/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>800144

The fact is: there were Catholic soldiers and officers, but the NatSoc party as a whole was not much more Christian in name only for propaganda reasons. Even Stalin rallied the people of Russia under the banner of Christianity declaring Nazism to be a tool of the Antichrist. I’m not saying all of the ideas behind National Socialism are bad, and some are based on eternal truths; but it’s not an ideology I would side with (even if, again, I do see some merits in some of their opinions about love of one’s people, unity of a Nation and striving to have big families and a strong independent Country, etc). I think we should not align ourselves with ideologies of any kind, imho.

>>800156

>US military

LOL

>>800156

>Nice cherry picking

>Cherry picking

>WhatIsRexism.jpg

>WhatIsFalangism.png

>WhatIsIronGuard.exe

>posts US military to counter the point - for some reason obviously

>>800150

I get what you're saying but I do not think being apolitical will solve anything. And I do not think christians should be apolitical.

It would be wrong to put an ideology above God, sure. But nowadays not having an ideology is basically following the global marxist agenda either by direct approval or by staying apolitical.

That's just my take though.

>>800267

Exactly, even in the US military you'll eventually find devout Christians. I'm sure the German troops in WWII were no different. Doesn't say much about the leadership of those countries, though.

Oy vey explain yourselves, cucklics! Why are you so anti-Semitic! Israel won't bring in the rule of the anti-christ because christ is in hell!

>:(

>>800272

Not him but I think you're right in some ways but you're confusing apolitical with status-quo. The latter is without a doubt a very bad position to hold. I find the more I seek God and put the teachings of the church above my pre-disposed politics, the more apolotical I become. That doesn't mean I am bluepilled, I just don't subscribe to ideologies that may act as a stumbling block.

>>800417

"Subscribe to ideologies" is just a slogan. IF one cares about God, one will care also about the state of things his people find themselves in. Like…what's the point of believing in anything if you do not want to see it fulfilled.

>I find the more I seek God and put the teachings of the church above my pre-disposed politics, the more apolotical I become.

Depends what you mean by "apolitical". If it means playing based centrist, not expressing dissent with the current decay it is inherently bad. If it means "I care less about muh economics and minor scandals" that's the proper way to take.

I define apolitical as someone who is a centrist, do not care about anything and therefore will go with status quo.

For others: A person believes in something, that influences his "ideology" and that influences his political opinions. That is just natural.

I do take issues with people who like to preserve status quo at all costs and claim that others put "ideology before faith". Of course there are people such as this and this should be discouraged but framing this into a false dichotomy would be a mistake.

>>800499

I admit that yes, it turned into a slogan; I should have been more specific. My opposition was against modern ideologies like National Socialism, Fascism, Communism, Marxism and similar stuff.

Please forgive my vagueness.

Also, I do agree that one’a ideological standpoint is ever growing and a sedimentation of experiences, studies and debates; my worries were more concerted and focused on those who try to bend Christianity to fit their ideology rather than the other way around and whenever they, and even me, hear voices who oppose theirs…immediately assume ill gotten motivations, pure opposition and end up resorting to merely name calling as a way to disprove or debate an opposing view.

Sure, there are areas where the Gospel impels is to say yes or no, to see white or black when it comes to moral stances…but there are areas when we should go a bit easier on the positions and opinions we hold. Example given: homosexuality and the sinners in it. I’m all for calling out that abomination, it to then say they are all lost beyond redemption seems too much…

Hope my position is a bit clearer and even if we disagree we can at least understand how and why we are not in the same position on the topic of “ideology” and why we see them as we see them.

>>800956

All right I see we understand each other now. It is just as wrong to fit the faith according to ideology, as it is wrong to use the guise of faith to attack an ideology which is more compatible with Chirstianity than opposition anyway and the discord is a result just of having different political opinion, not exactly matter of faith. This unfortunately has happened with some blessed/saints. But what can we do. Modern ideologies can do some good only in a specific cases….in cases that they are under check of holding true to the faith, not the other way around.

Shaping faith/creating a new religion because muh politics is inherently evil and will always lead to nothing but subversion.

>>801024

I still do not agree with all your points, but I get the gist of what you say.

I’m not sure what political view I would belong to right now, but I agree that the modern left is abominable in most of its core tenants and goals/fights; still, I cannot side with its opposite just because it’s not as bad and I share some values with parts of it.

I used to be an Evolian fascist, now I’m in search of a better way to integrate tradition in my life and avoid extremes that, personally and as a Christian, I can’t yet see as acceptable and probably will never be acceptable.

>>801024

>as it is wrong to use the guise of faith to attack an ideology which is more compatible with Chirstianity than opposition

Not him, but….

Such logic has been the main reason for the most disastrous long-term geopolitical decisions in history.

Besides, when the group you hate is almost your exact opposite, it's almost impossible NOT to have more in common with literally anyone else.

>>801172

>Such logic has been the main reason for the most disastrous long-term geopolitical decisions in history.

Arguable. If you let the other side take all initiative the results would probably be even more destructive - see red terror in Russia, Ukraine and Baltic states. Saying what-if is a guess game, claiming that without opposition the "peace" would always have been better is dishonest at best from historical perspective.

My point is that everyone believes something and then aligns themselves with someone….be it right/center/left(if we use the terrible right/left dichotomy) Those who stay "out of debate" still align themselves eventually with the one who wins. For this reason I do not think it is good for Christians to be "apolitical". Look at American conservatives…did they conserve anything by being conservative and by voting for neocons? No, they just supported liberalism passively because they were and are useless centrist faction. In the long run they will just facilitate the decay because they simply back the liberal vanguard.

>>801037

Yeah I know we're not exactly on the same page but I am also not sure what political side I should be part of since all honest opposition to globohomo is vanquished and has been gone for years. I would not call myself apolitical though. I still care about politics, I am hopeful and I expect some honest opposition in future. We'll see.

Evola can be interesting to read but people who take his work as gospel are retarded nihilists. He has some good points but one needs to integrate them carefully AFTER one is fully grounded in faith(basically taking the good, leaving the bad). Doing so before let alone building the "faith" on his works can be only detrimental.

The reason why I argued against "not align ourselves" is that I see christians around me that think everything will be just fine if one keeps the faith for himself, does not talk about it publicly, does not criticize the decay of world we live in. Sticking our head in the sand will not help anything. Just living this life honestly, according to Christ and speaking truth in the face of general deceit today is more than enough. One does not need to larp as "Evolian aristocrat" or something of the sort. Those types just post on imageboards right after masturbating to anime porn or something similar. To use Evola's words what matters is the men who still stand among the ruins. I do not think larping as aristocrats without living virtuously counts as that.

This is what I mean…if we believe in something we should live it. If it comes to choosing sides each is encouraged to decide for himself but were there viable options, I would side with the side I would consider to be the good one…that's how I see it. Until then we should not keep our faith to ourselves, we should let it shine through the darkness no matter what our decision on "aligning"/"getting political" would be. Every day our interactions reflect our politics that come from our faith.

>>801172

I am sorry but it is nonsensical to attack an "ideology" for "not being christian enough" if your dissent is that you think Christianity should be the liberal mess it is in some churches today. In other words: They are as bad as those who claim the brand of Christainity for propagating their ideology, without caring for faith. It is no better because it is exactly the same. First comes the politics, then comes the rationalization through "faith". Exactly the inversion of proper order.

