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My prayers are for each and every one of you. I've gone through an episode of my life where I've felt total despair and depression. I know what that sinking pit feels like, that emptiness deep in your heart that doesn't easily go away. Hang in there.

A time to weep, and a time to laugh. A time to mourn, and a time to dance. (Ecclesiastes 3:4)

>>643491

>>643488

Any other good verses for this?

>>643488

I made a post about this in the prayer requests thread a while back, and in the interest of time, I'll just link it here instead of making it all over again, or reiterating it. >>636583

Ah winnie the pooh, i would've just posted in here but i made a thread about being an alcoholic. I can't help it. I feel like i'm mentall ill.

>>643542

Please dont push him out of your life because of his faults. we all have faults. love is the answer, i think… but do not be like my brother and disown him. He has his reasons i'm sure. God Bless you.

>>643542

winnie the pooh. lol I love you mods. thanks, this has made my day, the word filters. It's a great idea for this board. thanks guys.

I was sexually abused by my babysitter when I was 10 but it started at 7 and grew with problems.

I don't like saying that I'm a Christian, even though I defend my religion disguise as a secular history buff, because of my paranoid behaviour and I fear that normies might think of me as an example of a traumatised crazy Christian fundie.

>>643570

>caring what normies think

Just stop that anon. Normies are scum. Us as Christians shouldn't care about them we should only care about what God thinks of us. So feel no shame in your faith anon.

I stopped being an alchoholic a year ago. I’ve been trying to maintain some financial stability since my roommate stopped working but it’s hard. I started getting night terrors of me shooting myself with a bolt action rifle. And it’s difficult because I get mood swings too that make me think my life isn’t worth living. I don’t know why because I have my own apartment and a car. Why do I get these insane thoughts all the time. I’m trying to become a catholic soon. Sorry for that insane rant but I needed to vent.

>>643564

>However I'm wondering if this is just a gamble and I still have doubts that this will help me completely

Just try it and move on if it fails.

Christ, some pople are so afraid of failure it dazzles me.

And they seem to be increasing in number.

>>643642

I was always afraid of failure

I have one of the worst, bipolar disorder. I'm pretty sure undiagnosed something else lads. At least i have beauty and the passion and talent for art and creativity on my side. Because I'm going to fail at a conventional job lol

How do music industry go

>>643986

>Paranoia about communists in the English government

You're not wrong, also, saved

>>644273

> Literally calling scripture retarded

> Taking the Lord's name in vain

I'm going to take your advice seriously and start by getting angry at YOU for being an unrepentant heathen. You, like, me, are doomed without Christ. Shut your mouth if you're going to dishonor God.

>>644273

I agree to a certain extend. That is to say, you're wrong when you say putting your hope in God is retarded. It's the very foundation of everything we do (or should be doing in a healthy society). BUT you're right in that God won't just come over, magically fix people's brains and physiques and then they're the pinnacle of humanity.

First of all people need to get angry at themselves, in that you're right. But the consequence must be to not only move yourself, but ask God unceasingly to help you in prayer and contemplation. With Christ, everything is possible, but without Him nothing it possible. That's the gist of it all. And receive the holy Eucharist regularly if you're Catholic or ortho.

Pray for help while offering your struggles as sacrifice, and in your anger at your self-neglecting self, get moving, get uncomfortable and become the man (or woman in case you're no male but we all know there're no women on the internet so jokes on me :^) God wants you to be so you can do His will.

Oh and one thing: Don't swear or take the Lord's name in vain.

>>644286

>>644288

He's the motivational schizo from /kc/

>>644184

All those mind altering substances. Good lord.

>depressed, no motivation, feel like killing myself

>spending all day in front of a computer

>go for a half hour run

>suddenly feel back to normal

It was that easy… I pray you lads can find the thing thats causing you to feel like that

>>644598

Have you tried going back to reddit?

I hear they miss you alot.

>>644600

Stop derailing the thread by acknowledging the fedora troll

>>644596

Don't cast your perils before swine, it's just some guy fishing for (Yous).

>>644627

>Comes into thread full of mentally vulnerable people of various stages.

>On surface level, seems to be pulling the old "drill sergeant you out of your depression" routine. (which only sometimes works on those not in a deep chemical/biological level of depression.)

>In reality, is thinly disguised finding of a group of vulnerable Christians in a weakened state to feel smug and superior to and lord over to prop up his own narcissistic vanity and "confidence" in his "gods."

>Ironically the pride and impotent anger that his posts drip with are a perfect reflection of the unmerciful demons he actually worships. Who are also laughing there butts off at him as he does their dirty work, and the only reward he will have is torment at the hands of the very "gods" he worships, who played him like a tool.

<while I do the right thing for mine all the time

I used to be part of your false cult, and even I remember that there was no honor to be gained from preying on the weak or those in a weakened state. So you fail at even that.

As said before, it's pretty telling that you are not pulling these antics in another thread full of Christians in a good state of mind. (who routinely run roughshod over your "everything ever is crypto-pagan" tomfoolery) You specifically found a thread full of those at the end of their rope to essentially do your little dance while singing "Nah! Nah! My "gods" are better than your God!" Which really belies the pathetic state of your "gods" and your religion.

I will pray for you. God help you, you have no idea of the kind of danger you are in.

>>645443

Gonna need more details about the nature of your manic episodes before we can really try to help.

Off the cuff: this seems like an issue more for a medical professional to attempt to handle than another fellow anonymous image board poster.

>>645443

I know what its like dealing with anxiety, just know that God loves you, and so do we anon. Read some Psalms over a glass of milk tonight, and try to spend some time in the sun tomorrow.

