 from Genesis 6:19 to 7:2-3

>how he was able to take every animal from across the world

>how he was able to feed the thousands of animals

>how to stop them from fighting each other

>how to clean their manure

>how marine life didn't die when God mixed the salt water and fresh water

>>727127

>there's no plausible evidence for noah's ark

lack of evidence doesn't mean it didn't happen though, they are also asking for evidence of a specific sea-vessel that existed in primeval history

>God changed the number of animals Noah needed to 7 from Genesis 6:19 to 7:2-3

the ark event is partly allegorical, and in fact, most numbering of things in both the old and new testament are allegorical (1,000 meaning eternity, the prevalence of 3's, etc etc)

everything else is, well, God willed it. meanwhile, nearly every living human culture has a flood-type event in their mythology, social-group history

>>727132

it's a bit different in this situation, because those are outright miracles, whereas the Noah's Ark story is a global apocalyptic/historical event

>>727123

>>727127

>How can an all-knowing God give the exact blueprints that Noah needed to live and flee?

Skeptic videos are pretty dumb because they debunk God by thinking from perspective of a 21st century leftist with 21st century knowledge, not the perspective of an all-knowing God who created man and animal.

It's like being in the fourteenth century and denying that gravity exists because no formula nor theory for it in that time period.

>>727250

>Read Hugh of Saint Victor.

Why did I read this as Victor Hugo?! sage for autism

>>727127

>how to clean their manure

:o never thought about that before

>>727353

Pitch it over the side. I mean come on.

Maybe use some of it to raise earthworms to feed a lot of the omnivorous animals like opossums and small birds.

>>727358

I don't think that's the point. it's the quantity of feces you would have to deal with daily. all the animals in the world shitting in one boat. that's a lot of shit

God can feed an entire crowd with a small amount of fish and bread, he can put a lot of animals on a small boat

>>727250

Did you find it?

>>727127

Genesis 6:19

>From every living thing of all flesh you shall bring two of every kind into the ark, to keep them alive with you; they shall be male and female.

7:2-3

>You shall also bring with you into the ark the clean cattle by sevens, male and female; and the unclean cattle by twos, male and female; and the clean birds of heaven by twos, male and female, to keep seed alive on the face of all the earth.

>also

Sounds like additional animals, not a change in number. The animals Noah was to bring in two by two were already in the ark by this point.

>>727360

Not necessarily full-grown; just old enough that they can start breeding more than a year later. Plus the ark likely had room to spare; 1 pair of one "kind" that later delineated into more varieties of the same "kind", except for livestock and birds as >>727397 pointed out.

>>727138

Every ancient human settlement is near a body of water and all bodies of water flood at some point.

>>727414

Yeah, but they all tell the exact same story. Humanity pisses off God/the gods/the Sky Father so He floods the earth and one of the only survivors(most of the time the only survivor) is a guy who built a giant boat for he and his family(and sometimes a lot of animals, and sometimes just his dog) survive the flood by riding in it. The only exception I can think of is the flood tradition of a mountain dwelling Native American tribe whose name escapes me. In it, the flood completely destroys humanity(which at that point had become more like what we would call Nephilim) and God then creates a man and a woman out of the dust afterwards. That story also told of something that very closely resembled the Tower of Babel IIRC.

>>727167

>First of all apocalypse is just Greek for revelation.

if i was speaking greek, or intended to speak the word in the greek sense, I would have said so

>>727167

>Secondly, where is the archaeological evidence for the Red Sea parting?

first, it is not even agreed if it actually occurred in the "red sea". the original hebrew says something like "sea of reeds", which is actually a lake.

>maybe 5000 years later you would say, where is the evidence?

the event was listed at 15,000-13,000 B.C. by most most modern academics, so we're looking for evidence in a location that might not actually be where the event took place, 15,000 years later, as well

>>727447

lol, i mean 1,200 B.C.

it's late folks

>>727167

isn't there a land bridge in the red sea?

>>727123

http://www.businessinsider.com/scientists-noahs-arc-would-have-floated-with-70000-animals-if-built-by-dimensions-in-the-bible-2014-4?IR=T

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