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Calvinists!

>>641318

I dont follow.

>>641315

Revelations 14:11

>And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

>for ever and ever

>>641315

It's at least an extreme example of heterodoxy if not flat out heresy.

>>641318

Stop bearing false witness.

>>641315

Yes, its heresy and absolute garbage. Is your friend 7 day *dventist, or, God forgive me for using this word, a Jehovah's w*tness?

>>641330

He's a sort of wishy washy baptist. He goes the whole metaphor route with genesis as well.

>>641327

From the website

>But equally obvious should be the fact that the vision given to John consists of highly symbolic and apocalyptic imagery, so it must be interpreted carefully. The imagery of restlessness and smoke rising perpetually from torment may not actually communicate eternal torment, any more than a seven-headed, ten-horned beast () ridden by a prostitute with the name of a city on her head () communicates a future reality like something pictured in a horror movie.

Whats there to say about this?

>>641335

Considering the crazy shit that goes on in cy+3, that is literally going to happen at some point.

>>641315

>and that the soul is not actually immortal.

Revelation 16:3

>And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

>>641330

When you say metaphor, do you actually mean metaphor or do you mean allegory? I've seen the terms mixed a lot so I thought I'd ask.

>Soul Annihilationism

H E R E S Y

>>641335

I have a creeping suspicion that whoever wrote this also thinks that Genesis is just an allegory.

>>641334

Hah. Missed this when I posted >>641513.

>>641330

Don't Christian Scientists belief something similar as well?

>>641517

*believe

>>641327

I've noticed people only insist on the Bible being symbolic when it makes them uncomfortable.

Hey, if eternal suffering is just metaphorical, that why not Heaven too? Maybe He was just kidding every time he used the word "eternal".

>>641517

I'm a Catholic physicist and soul annihilationism is utterly heretical

>>641649

Basically this. As much as id like to believe that because i know i would be very comfortable with it,its not true.

>>641381

Metaphor im pretty sure.

>>641315

The answer to your question lies in whether or not it's written in the Bible that non-believers will receive eternal life; to which the answer is no.

The soul is not immortal.

◄ Matthew 10:28 ►

Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

There is a second death awaiting unbelievers.

◄ Revelation 21:8 ►

But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

>>641327

Jude 1:7

Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Are Sodom and Gomorrha still burning today?

>>641807

>>641327

Second death means separation/rebellion against God, not ann*hilation. Stop spreading heretical garbage.

>>641809

It's inhabitants do, as it seems