Try to write down some of the thoughts that trigger your attacks. You don't have to post them(unless you want to) just write them out for yourself, and try to work through how each of those thoughts relates to your status as a child of God. Memorize some scriptures to remind yourself of this blessedness, and rehearse them when you feel an attack is coming. It won't be easy, but if you saturate yourself in God's Love for you daily then you'll begin to recover.

I'm adhd sometimes I randomly get a stiffy during mass and I can't say a prayer coherently at all. I hate communal prayer because I can't really get into it, I'm restless. It's all a mess in my head. Is this normal?

>>645443

Sounds like a stroke

>>645481

I'm depressed and adhd. The restlessness is insane. I thank God for suffering because it thickens my skin and makes the good times better by comparison.

>>644671

>I will pray for you. God help you, you have no idea of the kind of danger you are in.

I certainly am not in the danger of killing myself like a faggot, unlike some of the enlightened people in here.

>I used to be part of your false cult, and even I remember that there was no honor to be gained from preying on the weak or those in a weakened state.

Oh, were you now?

Name the three local low German dialects of my region, then.

What? Don't know them?

Why not? Do you think my "cult" is some world wide global bullshit any old loser can just larp about?

Heathenism is localized, hence no missionaries being needed or helpful.

>>645611

>Name the three local low German dialects of my region, then.

Furthermore, what is this month known for regarding some members of the animal kingdom.

Should be easy for you to answer since you were part of the club here.

Right?

You're not just trying to do some false witness bullshit again like most heaven idolaters, are you?

>>645611

Ah, I remember you now. You're the guy parroting the "Wimp-Lo" argument from way back.

>Oh, were you now?

>Name the three local low German dialects of my region, then.

>What? Don't know them?

>Why not? Do you think my "cult" is some world wide global bullshit any old loser can just larp about?

>Furthermore, what is this month known for regarding some members of the animal kingdom.

>Should be easy for you to answer since you were part of the club here.

>Right?

>You're not just trying to do some false witness bullshit again like most heaven idolaters, are you?

Lol, you're almost right. Paganism does have it's regional differences, and I imagine the North American kindred I was a part of differed in many ways to your German equivalent. Yet, when you compare pagan tribes on a global scale, it's ultimately a narcissism of small differences when you consider how much they had in common: Sacrificing to glorified vending machine "gods" (including children, whether it be the Baal and Molech worshipping Caananites of the Middle East, or the Vikings of the north: https://www.realclearscience.com/articles/2014/12/02/child_sacrifice_and_other_viking_activities_108967.html ), a focus on the material to the point of thinking "gods" cared about man made toys, and that such pagans thought they could take such toys with them into the afterlife. A focus on fleeting earthly status and fame being an ultimate goal. Yeah, y'all may wear different costumes and speak in different tongues, but you're not as special and unique as the ethnic/tribal idolatry that y'all also have in common leads you to believe.

Yet, you're also all a paradox at the same time. All the pagan subsets have so much in common… including, ironically, a moral relativity on par with modernism/post-modernism. Sure, Tacitus noted that some tribes drowned homosexuals in bogs, but there were also Northern pagans more than happy to practice "prison rules" style homosexuality:

http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/gayvik.shtml

>Being used homosexually by another man was equated with cowardice because of the custom of sexual aggression against vanquished foes. This practice is documented in Sturlunga saga, most notably in Guðmundar saga dýra where Guðmundr takes captive a man and his wife, and plans for both the woman and the man to be raped as a means of sexual humiliation (Ok var þat við orð at leggja Þórunni í rekkju hjá einhverjum gárungi, en gera þat vi Bjôrn prest, at þat þætti eigi minni svívirðing.) (Sørenson 82, 111; Sturlunga saga, I, 201).

>Gay Prostitution

>Other evidences of the acceptance of homosexuality in some circumstances at least is provided by the fact that apparently there were some men who acted as homosexual concubines or prostitutes. Olkofra þáttr, a short tale preserved in the manuscript Moðruvallabók (ca. mid 14th century C.E.) preserves the term argaskattr, which has the sense of "a fixed rate or other payment made to an argr man for his sexual performance" and further indicates that the worth of such a payment was very low indeed. (Sørenson, 34-35).

>It would be logical to conclude that, like other concubines, these men selling sex to other men would have been of the lowest social class, thralls (Karras).

And don't even get me started on the rampant homosexuality and pedophilia in Mediterranean paganism.

I remember one indigenous pagan tribe being asked what they thought of a neighboring tribe's origin mythology being so different, with their answer essentially being "both are equally valid."

And that's the sad truth of it all. You pagans truly are LARPers. You're essentially nihilists LARPing as theists.

In your sacrifices to your gods (both in terms of said sacrifices and what you ask for), and your materialism and pursuit of worldly happiness through fame and fortune, you belie an underlying belief that the physical world is all that really matters, with your so-called afterlifes being nothing more than glorified footnotes.

Married to this, is your moral relativism, that in contrast to theism, belies a lack of belief in an absolute moral universal truth that can only come from a one true God. Your "morals" extending only as far as the borders of your tribes. Sure, the Vikings that you pagans tend to idolize somewhat tried to adhere to somewhat of a morality amongst themselves. But they had no problems with attacking, pillaging and raping those outside of themselves, including selling other Europeans to Muslims for cash. Your gods, throughout the pagan spectrum, in terms of morality tend to run the gamut from having a utilitarian, at best, relationship with mankind, to being outright sociopathic at worst.

