81dc45 No.723270
What is your opinion about him?
81dc45 No.723272
A sick person with syphilis tells us to hate the sick
81dc45 No.723274
No one understands it or himself
81dc45 No.723275
90e18b No.723282
He said God is dead but now he dead
b07f64 No.723289
My pet theory that he was a sociopath and was therefore unable to feel empathy, so he came up with his whole "slave morality" conspiracy theory to explain why others were able to feel empathy. And his notion that man could will himself into evolving into the Ubermensch is retarded. It's as though he thought that everything he didn't like about human behavior was just a social construct. His Ubermensch rhetoric seems to resonates with some people on a very emotional level and that blinds them a lot of the holes in ideology. This is the same reason you get people on /pol/ rabidly defending him even though he said, in both his public and private life, that National Socialism is a form of slave morality and that he hated antisemitism with a passion.
0c5a51 No.723356
>>723289
>he said, in both his public and private life, that National Socialism is a form of slave morality
He died before WW1
a72fdd No.723363
I think his ponderings on nihilism eventually made him an absurdist.
8579df No.723395
>>723356
National Socialism as an ideology was around long before the party was. It goes back to the mid 1800s.
f103e4 No.723397
>"Atheism, true 'existential' atheism burning with hatred of a seemingly unjust or unmerciful God, is a spiritual state; it is a real attempt to grapple with the true God.… Nietzsche, in calling himself Antichrist, proved thereby his intense hunger for Christ" - Seraphim Rose
7ec2c9 No.723404
I think when and where a Christian is intelligent enough to understand his philosophy they then soon after deconvert from Christianity to either atheism or agnosticism if not some combination of both.
7ec2c9 No.723406
>>723280
See? This is the kind of retard tier shit that would invalidate the entire life's work of the genius that was Stephen Hawking simply because the dude was confined to a wheel chair for the majority of his life.
So this image is an example of an unintelligent Christian who does not understand Nietzche and so rashly/callously equates him with an angst filled teen rather than just admitting the truth which is…
"I-I don't understand Nietzche's philosophy duuude."
003222 No.723413
>>723406
Only unintelligent man here is the one that compares two people in completely different spheres. Hawking was a scientist and worked in this field (and yes, he had numerous retarded statements on theology, no human being is infallable), Nietzsche had different field and here his biography, attitude and history, matters.
Also, you are overcomplicating things, while its far more simple.
Nietzsche couldn't understand Christianity, including the fact that greatness and goodness are concepts dependent on eachother, not different.
Also, my friendly advise: stop screeching about us, unless you want to get banned. Look the rules of this board.
d038da No.723414
>>723397
I don't see how a hatred of a seemingly unjust God would have any bearing on Nietzsche, as he ostensibly preferred the Old Testament to the New.
a72fdd No.723416
>>723404
"understand" and "accept" are two different things. Who you're describing are nominal Christian that are attracted to empty emotionalism and culture.
3019b2 No.723426
He was friendzoned and turned into an MGTOW
His entire philosophy is derived from this fact.
Explains a lot about /pol/ really
>"Women are considered profound. Why? Because we never fathom their depths. But women aren't even shallow."
>"In the background of all of his feelings for a woman, a man still has contempt for the female sex."
>"The human being is too imperfect a thing. Love for a person would destroy me."
http://rsleve.people.wm.edu/FNLAS_1882.html
Summary at the bottom of this: http://existentialcomics.com/comic/150 from which pic related comes.
ca5a1c No.723431
>>723404
> is intelligent enough to understand his philosophy they then soon after deconvert from Christianity to either atheism or agnosticism
Uh what? I was a big fan of Nietzsche back in the day, and I ended up converting to Christianity. I fail to see how he has any particularly strong arguments against Christianity. Nietzsche was just a 19th century incel edgelord. His whole worldview was very inconsistent. On one hand he seems to verge on claiming that might is right, but only so long as Nietzsche already agrees with said mighty person's values. So Napoleon is great but Bismarck is terrible. And he changed his opinion on Wagner possibly because he had a crush on his wife.
d038da No.723456
>>723431
I'd sooner believe he had a crush on Wagner than on Cosima.
f5c267 No.723480
>>723270
His philosophy tends to be edgy at first but when you dig into it it is just gay.
