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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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894869  No.717072

Given:

1. Men are wicked inherently;

2. The world is going to end;

3. There's going to be a great apostasy;

4. Only God can save the world.

Isn't it mere hubris for a movement of men to try to save the world, or at least their nation?

ae1d61  No.717076

>>717072

>Isn't it mere hubris for a movement of men to try to save the world, or at least their nation?

it's noble and should be pursued, but yes ultimately it will be in vain. Even if your entire nation has a conversion experience and becomes 100% Christian overnight, it will probably degenerate within a few hundred years.

How Europe remained mostly Christian for 1,700 years before the enlightenment hit is beyond me


5d9c61  No.717083

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>Christ has conquered death itself

>we are invited to share in this victory through faith in Him

>the wicked will be punished and the faithful will inherit eternal life

>His kingdom will have no end

>"""""""""""""""""defeatist"""""""""""""""""


894869  No.717089

>>717083

Why do anything but wait for Heaven and preach to the lost? Why try to make positive change in the world?


465a58  No.717098

>>717089

In your fallen state yoi can't make a positive change. Bad trees beget bad fruit. But when we believe on Christ and are changed by the holy spirit we are renewed and become good and naturally bear good fruit according to the nature of the spirit who moves in us.


cd7e7e  No.717115

No. While Ecclesiastes is a blackpill of sorts, it also talks of the joys that God has given men. It is the desire of God that men have joy in their lives, even if life itself can be bleak.


f10f94  No.717120

>>717072

A fair and honest question, thank you for asking.

The answer on my heart is this: I don't want this world to be saved. It should pass away for something better. That answers the first part of your question.

The second is more complicated. A "nation" is essentially the same thing as a "race," and it has that very meaning in the Latin "natio" (which "nation" comes from), the Greek "genos" (from which we get the words "gene" and "geneology"), and the Hebrew "goy" (which is misused all time to mean something it does not.) All of these are Biblically used in the sense of "race." So a nation is made up of a kindred people who have a common ancestor and is not restrained by which land they live on.

I believe your nation is to continue into the kingdom irregardless, though the land doesn't much matter. So this might seem to lead us to the conclusion that you are correct on this point, that it is hubris to try to save your race.

But what I suspect is that you don't actually mean saving every single individual of your race. I suppose what you mean is saving those of your race who are actually worthy of being saved, which in my opinion, is not hubris, because it's not your nation solely as a nation you care about, nor even the numbers, but your potential, and actual faithful brothers and sisters, extended though they may be, that you care about. And they need help, so lay off on the black pills, anon. Help the individuals and small groups that matter to you, and treat them like you want to be treated. Even a kind word on the chan can do wonders. I had a very bad comment as the first response to my first post here. But before I decided to just leave this place, another commenter responded in a Christian fashion, two actually.

"And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward."


f04e22  No.717121

>>717089

>Why try to make positive change in the world?

"For even as the body without the spirit is dead; so also faith without works is dead."

Therefore, without making (or, in the very least, attempting to make) a "positive change" salvation is impossible, and waiting will be for nothing.


894869  No.717133

>>717121

Even if I accept that that verse deals with salvation, which is hotly contested, isn't not sinning and giving to the poor enough to satisfy "works"? Why try to make positive political change in your nation/the world?


a54f72  No.717136

>>717133

If you can and are able do a good deed, why wouldn't you?


6f3c28  No.717138

>>717072

>1. Men are wicked inherently;

men are also inherently made in image of God and Jesus assumed human nature.

>2. The world is going to end;

world is going to be renewed, all shall be raised from the dead and devil will be thrown in a massive trash can.

>3. There's going to be a great apostasy;

thats just an objective fact. Just look at Europe right now

>4. Only God can save the world.

…And? Whats wrong here?


33714d  No.717155

>>717072

If your vocation is to retire yourself and pray for the world do it, if your vocation is trying to do something according to the Commandments do it.


193324  No.717156

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Christianity is actually the most heroic doctrine of all ages if you really get what it means

What is christianiTY? It's God giving his only son for the world so that everyone who believes in him gets to be saved.

But saved from what?

The world. The fallen world where millions of human souls have been trapped, are trapped and will be trapped.

You have been invited by God himself to take part of his banquet that will come but remember this :

"many are called but few are chosen"

So "believing in christ to be saved" means a complete transformation of yourself, dying before you die, to keep God's commandements as much as you can and refining your faith until it's as bright as gold.

Once you achieve that you have nothing to fear and you can face the worst persecutions in the name of Love. Humble yourself and think of the martyrs. How many of us would have renied christ, in tongue only, just for the torture in end, yet they did nothing, they didn't even speak for they were unbrekable.

Create for you, with God's help, an unbreakable soul.


1f5ded  No.717227

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>>717072

>Men are wicked inherently;

Men are inclined to doing evil through original sin and the mental and constitutional weaknesses it comprises, but there is nothing inevitable about any of it. It is just as correct to say that men are inherently good, because their intentions are always directed at what they perceive to be good acts, only such acts are never actually always good. It's an important distinction because certain Gnostics and other groups (e.g. some Protestants) maintain that the entire created order is purely evil, and only the spirit is good. This is in direct contradiction to actual Christian doctrine.

>Isn't it mere hubris for a movement of men to try to save the world, or at least their nation?

The earth is not our home, it never has been. It's simply a way station. It is souls that need to be saved, not the world. Our most important concern, however, is to save our own souls, which is well within our power to do. Part of this is done by faithfully carrying out our duties. We are always to do our best and always to do the good. Let what happens beyond our small circle of influence happen. Because the object of his efforts is *always* true and good, the faithful Christian is *always* ahead and still, at every moment, advancing ever more.


c0816b  No.717238

>>717133

This is a religion about love, not Talmudist Lawyering and cold math. If someone adheres to the logic presented in the OP and in this post, they're going to hell.


5e6531  No.717286

Everything except salvation is a distraction.


85ef76  No.718643

>>717072

>Is Christ's ultimately overcoming the death - both spiritual and physical for all people of all ages defeatist?

>Is therefore standing on the side that ultimately wins in the ultimate struggle good vs evil inherently defeatist?

>(((((((((((((((((((((((defeatism))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Cringe.




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