>>645829

(cont'd)

Correction: not just utilitarian or sociopathic, but at times even outright apathetic. The high"gods" in Northern paganism only cared about kings and heroes on a personal level (same with the Greeks.). Everyone else either relied on "land spirits" or whatever scraps and leftovers they could get during tribal sacrifices. That's one of the real reasons why you promoted a "motivate and take care of yourself/drill sergeant" approach to "treating depression." Because, unless you are a king, hero or other likewise man of renown, your "gods" literally do not care about you. They will never truly give you the Love you crave on a deep down soul level.

You have "gods" and yet your worldview and the way you live and approach life indicate they might as well not even exist. Heck, you pagans can't even agree on the very nature of your "gods." I remember an adage I heard quite often during my time as one of you: "Ask five pagans the nature of their gods, and you'll get five different answers." Some will say they are literal spiritual beings. Some say they are Jungian archetypes. Some say they are metaphors for processes of life and nature. Some say they are deified ancestors. Some say they are glorified mascots of their respective cultures for the purpose of cultural instruction and preservation through storytelling. Some say they are tulpas/egregores that people prayed to and believed in hard enough to essentially "create" into existence.

"But this is liberty!" you say. "One rule for the Ox and the Raven is tyranny!" No. This is confusion and a lack of real universal faith. Just a bunch of people believing whatever makes them feel comfortable enough. And none of the aforementioned interpretations of these so called "gods" indicates a real, true, absolute, unoriginate Lord of the Universe.

Materialism.

Moral Relativity.

"gods" that are whatever you feel like they can or should be at the moment and might as well be non-existent in terms of the way you approach your lives, making you atheists with spiritual-esque window dressing.

You're just a bunch of people making up crap to give you some semblance of meaning while remaining flexible enough to do whatever the heck you want.

In other words, nihilists.

>>645830

(cont'd)

This is why I pray for you, and hope you come to your sense and come to the true love of the One, True, God.

>>643542

>>645845

Oh and I'll pray for you today, forgot to mention that

>>645845

Have you considered treating your mother like one who is not in full possession of her mental faculties? A child, basically, because that's what she is.

>>643488

Pax fratres. Firstly if you are not Catholic, become or you cannot attain happiness.

Secondly your depression and anxiety is most likely the result of hypothyroidism which can easily be cured by supplementing your diet with 1 litre of skim milk and 1 - 2 litres of on and 4 cups of coffee a day. Avoid all poly unsaturated fat, try to avoid starch and consume as much protein, sugar and saturated fat as you can from animal and fruit juice sources. Get as much sunlight as you can. Learn more about the work of Dr Ray Peat.

Say goodbye to depression

>>643488

Also you will never stop suffering from depression unless you completely renounce porn and masturbation

>>645872

>blueballs

Wouldn't nocturnal emissions just get rid of the excess semen in your balls anyway?

>>643488

try gluten free and casein free

many people notice a difference in their mental symptoms

>>645872

Stop being effeminate and deceiving yourself. Do you want to inherit the kingdom of heaven or do you want to rub your penis? Choose one. Blue balls goes away. If you have pain then deal with it. But blue is always caused by stimulation, so stop and avoid stimulation.

>>645868

I meant to say oj not on. Orange juce. Organic Freshly squeezed is best.

read the Stoics brothers. changed me from being in a permanent state of dread and depression to almost mental invincibility. stop being at the mercy of your thoughts, realize your must arbiter over them and allow only those that are useful.

>>646118

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+17%3A18-34&version=KJV

>>646135

>All men die, but what never dies is honor (aka reputation) the deeds of the dead, etc.

Can you remember that particularly honorable Aztec warrior that raised 2 great sons, of which one became king later on, before he died in a war against another influential tribe - his death secured the victory in that war as he was able to fatally wound the king of the other tribe ? Yeah me neither. Pure delusion.

You see, you're just being an idiot here. Fine, you got a point regarding depressive people needing to get their asses up and act. But all the rest, your faggy reddit spacing, the way you're talking about God and Christ on a Christian board, the way you are cussing and swearing nonstop - it makes you huge faggot. Consider leaving this board, you're just derailing threads again and again with your delusions and you utter inability to act like a compassionate person.

>>646135

Look buddy, if you want to post your insane and poorly formatted ramblings, do it in your own thread. I have zero interest in engaging with your nonsense here.

>>646159

You're sitting on a dunghill throwing feces. There's literally no point in arguing with you. You have no real beliefs with which to attack. You have no standards that I can critique.

>>646135

>>646073

>I could waste my time repeating everything wrong you are saying but...

No, you have nothing to respond with, except childish insults:

>Who is one of the few true idiots I have come across here.

because you know it is the truth. I'm sorry that the truth hurts you this much. The Edda derived "Kinsman die, cattle die, reputation and fame is everything" quote is evidence of exactly what I said.

>I'm also not a damn viking.

Even though you just used said viking quote. Either you are a viking LARPer or you used it because you are unwittingly acknowledging the universality of paganism by using that quote, since it can be applied to just about any other form of paganism on the face of the earth. Which is why you used it in the first place.

>Nihilism is the opposite of what I believe in.

You believe in whatever your particular microtribe made up according to their fallen human nature (hence the universality among pagans) along with whatever particularisms came about in your region.

You believe in something that is clearly a completely human made attempt to create meaning in life. Nihilism.

>I literally believe in something that has been tried to be stamped out for over 2000 years.

