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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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f336dd No.654757

How did Western Christianity come to focus so much on going to Heaven when your body dies, instead of focusing on the Second Coming, Resurrection, and New Earth? Today most Christians in the West claim that the entire point of a relationship with God and salvation is about your inward self going off to the spiritual realm when your body dies. But when I read the scriptures, there isn't so much of this in there. The focus of Jesus's preaching and Paul's letters is the future world that will replace this world when God judges this world righteously. Paul talks of those asleep in Christ who are waiting for the resurrection and glorification of their bodies. Of course he says when he dies he will be with the Messiah but that isn't his focus at all. Christians today act as though once you find salvation and peace with God, and your body dies, you've won the race and that's it. That's the whole point is to escape this realm to live in a spiritual state forevermore. Why did this happen? Why do people more or less neglect the resurrection and the new earth that is to come in the future? This also ties in with the rapture theory, that when Jesus returns, the righteous bodies will be snatched up into the spiritual realm forever (where their souls already are) to live forever while the physical universe is utterly abandoned & destroyed. This makes no sense to me. Why would you hope for a resurrection if you think your risen body is merely going to fly off into the sky forever where your soul already is? What's the benefit of having a body in a purely spiritual realm?

b0033c No.654760

>How did Western Christianity come to focus so much on going to Heaven when your body dies, instead of focusing on the Second Coming, Resurrection, and New Earth?

And? Yes, there needs to be more focus on the second resurrection and new creation, but why does that mean removing the intermediate state?

>But when I read the scriptures, there isn't so much of this in there.

Like the Sadducees of a passage I'm studying intently, you neither know the power of God nor Scripture.

>Paul talks of those asleep

From outward appearance. This says nothing about the current state of the physically deceased's consciousness.

>. Christians today act as though once you find salvation and peace with God, and your body dies, you've won the race and that's it.

That's an issue that involves more than just eschatology, so using yours, even if correct, will not fix that attitude.

>This also ties in with the rapture theory,

That's a different topic entirely, irrelevant to the intermediate state of a person or the nature of the third Heaven. But yes, dispensationalism has been destructive to evangelical Christianity, especially in America.

>the righteous bodies will be snatched up into the spiritual realm forever (where their souls already are) to live forever while the physical universe is utterly abandoned & destroyed.

That's not what futurists believe. The rapture is a pre-Tribulation (i'm a post-millennial, orthodox preterist btw) event where the dead saints are risen from the dead and Christian who are alive at the given time are raptured with those now reembodied saints into heaven or wherever Christ wants to meet this group. It's basically the resurrection before the resurrection. Also, if you are physically alive, your soul and body composite, your soul will not be somewhere where your body isn't unless you die.

>What's the benefit of having a body in a purely spiritual realm?

That's a good question to ask the now bodily-risen Christ who sits on the right hand of the Father.


952b00 No.654762

>>654757

>How did Western Christianity come to focus so much on going to Heaven when your body dies, instead of focusing on the Second Coming, Resurrection, and New Earth?

Because of pre-trib rapture.

>This also ties in with the rapture theory, that when Jesus returns, the righteous bodies will be snatched up into the spiritual realm forever (where their souls already are) to live forever while the physical universe is utterly abandoned & destroyed. This makes no sense to me.

Yep, me either. I think it's because people abandoned the Bible for the more comfortable theologies of Scofield. It doesn't mesh well with the millenium, so they don't like to talk about that much.


b0033c No.654763

You need to understand this: most of your concerns can be reduced down to one diagnosis, the church adapting worldly, godless philosophies especially Aristotelian and Platonic metaphysics contrary to Paul's warnings in Colossians 2:8 and 1 Tim. 6:20. I will agree with you that the anti-materialism has done great damage, which not even the evangelical Reformed churches have fully recovered from.


f336dd No.654786

>>654760

I said nothing about removing the intermediate state, only that many act as though it's the final state.

Describing them as "asleep" actually says a lot when modern Christians would rarely ever use that term to describe a bodily dead Christian, they instead act as though they're living gleefully forever in gloryland.

The rapture ties directly into the afterlife and resurrection topics. If our (dead, then risen from the grave) bodies are snatched away into pure spiritual essence forever then what's the point of it? Our souls are already there and doing quite well, according to many. They describe the spiritual Heaven using bodily, physical terms as though we have bodies in Heaven before being risen.

Christ ascended bodily because he had to go away, according to his own words. He is ruling and providing intercession for us with the Father. He is going to descend again to establish his Kingdom.


721ac6 No.654790

>>654762

>pre-trib rapture's fault

Doesn't make sense, Catholics seem just as focused on the 'go to heaven when your body dies' thing and just as likely to minimize the importance of the resurrection, millennial reign, new bodies, etc. And they don't believe pre-trib rapture.


b274b5 No.654849

I don't understand the problem. OP you sound like a smart teenager stunned to find out that different people sometimes like to emphasize different truths


952b00 No.654874

>>654790

Hmm, I don't know on that one. If you're not a futurist, that precedent allows a lot of things gets retarded very quick, you can just make whatever you want be a metaphor. Honestly it wasn't even a consideration in my mind.

>>654849

No, this is a real concern. I have similar thoughts on this as well. Widescale, people are downplaying the judgement and reigning aspect of it. It's like they are very conflict-averse.

I guess that's how the One World Religion will fancy itself. Peace, tolerance, acceptance, the modern version of "love," all things like that. But then under the rug, there are abortions going on.


98d9c6 No.654966

>>654760

>your brain on preterism




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