>>801334

>"ideology"

Why the quote marks?

It is an ideology.

>for "not being christian enough"

The Pope, lutheran prelates, and orthodox bishops had no problem rebuking certain far-right regimes in the past, while at the same time believing communism to be an antichristic threat to Christianity, or being in cordial relations with other autocratic and/or fascist regimes.

So no, im not becoming an apologist for any of these faggots, thank you very much.

>if your dissent is that you think Christianity should be the liberal mess it is in some churches today

Are these cheap threatrics supposed to impress me?

>>801477

There is nothing wrong with clerical fascism like that of the Romanian Iron Guard. That was an explicitly Orthodox movement.

National socialism is a mixed bag it has pagan but also Christian ideas.

>>801477

>Cheap theatrics.

lol. Yes...we're doing fine because the good guys won. Everything they said about bad guys must be true!

>quotation marks

because lots of those dissenters sided with the communist side because of one local problem they saw.

>So no, im not becoming an apologist for any of these faggots, thank you very much.

Ok. I am not becoming an apologist for any faggots screwing up my country and Europe. Thank you very much too.

As I have said I will rather pick something which is not perfect while not larping about how pure I am myself before picking the outright subersion and larpingabout it.

>>801714

Oh look it's the guy who posts masturbation memes with flood of greentext >>790995

You are the muh pol guy right?

>>801734

>>801497

>>800144

>inb4 this gets deleted

>>801714

see

>>777526

>>778143

>>778075

You see fact are sometimes better than memes about Hanzar division. Everyone knows the division existed. So what.

>>782918

I married a Christian Asian girl. Just make sure she is Christian.

>>795577

Favorite pic of 2019.

>>801795

That’s not very charitable. We should be trying to convert Germany to Orthodoxy.

Revenge is a shallow aim.

>>801807

>We should be trying to convert Germany to Orthodoxy.

fantasy

>>801884

How could you say that when today Christ is risen having destroyed death? Through Him all things are possible.

The pagan Roman Empire was converted through Him.

Also if Muslims overrun Germany they can then overrun all the other nations of Europe as well.

I really wonder which group talk only about Muslims but never about people who let them in. Who could it be?

Also the same peoplelike to use it's the germans argument a lot.

Who could it be? Nobody nose.

>>801795

Good to know what side you're on "it's the germans" anon.

I am not Orthodox but I do not hope any orthodox country will become muslim as a revenge.

>>801807

>That’s not very charitable

it's outright hate

>>801957

>How could you say that when today Christ is risen having destroyed death?

easily, out of hatred.

>>801795

That’s an awful thing to wish on anyone. There is no good reason to ever want a country to be run over like that.

anyone notice a number of Alt-Right e-celebs taking the "god pill"

Roosh V being the most significant but seems the most legit, he is not Christian and doesn't claim to be but is coming to some realizations, I believe the problem will be a few lesser e-celebs jumping on the bandwagon if it continues go down this road, they are not changing their beliefs, but just seem to be putting the reason for their white nationalism and alt-right beliefs is because of "God" rather than letting Christ shape their worldview and beliefs,

though God works in mysterious ways, perhaps through this evil, some good will come from it, in bringing people to the truth, they will be able to see truth, though their e-celeb shepherds might not be leading them to Him in good faith

I am dubious to there beliefs, perhaps because Christian Twitter is trendy right now,

>>802265

didn't he say he was an orthodox christian? ( armenian i think )

>>798885

Jews don't make us sin, but not even recent immigrants vote for more immigration yet we keep getting more. There have been 140 iq tyrants and oligarchs forever, but what is facing the west is a fire and jews are gasoline being poured on it.

I want to talk about the theological implications of Christian Identity but I don't know where to turn to. Most CI sites are about proving CI with evidence and reasoning and that's great and all, but I want to know the actual theological implications. Would my local priest get mad at me if I talk about my beliefs? Should I just turn to the Bible? I guess there are redpilled saints who hinted at being redpilled and knowing about it like Thomas Aquinas but I want someone living I can discuss this stuff with.

>>802479

Link to the interview?

>>802479

>>802582

found it

>>802479

>a decent thread about male sexuality

>in cuckchan /pol/

>almost no memeflags

That warmed up my heart a bit. Thanks, man.

>>802906

> even though it seems that RooshV has still some difficulty to take some responsibility for his past behaviors.

Obviously. But imagine having to come to terms with the fact that you have worked years for others to sin in the same manner as you while being a manwhore sleeping with thousands of women. I carry a baggage of one fornication and I can tell you I felt like crap, sometimes still do and I confessed 6 times at least. It cannot even imagine the difficulty of coming back after this since my journey was much easier.

But overall great interview

>>802906

>it seems that RooshV has still some difficulty to take some responsibility for his past behaviors.

Give him time, you can't just become a St. Augustine in a few months.

Heck I remember when I just went up for communion without knowing that a confession should first be made.

>>803135

This

lel

>>802125

>I am not Orthodox but I do not hope any orthodox country will become muslim as a revenge.

Because Orthodox countries have never back-stabbed their Christian brothers in order to aid the muslims, like the West has done.

It will be as God wills it in the end, all according to His divine sense of justice. He has no problems with wiping out peoples.

>>803537

>Because Orthodox countries have never back-stabbed their Christian brothers

Give me a break after wwii and wwi.

Give me a break.

>inb4 muh holy russia

>>803588

Read the sentence to the end you dimwit.

>>803588

Honest question: What are you referring to? In every case after WW1 and 2, afaik, Orthodox were victims. The Bolsheviks came after WW1 and Orthodox were killed by them. They didn't kill each other. Towards the end of WW1 (and after) the Armenian genocide also happened. So victims of Islam too. Then victims of Nazis during WW2 occupations (like the Serbs)… then Serbs suffered once again when the Communist took over too.

>>803600

Without wwii failure there would be no islamic invasion right now retard.

>>803625

>In every case after WW1 and 2, afaik, Orthodox were victims.

I do not claim Orthodox created communism. But without Russian influence and Russian allying with the west, wwi would not have happened. The red army was full of orthodox people. And they did not stop the red revolution. I know they suffered under communism…but guess what…most european catholic countries took the hard stance against it before and during the world war two. Germany stopped the revolution. Hungary defeated communists too. Russia did not do this and everything that happened afterwards is a fault of someone else right?

Now everything is blamed on us with every country claiming to be the biggest victim of world war two. Meanwhile the Europe is screwed up for good. I do respect white army in Russia, no doubt. But I will not take the eternal victim story. Either Russians give up their victim complex with "muh patriotic war" and stop putting people in jail for claiming otherwise or communism was really bad for them. You cannot have it both ways, sorry.

As I have said I hold no grudge against Orthodoxy or Russia for what I think they did wrong. Let alone hope they will be overrun by invasion. Can you imagine such hatred towards Germany? Read what the guy wrote there and tell me it is "justified".

And stop playing the eternal victim, it is just annoying or I will bring up Russians sucking up to muh Stalin to this day because muh patriotism.

>Serbs

Yeah well maybe if Serbs did not help the communists in wwii and communism was defeated maybe things would have been different you know. For example Romania allied with Germany. Surprise surprise.