Being reduced to fringe cults started by college professors and academicians with too much time on their hands cobbling together something that barely resembles the original worldviews from Christian recorded mythology and some archaeological scraps that consist of groups of 10 people or less tops and are constantly infighting and splitting up; Marvel comics and movies; dead leftover superstitions; and a few small holdover cults in Europe that don't even matter, is pretty thoroughly stomped out.

And that's just the so-called "real"/"conservative" pagans.

99% of modern pagans are hippies LARPing for debauchery and LGBT rights. (Google up images of "Stonehenge Celebrations.")

But please, keep spitting out your obscure trivia from "Jeopardy: pagan edition" to prove me wrong, since that's literally the only semblance of an argument you have shown thus far.

>well chemistry is worldly so how the hell would praying help. It wouldn't.

That there are people who have particular brain chemistry induced depression that can't be just "jogged away" is common sense. Praying for God's help in finding the right doctor and medicine, while on the search for said doctor and medicine, is also common sense in this case.

The Christian life is man's freewill working in concert with God's will, not just prayer alone.

>"And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works. Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?"

>-James 2:16-20 KJV

Like most pagans who are angry at God, you have an ignorant distorted view of Christian Theology. The Theodist, Garman Lord (whose particular subset of Anglo-Saxon pagan revivalism has faded into complete obscurity like most do) tried to conflate Christianity with the world-rejection and passivity of Buddhism and Far-East religions in his work "The Way of the Heathen: A Handbook of Greater Theodism." Traditional Christianity preaches engagement with the world to complete one's mission from God, along with the fact that physical reality is not illusion or vanity, but is something that God said was good when he created it in Genesis, and only became corrupted by man's sin, and will be made whole again by God in the end.

I pray to God you come to common sense as well.

>>646140

Reread your own post, the pot is calling the kettle black.

>>646118

It was certainly helpful and definitely changed some viewpoints but didn't really change me to "mental invincibility"

>>643488

IDK if it would help you guys, but try "adopting" an older Christian woman who would not mind a "spiritual brother", as that helped to manage my depression and fix my sleep disorder.

I did this in 2015, as I didn't have any sisters and I'm estranged from my mother and so I wanted to see what having one felt like. I told this Christian lady in her 40's (i'm 30) that I would occasionally talk with that I would like her to become my "sister", she was hesitant at first but after my dog died she wanted to console me and agreed. We've had a very strong brother/sister friendship since then, which made me happy enough that I was able to fix my sleep disorder and manage my depression.

But doing this is especially helpful if you have neither a fulfilling sister or mother (just don't at any point try to turn it sexual), though I do say don't try to project a mother as that places too much pressure on a person. Nonetheless it's nice to feel like (or pretend) that a person is family. I think that's just what a lot of people with depression are lacking, someone that feels like family.

Now I'm accomplishing goals and have discipline for the first time in my life, my sleep disorder has gone away, and now I can finally sleep regularly on a set schedule. It's kind of like the opening scene of fight club really. I'd say nowadays there are probably a lot of lonely Christian women in their 40's that would love a brother/sister type relationship with someone, so if that had helped to fix me it can probably help others… just don't try to get "something more" because that changes the relationship type.

I think I have schizophrenia. I was diagnosed with psychosis after I suddenly became religious and started seeing shadows of people out the corners of my eyes. At times I would hear the church choir unintelligibly singing, very quietly at least. My phone's GPS voice would babble at me at random times, too.

The hallucinations are gone now that I'm on medication. I can't remember the last strange thing I've seen or heard. And yet, the spirituality persists. There's one question that always keeps me coming back to Christianity: What happened 2,000 years in Israel? There's no reasonable explanation except something that's utterly and completely impossible to the atheist worldview I've held for years. I still don't know for sure how much my illness is influencing my religious beliefs.

The more I pray for the truth, and for the people around me, the more I find myself following a Christian path in life. I can only hope that one day I find that truth.

>>646439

I like you. I had visions as a child, and now that I've grown up I've been seeing spirits who led me to scripture and research proving to me all the outlandish information in my visions is true and everything I was taught is a lie or a falsehood taught by someone naive. But I can't talk about it with anyone because even if I show research they get outraged due to them having to acknowledge the zeitgeist is incorrect. It's driving me insane having no one to talk to about it. I wish I had a community where I could talk about topics more taboo than Tobit 4:12

How can anyone say they're depressed here? I mean, who has time to feel bored and disaffected while they're in the midst of spiritual warfare? Every moment would be dread or joy for you, if you really appreciated what is at stake.

>>644163

>Pagan past

Who has a "pagan past" these days?

>>643488

Pray for me everybody.

>>646600

That's some terrible advice. ITs not "just a test" because a failing grade is unthinkable.

>>646634

the test giver is a good guy, he won't let anything bad happen to you in the end, he's not a monster

I suffered dp/dr (depersonalization/derealization) over many years, with extreme existential anxiety and panic attacks.

I had so thoroughly rejected God that only this extreme suffering could bring me back to Him. So in retrospect I consider that hell I endured to have been a profound gift.

>>646439

You're right, there is no reasonable explanation. And even if there were ultra HD documentary footage of the events, it would absolutely not convince most atheists. Take an atheist back 2000 years and have them witness the events with their own eyes and they would sooner accept a schizophrenia diagnosis (or suggest that Jesus was an extraterrestrial with technology indistinguishable from magic) than accept that Jesus was who he said he was.

>>646654

And so it it written luke 16:27-31

>Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:

>For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

>Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

>And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

>And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Also mental illnesses are a fake kike made up series of social designations to shame people who go against being soyboy faggots or that speak the truth. Stop accepting what men say over what the Bible says. Mental illness is not biblical, only demon possession is.