>Why?
Nietzche sets out to destroy nihilism and relativism. He creates the model of super man (uber mensch) that overcomes himself and finds the meaning in the struggle. Against his vices, against the world and so on.
The underlying issue is that presupposition is "God is dead" and therefore man must become god. That's why it is gay. It is a definition of nihilism. "There is no Logos" "your life has meaning when you create that meaning". Therefore his philosophy completely lacks any moral compass. If you think something is good, just do it, be an ubermensch.
Basically Nietzche treats cancer (Relativism, nihilism) by another cancer, just different flavor.
Eventually it boils down to relativism vs absolutism. You can defeat relativism just with absolutism, with nothing else.
tl dr: His philosophy seems strong but in fact it is pretty weak.
f5c267 No.723481
>>723480
You see Nietzche said "God is dead" to express that modern man has killed the faith in God. I can agree with that. But God exists independently on man's desires and thoughts. God is the Logos. Just because modern man no longer beleves Logos does not cease to exist. So God is in no way dead, just the modern man thinks so.
Nietzche does not believe in God in the first place and therefore he sides for relativism. You see Nietzche IS the modern man, just LARPing as anti-modern.
9c0af3 No.723580
>>723270
At the very least an interesting thinker, if not always representative of what is often expected from such a class, namely things such as coherence and consistency. He applied principles to philosophy that more suited the area of art, making him more impressionistic than logical. When the subjects of his thought can be excavated from his texts, however, he is mostly an accurate critic, though when it comes to Christianity, which is the truth, he unfortunately too often attacks either a caricature or a late-stage Protestant abomination. Of his analyses, his most helpful and accurate ones concern liberalism and naturalism. The only problem for Nietzsche is that he basically accepts many of the premises underlying these diseases of the mind, infecting him as well with a desperate need of a Doctor of the Church. Since both naturalism and liberalism are false, so is Nietzsche's philosophy. For the modern westerner, it truly is Christ or nothing, nothing here becoming for Nietzsche a quite literal thing.
"I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live."
44d5a3 No.723584
>>723270
He had a very nice mustache.
af6dc2 No.723589
Godless, childless cuck like Voltaire and others. Just another dead Enlightenment secular humanist """""""thinker""""""" that brought us this great society of socialism and nihilism.
9c0af3 No.723599
>>723580
>diseases of the mind
Of course, these being diseases of the heart, more precisely. This poem by Emily Dickinson nicely encapsulates the man's thought. Note the will behind the described amputation. But whose will? If not God's, then whose?
Those — dying then,
Knew where they went —
They went to God's Right Hand —
That Hand is amputated now
And God cannot be found —
The abdication of Belief
Makes the Behavior small —
Better an ignis fatuus
Than no illume at all —
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Those_%E2%80%94_dying_then,
437b37 No.723625
>>723270 (OP)
The only man to truly understand what the death of God meant.
Morals, meaning, everything that ever supported our individual lives and our society appeared to him completely devoid of truth, as opposed to other atheists who kept following christian morals.
His whole philosophy is his effort to say "yes" to the tragedy of life without God, accepting it and being able to go beyond.
Outcome: failure, he went mad, proving the only two answers for men are the muzzle of a pistol or the foot of the cross.
7ec2c9 No.723641
>>723413
You don't understand philosophy and you don't understand analogies either.
Christians are supposed to be meek and mild yet you're haughty, arrogant and egocentric.
You need to humble yourself and admit that you don't know what you don't know and again you don't understand Nietzche's philosophy nor why the analogy I posted worked as it should.
Lastly for my own "friendly" advise to you and other self proclaimed "Christians" is if you don't want people like me showing up and ruining your day with a little cognitive dissonance provocation every now and then stop saying retarded shit.
Simple.
Don't speak on subjects you know nothing about such as Nietzche and philosophy.
Stick to faith.
Its more YOUR speed.