All I will say that each country now tries to shill lies about this event because of money or patriotic feels with nobody seeing that lies hurt everyone.

I do not doubt that God has no problem wiping out peoples and I trust his will but again…stop playing the eternal victim while thinking it is good for Europe to be overrun because muh holy russia. First it is disgusting, second it is just a version of orthodox revisionist history.

>>803625

>>803725

Italy did not bow down to communism

Spain did not bow down to communism

Germany did not bow down to communism

Romania did not bow down to communism

Croatia did not bow down to communism

Slovakia did not bow down to communism

Hungary did not bow down to communism

Why do not they play the eternal victim with everything?

>>803730

What's the point of your post?

Those guys are miserable with the porn addiction.

Here there are also anons who are deep into porn habit. Glowing over someone else's problems just because he dislikes your favorite pastor/disagrees with you….It's beyond pathetic tbh. I feel bad for those guys.

Guess what. I am also /pol/, I hate race mixing and I am more than a year and a half without masturbation. You think that makes it good to glow over somebody losing their soul to satan just because "muh pol".

This is nothing short of disgusting. They do not defend interracial porn. They confess how great a problem they have with those satanic images and you name the file "it;s okay when we do it".

Sorry this is just disgusting from you…and also it's a bait I know…I took it. Enjoy! Now go glow over that.

>>787090

https://lozierinstitute.org/how-the-legal-status-of-abortion-impacts-abortion-rates/

The studies he's talking about are braindead retarded

>>803737

Ok I see we will agree that on /pol/ there are retards that think "muh anderson racemix wedding" is a proof of Christianity being jewish etc.

I see now. It's as tiresome as racemixing baits here on Christian. I think I should end the discussion here otherwise I will get yet another ban. kek.

>>803726

Very few of those countries had small fortunes sent to communists in their capitols during a chaotic world war. It really takes a 4D chess master though to connect commies with the people who fought them.

>>803842

*The Jews financed the Bolsheviks.

>>803725

Are you saying Orthodox Christians were not victims under communism? Just stop with the craziness.

This is just more Slavs vs Germans d&c garbage. I feel like yawning its so rehearsed. Rehashing the world wars. Rehashing the 20th century. Naval gazing at it's finest.

Thirsting for revenge and vendettas become slavery of the soul just like the passions.

>>803725

What are you talking about? I thought you had some strange point I overlooked, but it appears you don't read even a little history. Orthodox were killed in a civil war that erupted right after the Bolsheviks took power. They DID try to fight. Almost all bishops were slaughtered, and countless Christians dead or enslaved. There were no actual Orthodox in the red army. Eventually the Soviets racked up a deathtoll of millions of Christians. Around 12 million by liberal estimates and 20 million by others.

If you're a Christian, you should honor them for keeping the faith instead of spreading nonsense.

>>803931

>>803956

>>803842

You see…nobody now takes the time to read the initial post.

I know jews financed communism, I know they were the most prominent bolsheviks. I know Slavs suffered under communism. So were in Germany, Hungary, Spain and so on. In those countries, they were not however let into power with later claims it helped their patriotic defense.

What I see is that Russia had a part in starting wwi, whether you like it or not, and I wish they did not lose their fight against bolshevik rev., I really do. But that is history…Red army was not just atheists since russians were not completely atheistic nation. And I would not even mind that…it is logical that not everyone will let oneself be sent to gulag. What i do mind is Russia now playing the eternal victim saying wwii was "patriotic war". The wwii screwed up my country and the whole europe, and no I am not German. One side claiming the victimhood in everything is really, really annoying. My nation was subdued under communism in the "great era" of "holy russia" as some retards, even orthodox, see it now.

The initial post was that Germans deserve to be replaced because muh victim orthodoxes. Read the **** post. >>801795

And tell me…do you think this is true and justified?

If you think so we need not discuss anything any longer.

>Thirsting for revenge and vendettas become slavery of the soul just like the passions.

You mean like >>801795 ? I am not that pathetic, I hold no grudge against orthodox.

>germans deserve to be overrun

>muh holy russia

>hey bro you are hateful, Russia did make some mistakes

>oy vey

You play the eternal victim card here to fuel hatred against the german brothers and you're surprised that anyone dares to disagree.

We should stop the divide and conquer crap right here. All I am saying if you guys want to claim victimhood in bolshevism, do not claim the same cancer saved you during wwii because "muh patriotism". All I want is a drop of honesty and actually reading what I am reacting to.

Thank you.

>>803981

It is also our fault; we sucked up all the degeneracy because we wanted that type of “freedom” and pretended that that form of slavery could work within Weastern civilisation and next to Christianity.

As for the current pope and his desire to kiss feet, that is a gesture that speak about the man Jorge Bergoglio and not the papacy as a whole. I may not love the guy, but he’s the pope has decided we needed…and some popes are sent as a punishment, to quote St. Vincent of Lérins.

>>804000

>Russia only defended its ally. Germany and Austria started the war.

Highly debatable. Following the assasination Austria was right to react in the way they did. And it was Russia who mobilized first.

If the same thing happened to USA, everyone would be screaming shit about how justified it was to start a war. But Germany and Austria were not as war thirsty as Russia and France. France literally gave a blank check to Russia which disguised their political goals behind the guise of "defending Serbia".

>And it's better now since communism collapsed?

I have never said that. Americanism is as shitty as communism, even worse. That does not make the era under communism good for my country. And Russia came here and slaughtered my people when they were doing good just because "muh fascism".

Thinking I like judeo-americanism just because I spit on communism is retarded.

>The only great power in Europe other than the JewSA is Russia, the only hope for Christianity in Europe is the Orthodox Russian Empire.

Doubt that. JewSA is crap but I would not put my hopes in Russia, let alone orthodox empire.

The only hope for Europe is Europe itself, as it was 100 years ago. Yes... Russia would be a good ally but I have my doubts it will happen.

>Nope, Germans in Germany financed Lenin, while both Non-Jews and Jews from America financed the Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil war.

The revolution was as jewish as its finances. Read encyclopedia Judaica. they boast about it there. Few "german" sources of money will not change that.

>>804000

And...Russia itself is no longer Europe...maybe its most western parts can be considered Europe

Ukraine is still europe..but claiming "Russia is in Europe"...nope.

>Orthodox Russian Empire.

That does not exist anymore. And when it was a thing it was no hope fur us...refer to wwi.

>>804060

Yes the Ultimatum could have been up to debate. But the fact remains that Russia mobilized on the 30th of July, Germany told them to stop 31th, Russia went ahead so Germany mobilized on the 1st then.

>You're so high on German revisionist propaganda it's just ridiculous and offensive.

Just because I do not think only Austria Hungary and Germany are to be blamed for the war? ok.

>Russia didn't need a blank check from France because it joined a defensive war.

Russia did receive a blank check that France would back them no matter what.

>ut because I am a Christian (are you?)

Not even going to respond to this horseshit

>Muh Churchill.

all right. I am not saying Serbia should have accepted the ultimatum...but they should have considered some kind of agreement with AH. He may not have ties to the government but the serbian press was, as far as I know, glowing over that. Given the circumstances...if this happened to USA/Russia, I do not think they would treat the other country any different.

And Germany did try to back off with their blank check when it was going downhill.