>>646655

yeah, let's just ignore all the people actually involved with exorcism who say that mental illness exists.

this is a great argument too

"The KJV has an accurate rendering of Matthew 4:24, in which we learn that Jesus’ “fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.” That’s a neat threefold distinction between those whose diseases and torments are spiritual (daimonizomai, those tormented by demons) mental (selēniazomai, lunatics / the mentally ill) or physical (paralytikos, paralytics). In other words, Jesus is healing the soul, the mind, and the body.

This is a good reminder that the ancient world did get the difference between demonic possession, mental illness, and physical afflictions, even if they didn’t understand exactly what caused the latter two. Not every case that looks demonic is. It might be mental illness. But just as two different illnesses might have similar symptoms, the same is true here. Some physical cases look like mental, some mental cases look spiritual, etc. So just because some people who seem to be possessed are just mentally ill, it doesn’t follow that therefore all people who seem to be possessed are just mentally ill. The ancients actually got this better than many of their modern critics."

http://shamelesspopery.com/are-exorcists-biblical/

scripture seems to acknowledge mental illness, why don't you?

>>646659

<scripture seems to acknowledge mental illness, why don't you?

>seems

No scripture acknowledges there are lunaticks in matthew 4:24, which has a dictionary defintion at https://archive.fo/HhqeR https://archive.fo/HhqeR which is

>A person affected by insanity, supposed to be influenced or produced by the moon, or by its position in its orbit; a madman.

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. Mental illness' as defined in the DSM III/IV/V are bullshit and not mentioned in the Bible whatsoever. Actually there's some illnesses that classify being "too religious" as a mental illness in the DSM V. Look it up you kike.

<yeah, let's just ignore all the people actually involved with exorcism who say that mental illness exists.

Yes indeed, God makes special mention of exorcists and why you ought not to do that in acts 19:13-17

>Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.

>And there were seven sons of one Sceva, a Jew, and chief of the priests, which did so.

>And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?

>And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.

>And this was known to all the Jews and Greeks also dwelling at Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.

An exorcist is someone who is not a Christian, such as a vegabond jew, and tries to cast out demons in the name of Christ. A Christian is one who casts out demons in the faith to so do as spoken of in mark 16, and is not a exorcist. So don't listen to exorcists, but rather to what God says in the Bible.

>>646664

>Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

seems like you just interjected your own personal interpretation of what mental illness is.

according to this source, they associated it with seizures:

"After his transfiguration experience Jesus encounters a father who is pleading with his disciples to release his son from demonic influence. They have had no success. When the man sees Jesus, he pleads for a merciful response because his son “has seizures (selēniazetai) and is suffering greatly. He often falls into the fire or into the water” (17:15). Matthew does not expand the story at this point. Mark, however, describes the demonic attack in these terms (9:18): “it throws him to the ground, he foams at the mouth, he gnashes his teeth and he becomes rigid.” When Jesus acts to exorcise the demon in Mark 9:20, these symptoms become manifest as the boy convulses on the ground, foaming at the mouth."

IE, a symptom of demonic possession was a mental illness/affliction

http://moments.nbseminary.com/archives/moonstruck/

>Yes indeed, God makes special mention of exorcists and why you ought not to do that in acts 19:13-17

Are we even reading the same Scripture here? The demons attacked the Jews because they invoked the name of Christ and Paul without faith. How is this a condemnation of exorcism?

>>646668

<seems like you just interjected your own personal interpretation of what mental illness is.

Mental illness doesn't exist you giga kike, did you not see my first reply? It's not a word in the Bible, its not even a biblical concept. There's demon possession and being a lunatick. That's it. Words have meanings, use them.

>Are we even reading the same Scripture here?

No probably not. I am using the KJV, the only version I am aware of that wouldn't make God a liar if it were true, which it is true. I don't know what you are reading. But here's Mark 9:17-22 KJV for clarification

>And one of the multitude answered and said, Master, I have brought unto thee my son, which hath a dumb spirit;

>And wheresoever he taketh him, he teareth him: and he foameth, and gnasheth with his teeth, and pineth away: and I spake to thy disciples that they should cast him out; and they could not.

>He answereth him, and saith, O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you? bring him unto me.

>And they brought him unto him: and when he saw him, straightway the spirit tare him; and he fell on the ground, and wallowed foaming.

>And he asked his father, How long is it ago since this came unto him? And he said, Of a child.

>And ofttimes it hath cast him into the fire, and into the waters, to destroy him: but if thou canst do any thing, have compassion on us, and help us.

Here it mentions it is "dumb" which is a synonym for blind. That's not mental illness, thats just being blind.

<How is this a condemnation of exorcism?

Because those "jews' were exorcists and not a single other person in the Bible is mentioned as one. But rather it just mentions they cast out demons in the name of Christ, instead of as exorcists.

>>646674

>There's demon possession and being a lunatick

Yes, the former is defined as a spiritual affliction brought upon by sentient rogue angels, the latter is defined by A MENTAL ILLNESS.

Ergo, scripture acknowledges illnesses of the mind - completely separate as a condition of demonic possession.

>Mental illness doesn't exist you giga kike, did you not see my first reply?

selēniazomai refers to mental illness…

>Here it mentions it is "dumb" which is a synonym for blind. That's not mental illness, thats just being blind.

Now you're just putting words and your own straw arguments in my mouth.

