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I don't want to be 'that' guy but this either belongs in the /christian/pol/ thread or the QTDDTOT.

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>>584903

>Most of the Waffen SS were confessing Catholics

Source.

Read Mit brenneder Sorge, it basically needed to get smuggled into Germany to avoid the Gestapo censuring it and when it was read in churches Hitler went ballistic.

Because the church stays out of political issues like this.

>>584903

>Why didn't the Catholic Church excommunicate any leaders of the Nazis in Germany?

I don't know. Why didn't communist party leaders get excommunicated after the papal decree against it.

>Most of the Waffen SS were confessing Catholics and none were expelled from the Church.

Source?

>When will the Catholic Church own up to it's support of Nazism and fascism?

The church never supported Nazism and Pope Pius XII condemned it without naming it in an encyclical. The church has supported "fascist" regimes of people like Franco and there's nothing wrong with that.

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>>584913

>Why didn't communist party leaders get excommunicated after the papal decree against it.

They did. It's called Latae sententiae.

>>584903

Because Pius XII was doing his own political games to fight nazism, while avoiding getting people killed without any results to show for it.

>>584914

> Latae sententiae.

If you're going by that then most Nazis were also excommunicated. I'm talking about formal excommunication.

>>584950

Excommunication can happen ipso facto.

If you are a communist then you are most likely ipso facto excommunicated.

Technically communism has been condemned before if even existed because the tenants of Communism overlap with a lot of the condemned statements in the syllabus of errors & even declared REPROBATES in “Qui pluribus,” Nov. 9, 1846, Allocution “Quibus quantisque,” April 20, 1849, Encyclical “Noscitis et nobiscum,” Dec. 8, 1849, Allocution “Singulari quadam,” Dec. 9, 1854, Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863. Way before communism was a thing or before Pope Pius XII's formal condemnation of Communism. Literally a prophetic condemnation.

Communists are not only excommunicated both formally and ipso facto but are considered pests and reprobates. Non-pagan, non-christian, doctrinally sound fascists does not get the same penalty. Tho they must confess their sins of hating thy neighbor.

aside from the papal bulls already named, the Vatican isn't a protestant religious sect, it is the sole head of over a billion people, regardless of how "catholic" they really are. the ramifications of pissing off a State could be anywhere from purges to banning Mass (see: England)

to sum it up quickly: geo-politics

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>>584903

If you want a real answer, it is because a large part of the Catholic church wanted the Fascists to win, in fact in some countries like Slovakia the Catholic church was actively involved in running the Fascist state.

There was also a more pragmatic force at play, what would happen to the church if the Axis powers had won the war? You have to remember that in 1941 Hitler looked like he was going to win.

>>584903

>Why didn't the Catholic Church excommunicate any leaders of the Nazis in Germany? Most of the Waffen SS were confessing Catholics and none were expelled from the Church. Joseph Goebell's was the only Nazi leader expelled from the Church but that was because he married a Protestant divorcee.

They were a force against atheistic communism, so they likely chose the lesser of two evils.

>When will the Catholic Church own up to it's support of Nazism and fascism?

They did, but it made no difference to people like you because you're self-centered narcissists who want to be rewarded for playing a victim. Even after they condemned it and after you profited multi-billions from milking a century old tragedy, you still feel entitled to demand every breathing entity to kiss your feet.

Because there isn't any contradiction between fascism and Christianity. Both are compatible, unlike with marxism, which does cause excommunication.

The church doesnt excommunicate people based on non Christians not liking them.

>>584959

I know.

>>585345

>Because there isn't any contradiction between fascism and Christianity. Both are compatible

If this were true then Hitler wouldn't've needed to come up with his heresy called "positive christianity". But Christianity and fascism are surely incompatible when you get down to the underlying ideology and the writings of the party intelligentsia.

>>585345

>The church doesnt excommunicate people based on non Christians not liking them.

Additionally Christianity is primarily about forgiveness, not about holding vindictive long-term grudges that were already paid for several times over by everyone in the past century. It's kind of hilarious that an ethnostate, millions in foreign aid, millions in the box office for anti-nazi media, condemnation from virtually everyone, and a legislative control over foreign governments still isn't enough for them.

If their descendants still feel that they're owed something, then they don't deserve anything good to begin with.

>>584903

The Nazis were killing the synagogue of Satan. The real grounds for excommunication would have been their pagan nonsense.

We have a politics thread.