>You're a clueless kid.

great argument.

If Germany was prepared for war they would not have mobilized after Russia. And they would not urge them not to mobilize.

tl dr. I am not the one blaming ONE side for creating wwi. You are. I am saying both sides screwed up the big time. And eventually it led to Versailles, bolshevik revolution, then wwii and then to the world as we know it today.

Larping about "holy europe" or "holy russia" will not help anything.

>Because you don't understand politics. 100 years ago Europe ruled almost the entire world and was home to 6 of 7 Great Powers, now everyone but Russia lacks the military capability to fight back the US.

I know Russia is doing better than us right now. But I am yet to see their influence here come out as good. The last time my country was enslaved under communism, no thanks.

I will be skeptic about that.

Perhaps you are too high on orthodox nationalist podcast or something similar. Muh god emperor putin amirite? That's as pathetic as cucks worshiping Trump

>>804078

If you don't mind me asking, what is your country?

How did /christian/ political chat become Slavs vs Germans d&c 20th century rehash? The elite Anglo-Jewish establishment literally had conferences where they said it's their strategy to get Germany and Russia to murder each other.

The Jew is robbing both blind while this vain rivalry distracts them.

Just look at (((who))) benefited from the 20th century and it ain't Germans or Slavs.

>>804129

I do mind that a bit because I do not want to give too much info on me.

I am not German and ethnically I am Slavic. Enough for you? Should be enough to tell you that my loyalties as far as blood is concerned are not with Germany, right?

>>804125

>there's no debating this. Austria and Germany are to blame.

There is no debating this because the defeated never writes the history at all. They had to take all the blame after they lost but they were hardly the only one warmongering around.

We also could go all the way and dispute about who started wwii. Will we accomplish anything by that?

As I have said let's end it here. Obviously we will not agree on history. I do not think Austria and Germany should take all blame for starting the war, I think the other side has guilt too. You think otherwise, be my guest.

Just do not be annoying by claiming that "orthodox dindu nuffin never". It is just irritating and it is not true.

>muh US.

You really think somebody with my opinions will take US as anything good in any aspect whatsoever? You do not need to tell me america's reasons are full of shit. I just pointed out that no empire/no country would have just chilled out after such an assasination. None. Not even Russia.

>>804210

>>804125

Again I will refer to this: >>801795 post. I simply pointed out Germans deserve to stay Germans. And that jut because "muh wwii and poor orthos" they do not deserve to be replaced.

If you have issue with that I do not care who you are, your thinking reaches talmudic levels of hatred towards your European brothers. Mask it under guise of Christianity, or whatever, it is still hatred.

>How did /christian/ political chat become Slavs vs Germans d&c 20th century rehash?

Simple. Some orthodox retard saying Germany deserves to be overrun posting half of the quotes from """doubious""" resources.

And it is wrong to think it is Slavs vs Germans. This is the divide and conquer they want. That's why I will not hate germany or russia. We need to stop being autistic and putting blame on one country alone and hating them..be it germans on slavs, or slavs on germans. It is really tiresome.

Seriously...if I have to explain why a country deserves to live in peace and should not be overrun just because some retarded ortholarper is revenge hungry, then just f*ck off. Seriously.

I am out of this conversation for good.

>>804228

German Christian here, thank you for your support Slavic anon. I converted from /pol/ to Christianity, because I couldn't stand the hate anymore.

Love and peace to you, God bless you!

>>804364

Hey German brother, good to see you here too.

/pol/ is a mess these days.

How should a Christian man present himself?

>>805156

>the only reason the Vatican went along with it

????

>>805156

This is the same reasoning as the Confederacy fought a war of aggression against the Union. The Nazi war with the USSR was closer to being a war of aggression, but once again, looking at the actual situation, it was the preemptive strike that the same liars say the US war on Iraq was.

US government think if X starts a war with Y, then it must be X's aggression, while simultaneously, wars of aggression are good as long as the US government says there is some human rights or wmd proliferation thing. These people think that US sanctions aren't acts of war and that the US putting bases and carriers and no-fly zones near a country isn't aggression.

The US empire is collapsing now, Venezuela still has le evil dictator instead of the CIA shill. In a decade no one will remember being a US government shill and that they accused Germany of causing WWI and WWII.

>>805176

Did the Vatican rebuke Austria and Germany for the war? Not that I know of. AFAIK some Vatican ambassador (?) was even told by some Austrian foreign minister (?) that a war against Serbia was in the works BEFORE the assassination even happened.

>>805188

>This is the same reasoning as the Confederacy fought a war of aggression against the Union.

You mean the Union aggression against the Confederacy? Yes and no, since technically the Confederacy was ruled by Washington previously, so one could argue that it was a war for reclaiming lost territory. This wasn't the case with Serbia.

>>805156

I already told you why I think what I think. I heard your arguments thousands times in history lessons, you think I did not consider them?

I also told you my sources. The dates are common knowledge. I get it. You are a serb and you will disagree. Honestly I do not care.

If you are the retard that think it is good Germans are being replaced now, as I have said, kindly f*ck off.

Otherwise God bless you.

>>805383

>I also told you my sources. The dates are common knowledge.

The dates for what? Russia mobilized in response to the Austrian attack on Serbia, Russia did not escalate first. My opinion is based on the arguments I presented, not on my nationality. You didn't give any counter-arguments yet you insist on your opinion, this is prideful. I don't care about "winning" Internet debates, I just wanted to set the record straight in order to not give tinfoilhat revisionism ("all history is wrong hurr durr") free reign. As for the Germans, if it wasn't for them, most of the Western Balkans would be ethnically Serb, but now large parts of the population are Muslim here. When large parts of the population on German ancient land are Muslim as well, justice will have been done.

I think the most disgusting thing about the whole affair is that the Czar not only had protection of Slavs in mind, but had a longterm view of eventually reclaiming Constantinople. Both Britain and France agreed to this as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinople_Agreement

What did Austria and Germany do? Allied with the Turks.

Are there any good books on Christian rhetoric? I can use reason and facts pretty well but I feel like I need to work on persuasive wording.

Is /christian/ largely distributist, monarchist, and Fascist?

>>805769

I'd say yes.

>>805769

I would say that at least 85% of us, with our own “peculiar opinions” on certain themes and topics, fall in those three categories.

>>805769

>distributist, monarchist

Yes, probably.

>fascist

That term doesn't mean much. Anything that is not communism or bourgeois democracy is labeled as fascist nowadays.

>>806278

>Anything that is not communism or bourgeois democracy is labeled as fascist nowadays.

I'm not sure why we should self-label according to the SJW understanding of politics.

>>805769

Fascism is just a modern variant of monarchism, the problem is that it never lasted long enough to stratify society in a sustainable way. Even though the SS were filthy pagans, they were the beginnings of a new warrior estate which could function the same way as it did in hereditary monarchies.

Hereditary monarchy also has loads of problems, namely incest, infant kings, interregnums, civil wars of inheritance, and many others and these things are unavoidable as proven by history and CK2. Fascism can solve these.

>>508486

so on christian pol do you say "blessed" instead of based and "breadpilled" instead of redpilled

>>805769

I know I am. Honestly really love distributism, it's the third alternative and it's the best alternative.