>I am using the KJV, the only version I am aware of that wouldn't make God a liar if it were true, which it is true

except the excerpt I quoted used the KJV…

>"The KJV has an accurate rendering of Matthew 4:24, in which we learn that Jesus’ “fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.”

and the KJV quite clearly creates a distinction between soul, mind, and body here.

>Because those "jews' were exorcists and not a single other person in the Bible is mentioned as one.

they weren't exorcists, they were Jews. Real Jews. Denying Christ sort of Jews.

>>646710

T. Démon possessed

>>646696

You're 21. You've still got plenty of time ahead of you to improve your life. It sounds to me like your parents aren't really helping you deal with your problems, and instead they've got you living up to unrealistic standards while they themselves aren't models of inspiration. Living up to God's standards is incredibly important, but when it comes to your parents you might HAVE to disappoint them to some extent. Honor them and give them respect, but you are under no obligation to live life exactly the way they want you to. I'll be praying for you.

>>646174

>Like most pagans who are angry at God, you have an ignorant distorted view of Christian Theology.

Bunch of more blabla from the guy who literally distorted his own argument to retrofit it to his own standpoint.

As seen here.

>>645829

>hey guys there are differences in paganry, Mr German pagan, I grand you that

>actually there's like mediterraneans that are like more vague about things

>So, as you can see, it's all the same cult.

>pagans are larpers

>I believe in my Christian god

>here, let me be a lying hypocrite because I don't really believe in all that shit el oh el it's fine

The rest, as usual, is just more of your retarded drivel since it all springs from a hypocritial, false standpoint.

>hey you are totally a microculture

>did you know that 99% of all pagans in the world are larpers

>you belong to them because you're a microculture

El oh el.

Idiot.

>>646744

>did you know that 99% of all pagans in the world are larpers

Who all do the same thing, too, of course.

According to you anyway.

Also, I finally looked up what the f​uck Wimp Lo is.

It's a f​ucking character from a martial arts comedy movie.

Truly, a philosophers delight.

>>646744

>>646746

That's the point. You like to think that your little micro-cultures are super special and unique but they're not. It's a narcissim of small differences. They're all just micro-permutations of the same basic worldview.

Even all the way out in Japan, there is the tale of the storm god, Susanoo, taking on a giant multi-headed serpent of the sea, in order to redeem himself and save a princess from being sacrificed to said beast:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamata_no_Orochi

It's literally Thor vs the Midgard Serpent, Hercules vs the Hydra, and Perseus saving Andromeda from the Cetus, all rolled into one.

As these posts progress, your "arguments" are devolving further and further into you trying to "blah blah blah" away my arguments and blurting out ad hominems.

I also think it is especially ironic that you've been tossing about accusations of us all being a bunch of lying hypocrites, when it's plainly obvious to all that you did not start posting in this thread out of spirit of charity towards the mentally ill, but to sew discord and doubt amongst those who you perceive as the weakest links on this board.

And not for the purpose of fun either, as you claimed earlier. You do not come off as someone having fun at all. You come of as an angry and bitter young man looking for psychological/emotional punching bags to take your rage out on.

You seem to be hurting, and I'm sorry that you're hurting, and I pray that God heals you and takes away your hurt.

>>646635

Well, he will let you go to hell. Life is much more than a test and truthfully it cannot be taken seriously enough.

>>646828

>let you go to hell

all you need is a tiny bit of faith, as small as a mustard seed and that won't happen.

>>645829

>>646772

>>646830

>>646174

And other posts

Could you finally stop responding to this obvious fedora troll fag that is ban evading with proxies to not derail the thread further ? If you want to "take on the pagans" then make a f'ing thread for it. This is a thread of people trying to help each other in the face of mental conditions. And mind I tell you, gtfo to reddit. All of you. Or adopt a writing style that is bearable.

>>647082

Wrong, you need an encompassing faith that goes above and beyond anything you can presently imagine, my baptist fren.

>>647128

>>647128

>You're an idiot.

>You don't believe in what you believe/have spirituality/soul/etc. because I said so.

>Faith/spirituality is not real faith/spirituality if it's written down, and places an emphasis on the memory of others as being all important. Even though he just emphasized the importance of writing/recording things down for memory's sake from one of his earlier posts, and the current pagan revival that he's a part of would either not exist or not nearly have the meager presence it does without Christian recordings of said pagan beliefs ("I only had to read the Eddas a few years ago, and my faith is that much deeper!"), due to oral traditions eventually either dying out or being distorted over time. RTFE: "Read The Winnie the Pooh Eddas" was literally a meme in the earlier days of the current pagan revival.)

>Current state of paganism is literally exhibit A of what happens when a bunch of amateurs/hobbyists with big egos are literally just floundering about with scraps from Christian writings, archeology and "Unverified Personal Gnosis/UPG" (what he essentially considers "real spirituality") in contrast to recorded,guarded and passed down tradition with established hierarchy.

>People making up stories and culture from their fallen nature based on what they observe is real faith/spirituality

>Goes on about prayer not working…. even though his own pagan beliefs always involve some form of prayer.

>Literally comparing a pigeon having a Pavlov response to Christians having faith in heaven. Even though there is literally no direct reward, yet, for faith in heaven. One literally has to "formulate something spiritual about it, something that goes beyond it" to get anything out of a faith in heaven - a literal intangible, non-physical, spiritual realm.

This is just getting sadder and sadder, and you're proving my point about your anger and bitterness more and more.

I also don't think you're filth. I think you are created in the image of God.

I will continue to pray for you.

