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39718b No.622910

Hello, I am thinking about converting to Christianity, but which sect is truthful? Nestorians or Catholics/Orthodox? And why?

a6551a No.622986

The one that belive in hypostatic union. Read acts of council of Ephesus and Chalcedon. Or if you are lazy twat:

"These things saith the First and the Last, who was dead, and is alive:"

Person of God the Son (the first and the last) and the human person (died on cross) is the same divine person.


b947fa No.622989

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KJV only Independent Fundamental Baptist


fb3c5a No.622991

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This video mainly deals with this question


b947fa No.622992

>>622989

also this

Verses proving salvation to anyone that believes and not of works.

https://youtu.be/V8xZTVKx0Dc

John

1:12

3:15-16/18/36

4:14(John 6:35)

5:24

6:28-29/35/38-40/44-45/47

7:38-39

8:24

10:27-29

11:25-27/40

12:46

14:1-3

16:27

20:31

Matthew

5:19

7:21-23(John 6:38-40)

8:10-13

12:37

21:31-32

Mark

1:15

2:5

10:24-25

16:16

Luke

3:3(Acts 19:4)

5:20

7:50

8:12

18:10-14/40-42

23:40-43

Acts

2:21

10:43

11:16-17

13:38-39/48

15:7-9

16:30-31

19:4(Luke 3:3)

26:18

Romans

1:16-17

3:20/22/24-28/30

4:2-14/16/24

5:1/15-18

6:23

8:24

9:30-33

10:3-4/9-10/13

11:6

1 Corinthians

1:14/17

3:14-15

15:1-2

2 Corinthians

4:13-14

1 Thessalonians

4:14

2 Thessalonians

1:10

2:12

Ephesians

1:13-14

2:8-9

4:7

Galatians

2:16/21

3:6-11/14/21-22/24/26

5:3-6

Philippians

3:3/9

Titus

3:5

1 Timothy

1:16

2 Timothy

1:9

3:15

Hebrews

4:3

10:38-39

11:7

1 Peter

1:3-5/8-9

2:6

3:21(Colossians 2:12)

1 John

4:2-3/15

5:1/4-5/10-11/13

Revelation

2:11

3:5

21:7


369ec5 No.622994

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In the fifth century a long and difficult controversy developed over the true understanding of the person and nature of Jesus Christ. The third ecumenical council in Ephesus in 431, following the teaching of Saint Cyril of Alexandria, was most concerned to defend the fact that the One who was born of the Virgin Mary was no one other than the divine Son of God in human flesh. It was necessary to defend this fact most explicitly because some in the Church, following Nestorius, the bishop of Constantinople, were teaching that the Virgin Mary should not be called Theotokos—a term already used in the Church’s theology—because it was claimed that the Virgin gave birth to the man Jesus whom the Son of God had become in the incarnation, and not to the Son Himself. In this view it was held that there is a division between the Son of God born in eternity from God the Father and the Son of Man born from the Virgin in Bethlehem; and that although there is certainly a real “connection” between them, Mary merely gave birth to the man. As such, it was held, Mary could be called Theotokos only by some sort of symbolic and overly-pious stretching of the word, but that it is rather dogmatically accurate to call her Christotokos (the one who gave birth to the Messiah) or Anthropotokos (the one who gave birth to the Man that the Son of God has become in the incarnation).

Saint Cyril of Alexandria and the fathers of the council in Ephesus rejected the Nestorian doctrine and claimed that the term Theotokos for the Virgin Mary is completely and totally accurate and must be retained if the Christian faith is to be properly confessed and the Christian life properly lived. The term must be defended because there can be no division of any sort between the eternal Son and Word of God, begotten of the Father before all ages, and Jesus Christ, the Son of Mary. Mary’s child is the eternal and divine Son of God. He—and no one else—was born of her as a child. He—and no one else—was incarnate in human flesh from her. He—and no one else—became man in the manger in Bethlehem. There can be no “connection” or “conjunction” between God’s Son and Mary’s Son because they are in fact one and the same person. God’s Son was born of Mary. God’s Son is divine; He is God. Therefore, Mary gave birth to God in the flesh, to God as a man. Therefore, Mary is truly Theotokos. The battle cry of St Cyril and the Council in Ephesus was just this: The Son of God and the Son of Man—one Son!

-Fr. Hopko


17b576 No.623036

>>622910

>Nestorians

Nestorianism is both nonsensical and heretical. Practically, there aren't any Nestorian churches around to join. The closest is going Muslim, who are successors of a lot of Nestorian thought. Look into the differences between Catholics/Orthodox, rather than viewing them as one side of a coin, with the other side being Nestorianism


b1983b No.623281

>>622910

Neither of those two, but you already knew that seeing as you are shitposting. Nestorianism barely exists anymore.


aa6c9d No.623283

>>622910

>Nestorians

is there any sect that actually believes that?

I know that catholics sometimes meme that protestants are nestorians, but I thought that was just because of the christokos debacle.


947e43 No.623285

Thanks everybody for the answers


947e43 No.623286

I thought Christians in Iraq are nestorians?


f6f3ef No.623408

Don't listen to the sectarian fighting on this board, it rivals the Sunni/Shi'a hatred in Iraq. If you're just starting out, be nondenominational in your own manner and read the Bible yourself. Watch videos to explain things you don't understand, or to gain more depth. Then after you have an understanding of this faith and the message of Christ, pick your sect.


369ec5 No.623429

>>623286

Not really, or at least not completely. Recent patriarchs of the Church of the East have repudiated key parts of Nestorianism. They reject the label entirely.


91d86b No.623570

>>623408

This has been my approach since I converted 2 years ago. Still haven't quite figured it out, but it's becoming clearer.


cddfbf No.624736

Nestorianism and Miaphysitism are both less heretical than Catholicism, and Catholicism is far less heretical than Protestantism. Mormonism and Jehovah's Witnesses fall into the protestant category too- despite what some will try to tell you. Going Orthodox is the best bet- but at this point even calling yourself a literal Manichean is better than calling yourself a Jehovah's Witness.




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