That and monarchy

>>805769

I myself prefer democracy similar forms of government, but for the most part /christian/ is probably monarchist

>>806309

If it's modern, it isn't anything alike. Fascism often is rooted in Darwinian ideas especially. Not divine right. Even a child could be a king…

>>806346

I haven't really understood distributism, anon. Do you think you could clarify it for me?

>>806759

It combines the good parts of Capitalism and Socialism

>>806745

It's not true. Mussolini was a fedora and Hitler was a deist, but Codreanu and Degrelle were Christians. The divine right thing is a technicality rather than a principle, since a fascist ruler could also be crowned king.

>>806745

lmao it is rooted in the idea that monarchies do not grow on trees

Some of you may or may not know that the Alabama senate is currently discussing on passing a bill that would make performing abortions a felony. The bill is made on purpose to head up to the Supreme Court. I don't think that Justice Roberts will go for it, and it will likely be for naught. However, it is admirable that a state is taking some form of action that could lead to a good result for the innocent children.

>>806961

I say the state should pass and enforce it regardless of the courts,and should these judges feel so strongly then let them enforce their ruling themselves

>>806992

>>806961

Didn't Texas do something like this and try to make abortion punishable by Death? Isn't the state still "debating" about that?

I pray to God that both of those states end up passing those bills. Murderers are murderers.

>>787541

Its a bit disingenuous, it depends on what you define as white. Besides, those white nationalists are mostly Americans not Europeans

>>787541

This picture doesn't represent a veiwpoint that anyone actually holds.

>>807229

speak for yourself

>>807477

there is literally nothing wrong (in principal) with censorship. Seperation from lies as an individual can be prudent and good for you, likewise it can be good for societies. You are not immune to propaganda. unconditional anti censorship is surrendering your mind to be bombarded by anything that wishes to influence you. I am a big believer in segregation in all it's forms, including censorship as a way of making it easier to do the right thing, and orient yourself in proper order.

obviously I am not extreme in this regard, I don't like censorship, but I do believe it is legitimate, the most obvious case being with lewd things and inappropriate content being shown to children, which even monkeys regard as inappropriate.

Catholic social teaching > lolbertarianism. Liberalism is materialistic, abusive towards Christians, and self defeating.

ie you cannot segregate (and thereby censor) yourself from things which you rightly ought to censor yourself from seeing, and claim it is bad for society to do the same.

>>807668

Not an american, or very familiar with your politics, but from what i've see, AOC just does vague left-wingish populism.

And given how much BS banks pull with students and the general public, of course she's gonna throw some hits against those faggots, too.

>>807668

>Is she /ourgirl/?

Absolutely not.

>>807668

She's a retarded creatura and has neither integrity, nor goodwill nor faith. Believing in the judeo-democratic political process, let alone the bought politicians is pure credulousness.

>>807668

vile bolshevik

>>785051

It’s more likely the whites are like the Israelites, that they’re going through this state because of their apostasy, and they’ll return to peace once they come back to God. I don’t think they’re going to be replaced.

SCHLOP

>>807668

No politician is of Christ.

>>807499

Agreed. Although there is plenty wrong with the measures that censors sometimes go to achieve this on a wide scale. Often in the past, it could be murderous even (like in Communism). Right now, the left relies on lying and half-truths. The Church could more easily accomplish it through family and community, in less direct ways.

That said, I was fine living in a libertarian society too. "In all things be content", as St. Paul said. I could play by the rules. But the left wanted to open Pandora's Box again. This country's (USA) founders successfully closed that box for quite some time by promoting a modern, libertarian environment, but if these people want to open the box again, they need to realize that they're not always going to be ones with power. A more religious society could gain ground again, and since the Pandora's Box of censorship was pried opened already, the religiously minded will happily (and hopefully, responsibly) make better use of it. But these secular people and tech firms and what have you are strangely shortsighted if they think that laying the groundwork of a censorship based society is only going to be in their benefit. It just takes one swing of the pendulum in the other direction and suddenly they're the ones who are outlawed.

They've even made it easier for the Church, since the Left is highly moralistic in it's approach. Granted, it's more of a PC based morality, but that alone just made the idea of morality digestible to society again. All that needs to be done now is a more developed view of morality to come in, and not one based on critical theory and identity politics.

Before all of this, in the libertarian landscape, people relied more on rationalism to prove the worth of things. But the left decided to use morals. Now if someone else comes in and takes their power, they can do the same thing and not waste time arguing like modernism/libertarian does. Enough people can simply say: "You're not going to do this because we said so." Sounds good to me. It will always just depend on who it is.

>>800272

>global marxist agenda

Ha!

I wish!

Neoliberals are not marxists, marxists have no power almost anywhere, not since the unions were smashed to bits by heartless avarice riddled capitalists in the twentieth century, especially during ww1/2…

>>801714

>help the rise of communist and capitalism

What are you, an anarchist?

>>809586

>Neoliberals are not marxists, marxists have no power almost anywhere

this is true, what you have now is people adopting superficial elements of marxism but not the whole of it,

I think this also explains, why the leftist states of the early XX century seemed to behave more right wing than the west kinda like when the soviet union rejected modern art for a time favoring "socialism realism" or when stalin gulag'd all the fags

>>809648

>this is true, what you have now is people adopting superficial elements of marxism but not the whole of it,

>

>I think this also explains, why the leftist states of the early XX century seemed to behave more right wing than the west kinda like when the soviet union rejected modern art for a time favoring "socialism realism" or when stalin gulag'd all the fags

Marxism originally focused on class struggles and property owners vs labor. They could adopt any variety of social norms whilst focusing on class as their main concern. Even Leninism was the same, but the difference is that it didn't think that Marx was "quick" enough. It's the impatient (and merciless) little brother. Marx was more Darwinian and took a eon-spanning view of history, where he thought that things would "inevitably" evolve to his classless utopia through stages. Lenin believed you needed revolution to force this (and somehow thinking this would never create resentment). Which made it so terrifying and bloody in comparison. But either way, as disquieting as they are, both were essentially focused on Class. It had nothing to do with examining every area of life (unless that area had an effect on class and labor somehow).

That all changed with Critical Theory, which proposed that it wasn't mere class struggle that was the root of all of society's problems, but the dynamics of the "Oppressors/Oppressed". It applied the same fervor it once had about Class Struggle to every other aspect of life. This is what created identity politics, and when all social norms could be broken down and reimagined. Male vs Female, Young vs Old, Straight vs Gay (now "Cis" vs "LGBTQABCEFG+"); categorizing race relations into even more minute areas (and creating more division rather than seeing individuals); validating every worldview no matter how insane (furries, otherkin, pedophiles, scat, diaper fetishes, "vampires", etc). And by allowing every single voice to be heard and literally anyone encouraged to adopt the label of "oppressed" on any given day, society has deteriorated into utter degradation. Ironically, it's the same degradation that a Libertarian (*cough* Libertine) society has always advocated for. This new Marxism has strangely mutated into the same thing as Libertarianism. Both result in the Maquis De Sade, basically.

In any case, they all need Jesus. Right and Left alike.

>>809586

>>809905

>>809648

Actually, they are doing this because they have no other shit to stick to. Marxism is dying, as weird as it sounds.

The industrial society Marx ranted about has turned post-industrial, and it doesn't really fit his theories.

