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>>656385

>God is present in all places and filling all things

God's essence, yes. Everything that exists is 'held together' by God's essence.

>But extra present here in this Eucharistic host/this burning bush/this man Christ Jesus

As for the host, it's called transubstantiation. It has an appearance of bread and wine, but the substance is Christ's body. The burning bush is the Holy Ghost.

>>656393

The burning bush was simply an angel of the lord, as was basically everything in the Old Testament. Go read what St. Stephen had to say on the matter in Acts.

>>656385

In the beginning, there was God the Father, the Word of God, and the Spirit of God. There are several times in the Old Testament when he sent and angel to speak to someone, but they spoke as if they were God themselves. I assume these angels to be the Word of God, as they often take an instructional role, such as with the Burning Bush.

Jesus Christ was not just a man set up to be the messiah by God. He was and is the Word of God made flesh, sent to be a messenger and saviour to mankind. When Jesus calls Himself the Son of God, He means it.

>>656394

no, it is clearly stated that Moses spoke to God face-to-face.

>>656394

>>656406

Also

The Angel of The LORD in OT is pre-incarnation Jesus (as he ascribes divine characteristics to himself). "Angel" here means messanger and not as a species.

>>656385

Your understanding of God is too narrow, He is not separate from everything/everyone around us/in the world rather God IS everything.

God is eternal but more than that God is ETERNITY, if you could put eternity in a box God is also the box. Our understanding of God is limited by the confines of time and space, we fail to recognize that God exists outside of time and space - indeed, time and space are as much a part of creation as plants and animals, water and land.

Listen to these two lessons from Stuart Briscoe, his explanation of who God is is probably the best I've ever heard any pastor make. Sorry in advance for the ads/begging but I haven't found the complete sermon yet.

https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Weekday/Telling-the-Truth/Episodes/Telling-the-Truth2124

https://www.premierchristianradio.com/Shows/Weekday/Telling-the-Truth/Episodes/Telling-the-Truth2127

Watching this vid might also help you figure out the concept of us all and everything being one.

https://youtu.be/3uGgPACZI3Q

>>656417

Because creation is not part of God.

>>656385

What does the man-emperor of mankind have to do with this?

>>656443

pic unrelated perhaps?

also, my manly man-peror is just too fabulous to not to be posted I guess

>>656417

check out the distinction between panentheism and pantheism. phoneposting right now, will try and remember to post helpful image later

>>656488

>God changes

>>656488

>>656417

Thanks, but that's not what I was asking, I understand the difference between pantheism and panentheism (at least at babby's fisher price my first kinda level*), I meant how is what the anon wrote, which was supposedly about the Christian God who's normally described in terms of 'classical theism' (described as such here for the purposes of contrasting to both these pan-isms, which are associated with the eastern religions and vdery different to the traditionally held western/Christian concpetions of God), different from these pan-isms that that anon was going on about..that was probably poorly phrased, but essientially:

Anon

>God is like this *described pantheistic or panentheistic being/force/principle*

Me

<I thought you were supposed to be talking about the God of the bible *association with classical theism intensifies*

>yah I am *continues to ascribe pantheistic/panentheistic theology to God of the bible*

<:/

>>656437

That's my point, I was provoking the question due to what >>656414 implied when he posted

>He is not separate from everything/everyone around us/in the world rather God IS everything.

which goes against the traditional notions of God from a Christian/Abrahamic/Western thestic approach

*I know there's a 'weak panentheism' that is sometimes referenced with regard to sometimes bring in and relates to the 'essence/energies' distinction in Eastern Orthodox (Palamas?) theology, but again afaik it's only one approach among many and is not dogma/as strictly defined/dogmatised as it has been in the west with classisical theism.

>>656748

According to this summary of panentheism, yes, but the full version of this pic also has 'theism' which would describe the God we (you) are more familiar with as Christians (also there are heretical Christians who believe in 'open theism' which is God making it up as he goes along, not sure if this is included in the full infographic though). I've not come across the fact that God changes in other definitions of panentheism, though. Otherways I've heard them distinguished is that pantheism is where the universe is God, including his head/mind whereas panentheism says the universe is God's body (and so part of God but not God in his totality - maybe this is where essence and energies distinction comes in with the Orthodogs/Palamas idk I b n00b)