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Can't you just call the priest if you want to have Confession?

>>607441

>purgatory doesn't exist

What? You must talk further about this.

>>607374

this or go to a cathedral they usually have confession multiple times a day a week

>>607371

>A life without mortal sin? Apparently more likely than you'd think

Yes it's very likely

Just stop relying on works of the law and trust in Christ alone, then you're sins will be all gone

>>607371

… We are Christians. We are not supposed to sin gravely all the time (in fact, we are not supposed to sin at all).

Did you know that in the early Church, the sacrament of confession was only offered once in a lifetime?

At least the norm isn't to confess every week even today. If you must confess every week, you're in a really, really awful place spiritually.

Also, you can always call the priest to schedule an appointment for confession. I've gone to parishes that did not offer a time for confession at all - you obligatorily had to schedule an appointment.

>>607446

Throughout Christendom, it's only Catholics who believe in Purgatory, you know.

#orthoflag

>>607371

Go to Mass, don't have sex outside of marriage, and don't masturbate, and you have covered the easiest mortal sins to commit. Those are the ones that are habitual and, in my opinion, the ones that are easy to want to commit. The rest of the mortal sins feel uncomfortable to consider commiting, which is good.

Unfortunately, there are probably a lot of cases of people who don't really go to Confession, will miss Mass a couple of times a month, but take Communion anyways. If I'm being charitable, I can guess that they have other parishes, circumstances, or places for Confession; it's an unchristian waste of my time to stalk fellow parishoners to know their exact circumstances. All I can really do is offer corrections when I know that it will be received instead of triggering defenses.

>>607487

Lad if you think you don't have sins to confess every week i suggest you take a good look at yourself

https://www.orthodox.net/confess/confession.pdf

>>607496

You should read the document you posted yourself.

There are 4 schools of thought in Orthodoxy regarding communion.

- The Russian one, that one must obligatorily confess before having communion, regardless of what they've done since their previous confession. So, weekly communion means weekly confession.

- The Ukrainian one, that one must have confessed, done the Wednesday and Friday fasts perfectly, kept up their prayer rule perfectly, and done the pre-communion prayers to be able to receive communion. As a result, practically nobody has communion or confession on a regular basis.

- The "standard" one, which is like that of the Roman Catholic Church: one must not have committed a grave sin since their last confession to be able to have communion. That is the stance I am talking about. It also seems to be the stance this document is talking about, so I'm not sure you read it yourself.

- The "American" one, according to which confession is only really needed for the 4 fasting periods of the year, and the priest lets you have communion weekly. I call it "American" because I've only seen it in some American parishes.

>>607487

>Throughout Christendom, it's only Catholics who believe in Purgatory, you know.

From what I've read, Orthodox do believe in after-death purification.

>>607504

What kind of modernism is this? the acceptability of communion changes because of your country? absolutely absurd, i wasn't saying saying you have to go to confession before communion. I was saying that you should examine yourself first if you truly have not committed any grave sins, which i doubt most people in the modern world can avoid. You are telling me to read the document but look at the section extracted from the way of the pilgrim and tell me you meet that standard. I am not suggesting the two sacraments are linked.

http://www.events.orthodoxengland.org.uk/confession-and-communion-a-false-problem/

>>607506

It isn't the same as purgatory, it isn't temporal punishment but an acknowledgement of the dynamic nature of the afterlife. see video attached.

>>607506

Mark of Ephesus made a good homily where he explains why Purgatory is a heresy, and puts on the table the Orthodox beliefs on the soul after death. I can't find it right now though.

We believe that the soul either goes to Paradise or to Hades. Paradise is not the fullness of bliss, and Hades is not the fullness of punishment. The closer to theosis one is, the more bliss they have in Paradise; the more sinful one is, the more torment they have in Hades. We pray for all - those in Paradise to have better bliss, and those in Hades to have lesser punishment, and it can get to a degree that those in Hades are rescued and enter Paradise. There is no Purgatory distinct from Heaven and Hell, only the "higher" parts of Hell, and they are not in a state of fiery but temporary torment, since fire is for the worse sinners.

>>607510

It's not modernism, it's the reality of things today. Not all priests have the same standards for protecting the chalice, and I'm surprised you're not aware of that. But the standard isn't that confession must be done weekly if communion is to be had weekly.

>I was saying that you should examine yourself first if you truly have not committed any grave sins, which i doubt most people in the modern world can avoid.

We are Christians, that means we are specifically -not- in the same box as "most people in the world." They are of the world. Again, if you really cannot manage to spend a week without gravely sinning, you're in a very dark place spiritually. I'm not judging you for that though, but don't expect everybody to need to confess weekly just because you do. From the people I've spoken with, they tend to need to confess something between every two weeks to every month.

>>607524

>they are not in a state of fiery but temporary torment, since fire is for the worse sinners.

This comes off wrong, let me reword it.

Purgatory is fiery but temporary torment.

Those in the "higher parts" of Hell are not in such a state, rather, it is more like solitary confinement.

But it is not distinct from Hell. Those who die with more iniquity suffer worse torment, those who die with less inquity suffer lesser torment, and these two are in Hell. Those who die with more virtue enjoy better bliss, those who die with less virtue enjoy lesser bliss, and these two are in Heaven. We pray for all of them so that they may be closer to the highest of bliss, and so, some of those in Hell will be saved too. The Fathers don't agree on whether all those in Hell can potentially be saved, or those in the "lower parts" of Hell are already condemned.

>>607524

>It's not modernism, it's the reality of things today. Not all priests have the same standards for protecting the chalice, and I'm surprised you're not aware of that

i am aware of this and don't think it is correct to say well we are Greeks for example so we don't do confession, which was only done in the first place due to the military dictatorship. You should go to confession when you need it.

>They are of the world. Again, if you really cannot manage to spend a week without gravely sinning, you're in a very dark place spiritually. I'm not judging you for that though, but don't expect everybody to need to confess weekly just because you do. From the people I've spoken with, they tend to need to confess something between every two weeks to every month.

well i'm probably just a horrible person, we have a different idea of a grave sin aswell,if i get angry with my brother for example would you think that warrants confession?what if i don't pray one day? i this is why i linked the site mainly for the extract from the way of the pilgrim which explain how these small actions show greater sins.

>>607496

thanks for the pdf, this is amazing

>>607512

>an aknowledgement of the dynamic nature of the afterlife

purgatory is a period of purification, a time when sins are expiated, a time without which the beatific vision would be impossible.

inb4 Orthodox edgelordism

>>607858

Delete this.

My parish is like that. Usually there is only a few people that go to confession but lots that take communion. I hope for their sake they're confessing somewhere

>>607441

Ned Flanders is Satan in the Simpsons universe. Not least because he manages to corrupt the idea of Christianity.

Just don't commit sins and you don't need a confession.

>>608217

You know that they don't. If you ever talk to the average person calling themselves Catholic, you know that most of them only visit Mass a few times a year (maybe Christmas & Easter), how many more do you think have not attended confession in years? The majority of Catholics are receiving communion while not in a state of grace and nobody cares.

>>608223

Treehouse of Horror episodes aren’t canon.