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>>616188

>Will absolve there sins?

>>616188

Fail.

>visions of Mary

>"any spirit confessing the name of Christ"

If you really want to learn about how love overcomes the religion of pharisees, give Marian Christianity a chance.

In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

No, you also need to sprinkle poofoo dust all over the room

>Mary, mother of God

what a blasphemous statement.

>>616204

Mary is the Mother of Jesus. Jesus is God. Therefore Mary is the Mother of God.

>>616204

Hello, Nestorius.

>>616207

Then that means David is the father if God

Matthew 22

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

>>616188

Not I, but then again I don't pray vocally too often. I believe prayers are wants and because God has given all that you need by His act of being fully (He can not be convinced, everything He will do He has already done, petitioning Him and believing your sins are forgiven is useless and vain to me, making a crutch of prayer and not doing). I believe you should act on the grace of your desire (it being in God's will) and cease the sin you're praying for forgiveness for. It's one thing to have sorrow for your sins and beg for forgiveness, and another to reform your will and actions in accordance with being forgiven. The second is greater to me.

Though others do I guess.

>>616211

Hello Arius

>>616212

Wrong.

Mary literally gave birth to him, making her his physical mother.

>>616222

And David literally begetted Christ also

And so did Eve(if you even believe she existed)

>>616188

Only the wh*te ones

>>616217

So what you're actually trying to say is that the Sacrament of confession and atonement is meaningless. That is heresy.

>>616235

No, actually didn't say that at all. I just don't believe in using it as a crutch to continue sinning. Going through it is in obedience, which is part of your act of using the grace (already given since God is) in answer to the prayer of not sinning. The sins have been forgiven, I see it more as obeying (to not do so and receive/use the grace in the way prescribed would be a sin in and of itself). Yes the forgiveness and all, but you were already forgiven (time doesn't exist to God), but we confess in faith anyway.

>>616211

Does living in heaven somehow change the status of Mary as the Theotokos? You do know that you are still you but glorified there (and it's not the final destination)?

>>616242

Yes that's what you said.

>petitioning Him and believing your sins are forgiven is useless and vain to me

You might want to rephrase that if it is not what you meant. Your sins have not been forgiven just like that. God forgives when you ask. What His "terms of time" are and what yours are does not play any role. You are here, you live "forward" and not like God "exist at any time and anywhere in the universe". Confession and atonement is a Sacrament for a reason and you are committing a grave heresy by saying that all sins have been forgiven already anyway.

You sound more like someone that does nothing but watch pseudo-intellectual videos and reads pseudo-intellectual articles all day and tries to make sense of the most plain Church teaching by himself rather than simply obeying the Church and therefore Christ.

Not without reason did He say "ask and you will be given" for if you refuse to ask because of a warped perception of what forgiveness means, then you might not be forgiven.

>>616244

https://youtu.be/B0hMt5HE6Ls

>using man's logic

goyim i…

>>616247

>Matthew 1:18 KJV

(18)  Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

>Matthew 2:13 KJV

(13)  And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.

>Luke 1:41-43 KJV

(41)  And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

(42)  And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

(43)  And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

As a Baptist myself I cannot deny that Theotokos is a fitting title for Mary.

>>616251

Yes she is the mother if his flesh. Jesus exited ifinently longer than Mary so no she in't the mother of God

>>616256

FULLY GOD AND FULLY MAN, HERETIC GET OUT.

>>616256

And yet, we have the Incarnation.

That means(unless you are a nestorian) that the 2 natures existed in perfect union.

Weve had this controversy a looong time ago.

We reflected a lot on it by debating all these Christological heresies.

Denying all this has very serious and heretical theological implications.

>>616256

>she is the mother if his flesh.

Which still makes her His mother since there is only one, undivided Christ. The Jews only killed His flesh, and yet we still say they murdered the Divine Son.

>Jesus exited ifinently longer than Mary

And yet Elisabeth by immediate inspiration called Mary "η μητηρ του κυριου" which is related to the Old Testament use of "The Lord" as a title for God.

It doesn't matter that Mary is a mere creature, or that she did not bring the Son into existence, she still carried God in her womb.

The Mary worship makes Christianity only look like Egyptian mythology. Yes, Jesus had a mother. No, she is not His divine mother. The Word of God always existed, and she was only the vessel to make the Word into flesh. Don't exaggerate her role. She received one, or if not the highest of honors among women in the Bible, period. Nothing more, nothing less. She has no divine status, she does not deserve worship, or veneration as you would put it. Men are not supposed to bow down to women, I cannot comprehend how any of you are so willing to emasculate yourselves.

>>616269

>She has no divine status, she does not deserve worship, or veneration as you would put it.

Right, but I never said she is divine, or that we ought to worship her. But the title of Theotokos is perfectly consistent with, if not implied by, the Biblical witness.

>>616188

Prayer to Mary is idolatry.