79e791 No.723684
be628d No.723685
>>723641
>It's another episode of "Atheists lecture Christians on Christian values"
Begone, fedora
999a60 No.723686
>>723641
lol do u think u are special for being one of the few who truly understands nietzsche? please, unlike him, give an argument for your assertions. explain how the poster's criticisms that nietzsche's work is filled more with "deep assertions" than actual argument, that nietzsche misunderstood the nature of happiness, or that nietzsche's popularity was due to the propoganda-like nature of his work, are in any way criticisms that could apply to stephen hawking. or are u, like nietzsche, going to explain how actually giving an argument for one's assertion is merely an appeal to "conscious faculties" that will not produce the "non-rational effect" an assertion must have, and so it is actually correct to not argue at all?
it is always funny when nonchristians visit us hoping to be recognized for their intellectual superiority due to having read literal high school level self-help books by the likes of nietzsche and sartre. i am sure u will tell urself we are just too dumb to understand ur argument (even though u did not make one) or philosophy (even though nietzsche is basically a self-help author whom most analytic philosophers are embarrassed to have their work associated with), and that there are simply not enough intelligent people in this world who can recognize ur hidden genius.
ee11a3 No.723689
>>723641
So, then live it. You're still here acting like some Evangelist Believing in Capital T Truth. If your atheism, is true then it really just doesn't matter. Cause at the end of the realization of coming to and if i accept this as *fact.* I come to realize that there are not such things *Truth*, *Absolutes*. It's just a Beautiful lie, and no amount of Squealing. As the endless void approaches, is going to make that any different. If Materialism is true.
2a721d No.723701
>>723270
>"Other vague modern people take refuge in material metaphors; in fact, this is the chief mark of vague modern people. Not daring to define their doctrine of what is good, they use physical figures of speech without stint or shame, and , what is worst of all, seem to think these cheap analogies are exquisitely spiritual and superior to the old morality. Thus they think it intellectual to talk about things being 'high.' It is at least the reverse of intellectual; it is a mere phrase from a steeple or a weathercock. 'Tommy was a good boy' is a pure philosophical statement, worthy of Plato or Aquinas. 'Tommy lived the higher life' is a gross metaphor from a ten-foot rule."
>"This, incidentally, is almost the whole weakness of Nietzsche, whom some are representing as a bold and strong thinker. No one will deny that he was a poetical and suggestive thinker; but he was quite the reverse of strong. He was not at all bold. He never put his own meaning before himself in bald abstract words: as did Aristotle and Calvin, and even Karl Marx, the hard, fearless men of thought. Nietzsche always escaped a question by a physical metaphor, like a cheery minor poet. He said, 'beyond good and evil,' because he had not the courage to say, 'more good than good and evil,' or, 'more evil than good and evil.' Had he faced his thought without metaphors, he would have seen that it was nonsense. So, when he describes his hero, he does not dare to say, 'the purer man,' or 'the happier man,' or 'the sadder man,' for all these are ideas; and ideas are alarming. He says 'the upper man.' or 'over man,' a physical metaphor from acrobats or alpine climbers. Nietzsche is truly a very timid thinker. He does not really know in the least what sort of man he wants evolution to produce."
f5c267 No.723864
>>723641
>Reddit spacing
Seriously?
>Christians are supposed to be meek and mild yet you're haughty, arrogant and egocentric.
Fedora detected
>Don't speak on subjects you know nothing about such as Nietzche and philosophy.
But people here know something of Nietzche. You're the only one here that did not give any grounds for your assertions.
Look man if you use reddit spacing, lecture Christians on how "meek they should be" nobody will take you seriously. Believe it or not we are able to understand philosophy and have every right to engage in it.
You're just larping as big brained fedora. Nobody is impressed it's just pathetic at this point.
8579df No.723867
>>723864
>You're the only one here that did not give any grounds for your assertions
The mark of a true Nietzschean.