The means of production have been outsourced to Asia nowadays(and the chinese are capitalist , and are smashing actual marxists that are trying to organize workers into independent unions, outside the toothless state one), and the only true "native" proles are blue-collar trade workers(but they are specialized conservative right-wingers that are earning quite well nowadays), and people working in minimum wage jobs.

Colonialism is dead, too.

So they are stuck with:

a)women and sexual minorities:

That is a remnant of an infiltration campaign the Kremlin did among feminists and gay rights groups during the Cold War.

https://aeon.co/essays/the-radical-roots-of-gay-liberation-are-being-overlooked

That still works because as >>809905 says, you can apply Critical theory intersectionalist BS in those places;

b)Ethnic minorities and immigrants:

A result of similar anti-colonial and pro-black agendas Moscow poked in the past.

But again, those are dead, due to Civil Rights Movements and decolonization achieving their official goals.

So they are now stuck with the generic "le poor brown people" and "muh poor third worlders opressed by the evul West".

c)Environment:

What better way to say capitalism needs to go than the fact that our modern economy is literally killing the planet.

Sadly, this is something that might be exploited big time in the future.

Look at the evolution of the Fourth International, for example, and you can see all these changes in narrative over the past 50 years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International

In my opinion, if the right-wing was smart, they could extinguish marxist filth really fast through 4 means:

a)ridicule everyone who even hints at "opressor/opressed" narratives as being commies;

b)accuse anyone promoting immigration of wanting to ruin both the sending and receiving countries, by brain-draining the third world, preventing them from developing, and lowering wages for the first, for no good reason.

That works because it touches not pie-in-the-sky feels, but the people's wallet, and people are always sensitive about that stuff.

You can even frame it as a left-wing concern.

https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2018/11/the-left-case-against-open-borders/

c)reinvigorate the unions, so they take care of the stuff leftist politicians are currently doing, poorly.

Ironically, for all the shit we give them, Sweden is doing that really well,

d)become big time environmentalists, but in the Teddy Roosevelt/Nazi Germany type of way, not hippies.

This would flush out leftists from green parties, fragment their voting area, and make environmentalism something that makes economic sense.

That would make the West energy independent, which would be a massive thing, and would stop funding Saudi petro-islam campaigns(which also means less radicalized muslims, especially in Europe)

I can't stress that last point enough.

The greens have been growing pretty big in the last Euro elections, especially among young germans, due to the whole climate thing.

>>789377

Take up your cross and follow the Lord, even if it costs you everything. Pray for strength in hard times like these.

lel

>>806961

"What good is defending America - if our traditions don't survive with it?"

-JFK

>>508486

Should asexuality be encouraged in the church? It seems like it can be based so long as you don’t mix it with the queer or other sinful orientations.

>>810635

No. If you are a priest you should be called for celibacy. If you are single you should be called for chastity. When you get married you should be fruitful and multiply. The fruits of asexuality would be a dead Christianity. Without a future generation to pass down to traditions of Christianity there would be no more Christianity. There would be Islam but not Christianity. So, no, don't be encouraging that sort of retardation.

>>810647

one of the reasons for Mormonism's success in the US is its insistence that their members get married young and pop out as many kids as possible.

likewise, one of the reasons Manichaeism was ultimately defeated (aside from persecution by China and other religions), is that, while permitting sex, they discouraged procreation.

>>810647

>priest

But wouldn’t that be the perfect job for asexual Christians? If they aren’t into anyone, then there’s no need to worry about pedophilia or sex scandals in the church

>>810677

No, because a priest is supposed to still be masculine and have masculine traits.

>>810713

Then what about monks or nuns? Less temptation that way

>>787541

I can't feel at home in Africa, even if it was 100% Christian. They are too different from me and we see each other as strangers. Inevitably the manufactured mass movement of different peoples to my country will cause thedisenfranchisement of my people in favour of theirs with governments using their presence in my country as an excuse to slam the boot down upon my peoples neck under the guise of antiracism. God does not demamd that I give my country to these people and I will not. White nationalism goes away when they aren't in my country anymore.

>>789377

>ethnic cleansing

Stopped reading there

Would Jesus really be an open borders hippie that so many leftists try to portray him as? I see so many people using out of context bible verses to mold Jesus into a way that suites their political views. Is there any way to combat this?

>Sargon

>Amazing banana

>Mundanematt

>Mumkey Jones

>Atheism is wife beating

Why is the youtube ((Skeptic)) full of backstabbing faggots that act no different from the SJWs and Thin skin snow flake male feminists they make fun of?

https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Atheism-is-unstoppable

>>811520

>pride hat

>on Christian board

>>811379

Once you realize people are much more flawed than they let on and being under constant scrutiny from literally thousands of people on a daily basis makes those problems rise to the surface. If these people decided not to make youtube channels or give themselves platforms to speak on, they would just be some sort of funny headline or green text story by someone on an imageboard.

>>811379

Post youtubers and videos that avoid drama

>>811832

>>798885

I wouldn’t be so blackpilled. It’s not beyond God to restore order. We know this is happening because of apostasy. However because of the state of the West many are coming back to Him. I wouldn’t expect the destruction of the West, this is more like a large trial for Christians in the West. Remember how there were foreigners in Israel when Israel started to act up? And they would leave once Israel got itself together?

>>812048

To be fair I didn't even know June was supposed to be "pride month" until it was heavily astroturfed this year.

>>812069

Seems to be the worst I've seen to date as far as astroturfing goes

>>798885

The West will fall, the question is just whether it will be a natural disintegration (like the Roman Empire) or total genocide (like the Jews have in mind). Man's sin is responsible for his downfall, but the Jews exacerbate it. They are the ultimate enemy in our theology, the "children of Satan" (John 8:44) and the "enemies of mankind" (1 Thessalonians 2:15). You can hate both the Jews and sin, and you should.

I'm convinced that the battle of Revelation will be fought between the true faithful of Christ, against the Jews and their servant hordes.

>>807668

I thought she was muslim or have I had the wrong politician all along?

>>812177

You are thinking of Ilhan Omar.

>>811379

It's Sargon of Applebee's not just Sargon, anon. Speaking of Sargon of Applebee's, how long until Sargon of Applebee's actually ends up working at an Applebee's in the future since he's the laughing stock across all of the UK and his YouTube channel is under fire.

>>811576

Good analysis, anon. That's even more true do to the fact that Sargon of Applebee's loves to "borrow" memes from both 4chan's & 8chan's /pol/ and/or other imageboard memes like KEKism & meme magic years ago.

>>812908

But what if subversives try to subtly push feminism and lgbt nonsense into guillibe people and therefore undermining our society and values? are we going to cuck out to them?

>>812908

>if you don't like TED talk about promoting pedophilia, don't listen to it.

So what do we do if we don't like pedophilia becoming normalized to the masses? Are you suggesting we have a peaceful discussion with the fanatical enemies of all things good? A little friendly argument with people who want us dead and our kids raped? Pooh off, and pooh your precious freedumbs.

>>813093

>Enjoy your Sabbath day.

Are you some sort of Judaizer? Christians don't celebrate the Sabbath we celebrate the Lord's day.

>>813102

What you describe is just apathy toward evil. You will be held accountable for it.

It's day 10 of this fag month shit and I can't winnie the pooh stand it.