>>643548

I'm an alcoholic too, fellow Christian, and a drug addict to boot. It's terrible. I hate being enslaved by psychoactive substances. I'm not physically dependent on any one drug, but I just cant stop getting drunk or high on anything. I'll give it up for a little while but I always come back. I beg God for help with this but it never gets better. He he helped me with other things, and I know He COULD take this demonic passion from me, but he hasn't and I can't do it alone. I'm starting to think sobriety isn't possible and all I can do is mitigate it by only drinking beer and/or smoking weed, two things which are far less physically harmful and spiritually devastating than liquor and hard drugs.

Please pray for me my fellow Christians.

>>647128

>This is mainly for fun after all.

Well, there you go spoken from the horses mouth, is just here to troll and have fun. Not actually interested in having a convo, in one of your post this one outright say prayer is useless, insults peoples faith, which btw if you're interested in deconverting people why would insulting them help them wake up so to say? And, if prayer does nothing, then what's the winnie the pooh point of trying to get into contact with the other side, with the bridge we have. We might as well be atheist. Again im not hearing anything i haven't heard before mostly though. It sounds like stuff i have heard from rank materialist atheist who outright say, Prayers is Bs, I help people by *Doing Stuff* But, then again you're the one going through diff proxies, using a tor idk man. What are we saying that is so infuriating, to, you personally that you have to get on proxies and just cause Chaos? Otherwise dude it's just air all you've said over the past oh, what's it been three days, is really just attack, attack, attack. And if what you're saying is true, that you quote *This is mainly for fun* Well then why take anything you say seriously? Then you've already admitted you're just here to stir the pot. Again if you really wanted to lay out your beliefs why not make a new thread? Personally though is the honestly how you act in real life, i mean if you do hey more power to you.

>>645868

What does your daily diet look like? I have done some Ray Peat style eating before, but it was mostly a liquid diet, I didn’t get the hang of it. Do you supplement with thyroid?

Just listened to my old playlist i made two years ago. I wasnt as depressed as i used to be but my life didnt got better in any practical ways. I want to give my past self somesort of a hug.

>>648371

<So, you're not allowed to say "f​uck"

I can say "winnie the pooh" all I want if it is edifying. Just like in the Bible the words "piss" 1 samuel 25:22, "dumb ass" 2 peter 2:16, and shittim numbers 25:1 are said for our edification.

>on top of having no soul and therefore being unable to go to even your version of "Hell".

You have to have a spirit, not a soul, to go to heaven or hell as spoken of in matthew 10:28 and 1 corinthians 15:44.

>so you can at least pretend that you're not just larpers

TBH they probably are just larpers.

<And I'm here to help you lie less.

Thanks, as they that worship God must worship Him in spirit and in truth john 4:24

>>648372

>This thread is archived, meaning, you have been told to know better about this Odin issue.

I haven't been following this thread that much. Did someone lie about this "odin" thingy? What does this have to do with Christ? Why are you posting this here?

>>648375

>"winnie the pooh"

Should be

>winnie the pooh

>>648379

He stole it from me, just copy and paste his and it'll work

>>648383

How did you do it? I have tried many things to bypass it. The only thing I could think of now is

 winnie the pooh 

Planning on killing myself by snorting large quantities of crushed Adderal. I already have high blood pressure and a weak heart, so it will look like a miscalculation rather than a suicide.

>>648375

Fυck that noise.

>>648384

Try this:

Fuϲk

>>648386

I feel joy now that I have a plan and I know my earthly troubles will be no more.

>>648384

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-breaking_space

>>648405

Hell is where we are now, my friend.

>>648413

I don't know what kind of drugs you have to be on to make a claim like this

>>648440

What do you have in your life that makes it feel less like hell?

>>648442

If you have to actually ask that you'd better cancel your internet subscription because it's just wasted money

>>648466

>The real meat happens in the peoples hearts and souls.

>Hence things surviving even without temples or scripture and there's a lot more to it all than Edda stuff.

Throughout the mid to late 70s, 80s and even into the 90s, the current Northern European Pagan Revival (especially in the late 70s and 80s) was basically Norse flavored Wicca. Asatru initially borrowed heavily from the Wiccan movement (which itself borrowed heavily from Mystery Religions like the Golden Dawn, as well as half-baked gynocentric pan-European pagan witch cult theories from the early 1900s) For example: rituals like the "Hammer-Rite" was basically Wiccan Circle Casting with the Athame being replaced by a Hammer or "the sign of the hammer" (itself a specious at best ritual ironically possibly influenced by the Christian ritual of crossing oneself.)

It wasn't until more conservative asatru pagans began delving deeper into Northern European paganism based on Christian writings (Eddas, Icelandic Sagas, historical documentation by Christian monks, etc.) as well as academic research and archeology, that they began to cobble something together that wasn't just "The Golden Dawn: Norse Edition."

Yet even through this, there were some who didn't particularly care for all of this supposed "historical archaeological nonsense" and believed that the religion should be more informed by personal religious experience and where their hearts would take them. In the late 80s, the largest and most credible asatru organization at the time, "The Asatru Free Assembly" disbanded along such lines, splitting into the infamously liberal "The Troth" and the more conservative "Asatru Alliance" (with the "Asatru Folk Assembly", one of the less than a handful of organizations that somewhat has it's act together, spinning off from said Alliance via Stephen McNallen.)