>>616270

>But the title of Theotokos is perfectly consistent

The title implies that she is the mother God, which is inherently wrong. Physically, yes. Generally, no. The title was found 322 AD and not even during the time of the NT.

>Jesus: confess your sins to one another

>Jesus: I give you, my apostles, the power to absolve sins in my name

>OP: lol stupid catholics LOL

>>616274

>parable explaining His nature as True Man and True God

>lol mary is a nobody lol

Blasphemy.

>>616277

If Mary is not the Mother of God, then how can Jesus be God?

>>616275

>Jesus: confess your sins to one another

faults*

>Jesus: I give you, my apostles, the power to absolve sins in my name

They never once did that in scripture and either way if they could anyone that believes on Jesus has the remission of sins

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

>OP: lol stupid catholics LOL

Yes

>>616279

Also that was James that said that not Jesus

>>616279

OK, I guess you'll say Jesus never breathed the Holy Spirit on the Apostles either

>>616217

Prayer isn't just asking for things, anon.

Although it wouldn't hurt to ask that the souls in purgatory be released.

>>616278

Are you mentally challenged or are you just playing dumb for not knowing the eternal Word of God and His manifestation in the flesh through a fleshly vessel?

>>616283

Are you denying Mary is the Mother of God?

Then how can Jesus be God?

>>616286

You don't even know what you're saying.

If Mary is not the Mother of God, then how can Jesus be God? It'd also break the prophecies concerning the Messiah in the OT.

>>616272

>The title implies that she is the mother God, which is inherently wrong.

>Jesus is not truly God

>>616274

This question Jesus asked was intended to demonstrate the ignorance of the pharisees, and the answer to it is found in the mystery of the incarnation.

David is the X*Grandfather of God the Son (2 Samuel 7:12-13).

>>616281

I didn't say that and nice no argument

>>616289

You are not giving me ANY REAL REFUTATION.

If Mary is not the Mother of God, she is also NOT THE MOTHER OF THE MESSIAH.

You are not only denying Christ, you are denying He is the promised Messiah.

>>616287

How can Mary be the mother of God if God always was, is and will be? You Catholics need to repent of your heresies and mental gymnastics. Your false teachings make - I repeat - Christianity look like Egyptian mythology.

>>616290

But you did have no argument to this >>616279

>>616292

Apostolic Succession is a different topic than the theological grounding behind Mary, as the Mother of God.

>>616291

You just have no idea what you're saying. If Mary is not the Mother of God, then Jesus is not God, pure and simple.

You non-trinitarians are about as bad as the Jews…in fact, you're not a muslim masquerading as a protestant, are you?

>>616291

Pearls before swine

>>616277

> Mary is your God.

So Mohammad is right about the Trinity?

>>616293

>Apostolic Succession

Which is also msn's traditions and you don't even follow the apostles

Faith alone.

Acts 16

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

No baby sprinkling.

Acts 8

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

No worshipping man.

Acts 10

25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

Jesus went to hell for 3 days.

Acts 2

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

>>616297

False accusations and image macros are not an argument dude.

>>616299

>Jesus went to hell for 3 days.

no

>No worshipping man

we don't worship man

>No baby sprinkling

that doesn't mean what you think it means, otherwise how can a husband sanctify wife, or vice versa? how can entire households be converted?

>Faith alone

faith without works is dead

Hi bauptist friend, we missed you.

>>616308

> three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Define "heart of the earth". Sounds to me like "buried", not "Hell".

>>616313

The heart is the middle you dingus. Like the heart of an artichoke

>>616324

>My heart is not in the middle of my body.An artichoke's heart is not in the middle.

It pretty much is right in the middle not just barely in there like where Jesus' body was buried and it says "that his soul was not left in hell" so then it was in hell.

Also when Jonah is praying he says how he's beneath mountains forever so it's prophetic of Jesus

3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O Lord my God.

>The earth's core is solid iron.

We haven't even made it through the crust so bo they don't know that

>protshits fail to understand something as simple as theotokos

>>616330

>It pretty much is right in the middle

Nah. I'm 6'3. If I measure from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet, my waist is in the middle. My heart is nowhere near my waist. I think maybe you're a little off in your studies of biology and/or physiology.

>that his soul was not left in hell

My dinner plate was not left on the counter. Doesn't mean my plate was ever actually there. It means I didn't leave it there.

>we haven't seen it, so we can't know

We knew about atoms long before we ever saw one. We don't see the wind, but we know it's there because of its affect on things around us. It is quite easy to detect the unseen and know what it's made of. Science is impressive that way.

>>616188

Y'know back in my day trolling was still a art.

>>616207

Mothers precede their children. Nothing precedes God. Therefore Mary is not the mother of God.

>>616710

>Mary is not the Mother of God

Then you reject either A: Mary is the mother of Jesus or B: Jesus is God

>>616721

Mary is the mother of Jesus man, the divine part was the holy ghost.

>>616229

Are Italians white?

>>616361

>a art

>>616346

this is what happens when autistic people try to read bible