>>813551

He was, as his contemporaries attest, a most honourable gentleman. Very much unlike his Union counterparts, such as Sherman, and Grant, who both rank very very low by such standards.

>Did he pick winners?

No.

>Was the cause righteous?

Scantily, and only because federalism is the more miserable version of republicanism. Am I a republican so as to care about their squabbles? Nope, I'm afraid that as a hard-core absolutist, I must declare for federalism in the name of the same pragmatism which reasoned me into absolutism.

In short, he was a true follower of Christ in a godless and immoral age. It seems like a petty martyrdom to be sent to, but I think that's just the appearance in the rear-view mirror. Sometimes the best of us are sent to do the smallest things.

>>813585

>>813551

I don't agree with the south,nor do I really care about the statues since they lost anyway. We don't have statues of Benedict Arnold up just because he was a traitor from our side. We don't honor the Brits that died during the revolution all that well, so why do we honor the confederacy? The way the south clings to it's "confederate heritage" is practically akin to how Scandinavians cling to viking mythology. We won, you're part of the US, get over it. At the very least, they shouldn't be kept in public/state owned parks and monuments.

The only reason I oppose the current movement to tear down the statues is it's motivation, ie that it's not PC to have confederate stuff up. While slavery is bad, that's no reason to take it down, especially since Washington and other founding fathers had them. Take it down because it's unamerican, not that it's racist.

For the record, i'm an Ohioan, ie where Grant and most of the reconstruction era republicans were from and the first state to outlaw slavery, so that may influence my views on patriotism just a tad…

>>813607

The South is the only mainland portion of America to have ever been invaded and occupied by America. Sherman's March to the Sea was particularly brutal. Believe it or not, roots still go pretty deep and it still stings. Those monuments are a testament to American Unity. Rather than punishing the Confederates and subjugating them (more than they already did, and they did greatly) which would have just lead to another rebellion, they showed admiration and respect. Shame is powerful, and using it too much only digs two graves. They are absolutely a part of the Southern identity, and if America wants the South it must, by extension, become a part of the American identity. Comparing the Confederacy to Vikings is ridiculous; the Vikings are tourist attraction, the Confederacy was a state whose people are only several generations removed. The South and Appalachia is the American Balkans really. A lot of sadness and hardship caused by insiders and outsiders throughout its history. Unity comes with a price.

>>813551

Lee is a hero. That it has become contrarian to defend him is a sign of the times.

>>813930

>Also, I just want to note that I don't think we should tear down statues of the founding fathers because they owned slaves.

what's the problem with owning a servant?

>>813930

> I view Southerners as my brothers, but I know that sentiment isn't reflected all that much.

>the triumph of unity over division.

North and South are still as divided as ever. The current abortion debate proves that.

>>813607

>unamerican

You do realize that would mean the whole revolutionary war was unamerican for committing treason against the crown.

>>813905

>>813907

I agree the Union should retain more pride, but that is the northerners concern. Either way, the Union got the victory and were allowed to do whatever they deemed necessary to punish and reform the South. The admiration and respect of the Confederacy was fought and earned. The South never forgot, mainly because it wasn't to big with immigrants like the North. You're 4th generation, I have family going back to the founding. I had family who fought on both sides (West Virginian, another example of division). Part of the reason the North isn't as proud is that they've lost that identity to the sea of various immigrants they widely took in 100 years ago. South is on it's way out too, but that's a modern issue.

As for slavery, it was about slavery for the noble class in the South, economic conquest for the Northern nobles, and about the greater ideals of unity and freedom for the lower classes respectively. the Emancipation Proclamation only freed the slaves in the South, not in the North. That took years afterwards to abolish.

>>813907

I'm not playing "brutality olympics", I'm explaining why the South is so fervently loved and kept. I find it disturbing that somehow because people also suffered greatly somewhere else that makes what happened to the South right or excusable. The common man didn't care about slavery, but they were pissed about his home being seized and razed, his sisters and brothers brutalized and suffering. I have nothing but sympathy for all people who suffer like that, and I understand why people hold onto the past. Saying "live and let live, you're wrong we were right" is only going to piss them off and ensure a later rebellion. America has done well to quell that notion and settle that dispute, and those memorials should stand as a testament to unity and respect.

>>814248

What was deleted?

>>814248

Don't know why my post calling racism racism got nuked, but I don't care because that's what your argument about the phasing out of the native population was… speaking as a former WN who turned away from that ideology because of my conversion to Christianity.

Saying we should deny foreigners, even if they were brought here against their will, the most basic of human rights in fear that they outbreed and overthrow us is a textbook argument for ethnonationalism, and is blatantly anti-christian as a result. I don't care if the mods get butthurt at me calling you that.

>and yet, Jews are saved before Gentiles.

The last shall be first and the first shall be last… So the exact opposite is the case.

>and yet, he's not in favor of Cain.

You mean the man who needlessly killed his brother? What does this have to do with anything?

>perhaps you meant, when we are being judged by GOD, meat is still a meat.

And men are men and should be treated as such according to the law of Christ, alien or otherwise.

>if it wasn't just, they will be punished of course.

So freedom to murder someone at will and treat them akin to objects is just?

What happened here?

lel

>>814310

There was a firefight

>>814310

>>814359

A Civil War :D

>>805769

I like the second and third but I am better educated about the third.

>>806745

Not so much. There are darwinian fascists but also fascists who clearly reject darwinism.

But yeah…especially american far right is

on good terms with darwinism.

>>811566

based.

>>812048

In my country I do not see it yet. On 8ch it is talked about a lot. I wonder what other western countries look like right now.

Is it shilled in US???

>>813551

I do like the guy

>>814310

Just another case of fighting about history/politics or whatever with guys getting banned. no big deal

>>814669

>Is it shilled in US???

Shilled hard

Can someone Bred/Red-pill me on "judeo-christanity"? meaning its values ethics, its creation and its purpose.

I see it talked about a lot by "intelecutalls" and it also seems to get pushed onto the populus. How far does it differ from chirstianity and why is it a bad thing?

>>814838

The worst thing is this is coming to my country too. Can you imagine the powerlessness one feels?

>Hey guys the transfaggotry is coming here too

No…you are just paranoic..yeah UK/US screwed up but that is it

>Look they are already pushing it

what do you have against gays?

>It is sin/STD stats/etc

You are just a bigot calm down nothing is going on.

Literally every conversation with liberal christians. Lately I argued with a catholic and a prot that it is a sin they tried to convince me otherwise. Can you imagine how bad one feels. We could prevent it from happening here…but we won't because everyone will shout you are a crazy bigot/nazi/whatever term they can think of.

>>814839

Christianity - Jesus Christ is God, literally an incarnation of Logos.

Judaism - built on a premise that Jesus Christ is not God. Literally the rejection of Logos. They still wait for their "messiah".

Now every "intellectual" who uses the term is either un educated or a subversive shill. Judeochristian is an oxymoron.

My recommendation for you is to read st.John Chrysostom - 8 homilies against the jews to get the idea how Judaizing tendencies and Christianity cannot go together. It is just like fire and water. One neutralizes the other.