>>648530

(cont'd)

Even through this upheaval, conservative-minded pagans kept bumping into another problem: in spite of your theory of true spirituality just magically springing from the heart no matter what, new converts to asatru tended to unwittingly bring their Christian worldview with them, and essentially "Norse-ify it." To this day, there are those who go on about their personal relationship with Odin/Thor/etc. (even though in the original pagan worldview, such gods had nothing to do with commoners on a personal level), obviously influenced by the "personal relationship with Christ" concept. This also tends to go hand in hand with "When I die, I'm going to Valhalla, or the hall of my favorite best friend patron god!" Even though, at best the "patron god" concept was either influenced by the "personal relationship with Jesus" concept, or at best, influenced by the Christianity's influence on paganism in it's twilight years (such as patron saints). I am aware of a late pagan era saga story involving a woman desiring suicide so that she would sup with Freya.

There's also the matter of Valhalla. At best, it's theoretically symbolical of mass burial graves in the aftermath of battles with Valkyries being the wives who buried their husbands, as well as "casting spells" to help them during conflict and egg them on through such things a baring their breasts. At worst, especially the version as envisioned in the Eddas, it is the product of Christian influence. Before Northern Europe's encounter with Christianity. the pagan afterlife concept was just dying and living in a mountain or mound or in the earth with one's ancestors, with life continuing on as in the physical world. The concept of an afterlife being a completely separate realm from the earth is a direct product of Christian influence in the latter years of paganism. (along with a desire for a comforting afterlife that was convenient for those who could not recover the body of those who died in far off wars or raids.)

So how have these mistaken distortions of the pagan worldview been attempted to be corrected? Through writings and research. Not UPG (Unverified Personal Gnosis), not "intuition and the heart" as you propose. You want to know which group believes exactly as you do? Who view writings and research, at best, as something to minimize, and at worst have a "Writings smitings! I'll believe whatever the heck my intuition and heart wants to! Whatever feeeeeeels good! Whatever my dream interpretations tell me! Don't you try to boss me around with your historical research!":

>>648531

(cont'd):

Liberal pagans. The Troth. The kind of pagans, that you yourself probably hate with every fiber of your being because in your eyes they are distorting and perverting real paganism. And they are distorting and perverting paganism precisely because they are literally taking your advice to heart. In their world, UPG, intuition and feelings trumps writings, research and structure.

Watch this video:

https://youtu.be/Zbj7zrr2kK8

This is what happens when "pagans" follow your view of spirituality to a T. You get liberal LARPers with no standards.

The kind of conservative pagans that you probably respect, either are heavily based on a reconstructivist philosophy prioritizing writings and research over UPG, like the AFA, or are one of those super obscure holdover cults that beat the odds and are based on a somewhat unbroken passed down tradition, not intuition and feelings (and even then, notice the Orthodox icon corner):

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2016/dec/21/europes-oldest-pagans-mari-people-ikuru-kuwajima

The reason why the Eddas, Sagas, and other Christian records are brought up so much, is that they are the reason why Icelandic/Norse paganism is the most well preserved of the Germanic forms of paganism. Continental Germanic paganism has been so thoroughly decimated, that reconstructivist groups that aren't UPG reliant liberal LARPers, refer to the Eddas, Sagas, and historical writings, and other academic research often, in order to "fill in the blanks" so to speak via comparative mythology. The cold hard ugly truth is that some leftover traditions and superstitions like Pennsylvanian Dutch hex signs, and viewing spiders in the evening as a sign of coming romance, is not enough to effectively try to revive paganism.

Your thesis of "paganism would survive without any maintenance and writings whatsoever and would just magically spring forth from the heart" is proven patently false by both the development of the current modern pagan revival, and by surviving remnants of paganism. Pagans that take your view to heart become liberal hedonists clinging on to Christian worldviews leftover in their subconscious. The pagans that are the farthest they can be from LARPing either take a reconstructivist approach prioritizing writings and research over UPG, or got extremely lucky and have somewhat of a passed down and maintained tradition (i.e. the Mari people.)

Even then, conservative reconstructionist groups have problems. Without an unbroken priesthood to maintain standards and heirachy, there are a lot of problems such as having a central authority to prescribe the truths of the writings (i.e. Asatru who try to reconcile living in the modern world with trying to reconstruct ancient incompatible worldviews, and Theodists, who advocate going full Amish and separating from the modern world and trying to literally recreate pre-1000 AD Europe SCA style, right down to state/tribe names and organization systems.) Lack of hierarchy and priesthood also tends to create a classic "Too many chiefs, not enough Indians" scenario, with everyone wanting to be priests or chieftains or some other position of great repute; which is where a lot of the big egos and constant infighting and splitting comes from. There is also the problem of still having heavily embedded Christian and/or Modernist worldviews to shift through, which they may never fully overcome, as 1000 to 2000 years of such worldviews being embedded do not just pop out over night. As an old saying goes: "once you become a pickle, you can never go back to being a cucumber." To paraphrase Bill Linzie: "Trying to change your worldview is akin to performing brain surgery on yourself.

Speaking of Bill Linzie, you might want to look him up. His works might still be in the /asatru/ pdf archive that I used to maintain. Especially read his works on worldview and reconstruction if you think I'm just pulling stuff out of my rear. Or you can just "blah blah blah" this all away if it's too uncomfortable for you.

As always, I will continue to pray for you: that you see the futility of paganism as a worldview and as something that can be effectively revived into a viable cultural force.

>>648532

>Watch this video:

I wonder where the people in there will be from, let's see if they're from my region or even country.

If not, then it matters not.

>Some anglos

I see.

Well, on the upside of it all, if there's another Tchernobyl or Fukushima then you can do the cleanup work without any sort of harm, since you must be made from the densest material in the universe.

>Or you can just "blah blah blah" this all away

Yeah, I'm going with that.

You have no idea about anything, seriously.