1d9ec0 No.723869
>>723641
>you don't understand
>I know better
>you need to
>stop doing that
>shut up
Nice one, @jack
1db700 No.726099
possibly in heaven
not joking
the guy said some really interesting stuff when taking the atheistic worldview to its logical conclusion; his parable of the mad man who lit the lamp in the daytime illustrating how holding to a belief that god is dead meant that mankind now had a moral vacuum and had nothing to put in its place
but in later life, as he succumbed to the insanity; he was known to be constantly quoting scripture verses, and i think there's a possibility that this modern day nebuchadnezer may have made peace with God in his final hours
28e909 No.726106
>>726099
Quoting bible verses? do you have any sauce? i'm interested
250970 No.726122
Misunderstood and misrepresented too often by both sides: not my favourite philosopher, but not as bad as many tried to portray him
ee11a3 No.726174
>>726099
Hard to say. But if you really want the adult worldview of Atheism. This is it. Possibly next to hume. in fact, Nietzsche would probably be telling all of these online Skeptics to get out of his face. Cause they're just as bad as the Christians still acting like Evangelist. As for being in Heaven, God willing i hope. But we'll never know until our time has come.
087953 No.726185
>>726106
he quoted verses and during letters wrote dialogues between Dionysis and Christ
His work that God is Dead and there's basically nothing to replace it also speaks for itself (except the Overman, which is basically the Utopic-abilities Man)
b9d78f No.726236
>>723395
>>723356
Huh?
Can anyone give me a source on that
151184 No.726446
>>723270
A poor madman who thought too hard and too much, and was deprived of any love to heal him whether it is friendship, familial, or romantic. Lord have mercy upon his soul.
7518e8 No.726552
His critique of Christianity was correct but only of the type of pietistic Christianity that he was familiar with in Germany.
64fa21 No.726566
>>723270
Pretty cool guy who foresaw the crisis of European metaphysics.
Bane of soccer moms, just like rock music and anything remotely engaging for a young boy, and widely misunderstood both by overzealous critics and edge-lord teens alike. It's a shame he was plagued by ill health and died early. I would have liked to have seen what fruits of wisdom old age would have made ripe in him. But it was not meant to be.
6f4fce No.726574
I always hated nietszche when I've heard of him at a young age as oppose to other edgelords who find him appealing then I
6f4fce No.726575
>>726574
Knew about his illness
e0167f No.727289
>>723270
Radical post-modern subjectivist. Was lonely, shy, and withdrawn so resorted to larger than life internal abstractions in order to feed his own starved and prideful ego. Claimed to hate empathy and compassion for the weak yet had a mental breakdown when seeing a horse being thrashed. I think he seen the mercy of God's love in that moment and realized his whole philosophy was false which threw his already unstable mentality into a further mess resulting in a complete breakdown. Just my opinion. I've read all his major works.
c897cd No.727292
I gotta say…this is one of the best threads on a historical figure we had lately!
At least we are seeing different points of view and having a debate upon them, about him and his views.
Thanks, /christianons/, I truly am glad we can at times get together and have productive debates from which I can learn something new, truly I am glad :)
2a721d No.727319
>>726566
> would have liked to have seen what fruits of wisdom old age would have made ripe in him.
He'd probably teach us how to go insane and deliberately contract diseases from a prostitute in order to die
Oh wait
9c6b29 No.735789
>>723589
>Nietszche brought us to nihilism and socialism in society
Congrats on having the most retarded post in this entire thrrad
9c6b29 No.735791
69e6f9 No.735794
He's funny.
He got everything right the first thing.
God is in charge of Man, and can decree a Mans soul how ever he wants.
5e4cef No.735878
Someone I would seriously like to have a conversation with. He saw the void, that great maw, and knew mankind would meet it with apathy. He understood the death of God was something to mourn and lament, for without God mankind is like driftwood in that vast ocean of existence.
Nietzsche was right, he had come too early. Like >>726099 mentioned, I personally hope he found peace and would be willing to hold a conversation with me in the afterlife.
85ee15 No.735957
While Nietzsche was a great critic he was never able to give any answers or solve any problems. You can read his works and apply his ideas and insights to the world, but Nietzscheanism per se is silly and leads to stuff like postmodernism, Prometheanism, nihilism, etc.
2a721d No.735971
>>735789
facts are retarded? okay
8900b6 No.736011
>>735971
>Nietzsche is bad
Okay.
>Because he brought socialism and nihilism to society
Literally how?
e818e8 No.736031
>>723426
What is the genetic fallacy?
e76e18 No.736410
>>723641
Why do you nihilistic redditors always spout trash like this?