>Why is it bad

It is used to numb down and ultimately uproot christianity. I know I will get lot of fire from jew lovers who are on this board too. Even for mentioning st. John Chrysostom but really…please be open to discussion and take your time to read the homilies. It will give you a solid ground to build upon when talking to judaizers/jews/shills.

tl dr. There is no such thing as judeochristian. The term is an absolute insult to our Lord Jesus Christ.

>>814846

>inb4 hateful bigot for saying this.

This is what many church fathers said too and nobody calls them names.

Grow up.

>>814359

>>787541

imagine some britclown posting these same strawmen in India in the 1930s. if you think 30 million nuevo gotticos crossing the Rio Grande have any right to control the destiny of the USA, I got a box of fresh rasberries for you. If you think, Islamo-zealots have any right to the USA, rasberries. if you think heathen asians have a right, rasberries. if you think it is racist to enforce law and order on the black underclass, rasberries. I reject any suggestion Europeans have sole access to salvation, but God forbid any attempt by heathen aliens to drag the USA and heritage Americans into the pit with them and their satanic totems.

Noobie Christian /pol/ack here

How does Christianity work when it comes to war? Turn the other cheek and pray for your enemies seem to indicate Jesus was a pacifist, yet some people are all about Crusading the heretics.

"Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.""

What about race mixing? "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

or winnie the pooh, what about not wanting your country filled with immigrants?

"Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it."

>>815038

>winnie the pooh

Kekekek

>>815038

>when it comes to war

>crusading

Modern fathead liberals will scorn crusades but you yourself used the word of a war conduct that was in line with christianity

Somehow for 1500 years we managed to be Christian and not interpret those verses as "let others take over"

>what about race mixing.

We had christianity for what…1500 years in Europe? and not to race mix was common sense. Again only liberal fatheads promote because "muh equality".

If you seek something as white talmudism that will worship your ethnicity, I have to disappoint you but again Europe somehow reached the peak of its civilization with Christian conduct and even 100 years ago people knew by common sense that race mixing destroys civilization and that it is just as detrimental to the individual as it is to your people.

> what about not wanting your country filled with immigrants?

The same thing. Liberal fatheads will justify flooding your countries with immigrants because "muh feels" when in fact there is nothing good in it. You bring struggle and nearly war for future generations with this conduct.

Again before people falling for atheism meme, becoming all liberal and "muh feels though" this was taken as a common sense and for some reason Europe united to defend Vienna, Spain, and the whole europe against the invader.

As you can see this is the result of the modern man deciding to become his own god. Taking the word of God, twisting it to fit his liberal jerk off and defying the nature.

But nature as well as history scream loudly through the darkness of modern lies and the subversion of the Church itself. Listen and you can hear it clearly.

>>815046

Based and Logospilled.

>>815038

>Turn the other cheek and pray for your enemies

It's better to forgive, to not care about insult, than to seek revenge and create a downward spiral of violence. That's why, when someone hits you, you turn the other cheek. When someone hits your brother, however, you don't turn your bother's head so he can be slapped again. Accept what happens to you, but don't be indifferent to the disgraces of others. If using violence would prevent evil and stop abuse, you have a moral duty of being violent.

>What about race mixing?

"Racemixing" is OK. What matters is the individuals. The problem really comes when "racemixing" brings with it an erosion of local culture and traditional values. In purity, "racemixing" isn't even a thing. A society will only be conscious of it when there's a "race identity" in which case, the problem is not of race but of culture.

>what about not wanting your country filled with immigrants?

That's on the same line with what's exposed above. Massive influxes of people who don't even speak your local language are bound to destroy (even if they individually don't want to) local culture, warp it's morals and it's traditions. They simply have grown up in a way too different environment and are too many, so they'll create their own microcosms instead of fully integrating in society.

There's also the problem that you, as an individual citizen, are not taking the needy into your house. The state (or in this case, Merkel and Macron) has decided to take away money from you and your neighbors and divert it elsewhere. I'd say that it's legit to combat this policies as a christian, cause they're done to detriment of your brethren.

>>815046

Racemixing wasn't common cause most people didn't have the means to leave their valley until the 1950s. The Crusades and the wars against Mongols, Otomans and other external invaders were not done in the basis of race, but on the basis of culture, since those people beliefs and values were abhorrent.

>>804059

>The assassin had no ties to the Serbian government

Protip: this anon is retarded.

Gavrilo was a member of Black Hand, the Anglo founded organization that made a coup, killing the previous Serbian dynasty and installed their own. The assassination was literally an extension of Serbian international policy.

lel

>>815387

based

lel

>>815387

Gavrilo Princip wasn't a member of the Black Hand. He was a member of Young Bosnia, a Pan-Slavic organization that included Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Bosnia

>>815821

>a Pan-Slavic organization that included Serbs, Bosniaks and Croats

If only he could look into the future, heh.

Since it doesn't seem to be mentioned here yet, what does /christian/ think of Nick Fuentes?

>>816701

Sorry for the long post. Also the 'true right' doesn't necessarily need to have in mind the propagation of superior peoples so long as they at least support the higher status of the superior within society.

>>810161

> Marxism is dying, as weird as it sounds.

This, heck even old school marxist from leftypol are starting to notice this

>>816556

Some american alt right eceleb that is civnat or something like that.

Americans always argue if he's a "spic" or not. I do not see how he's relevant. Is he catholic or something?

>>816701

> Even the myth of human equality might be found originally in Christianity

Source?

>inb4 galatians

Just because we're all brothers that does not make us "equal". Scripture clearly lays out hierarchy in family, in church. There's no "equality" in church hierarchy. As well it stresses "to each his own". Each person was given some tokens. Each person will be judged by what he's been given and what he did with it.

>unnecessarily long post

>filled with baits

>Using an attractive woman on /christian/ to claim attention

3/10 baitposting to get /christian/ to argue about race, national socialism, etc.

Seriously if you want to bait you can do better. For starters do not use the pic related to catch attention. That's an obvious sign of baitposting

>>816712

>>816744

>Source?

The idea of the soul leads Christians to defend even the most blatantly retarded human's right to life as his 'soul' is the equal of mine.

It's true you support hierarchies of competence in the church but the USSR also had hierarchies of competence, the question is whether you support hierarchies of greatness. Your supposed leader even washes the feet of refugees, I don't see how can you support hierarchies of greatness if that's the case.

>>816712

This is similar to Bolshevist censure of Christianity, two arguably similar but rival religions hating on one another

>>816998

The church is subverted to a large extent now.

But if it was not for the pope the Vienna would fall in 1683. Why did he not help refugees back then since it is "inherent" to christianity?

You are clueless.

And you did not provide source for the equality meme. The standard catholic position always has been "suum cique", that is, to each his own.

I do not support what Francis does but I do believe the catholic hierarchy is the right one. And given the hatred bolshevism has towards Christianity it is laughable to imply they serve the same ends. Look what jewish bolsheviks did to christians in Russia and elsewhere. Look at wwii.

And mostly stop being a clueless "edgy atheist" and grow up.

>>816743

He's not a civnat and he's Catholic

>>817184

>you did not provide source for the equality meme.

Opposition to abortion mainly, you consider killing a fetus as bad as an adult even though the creature being killed is less conscious than even a rabbit or a hamster. Clearly the thing of value is nothing in this world but the otherworldly soul, which exists in all humans equally.

Next, the Sermon on the Mount. Your gospel views worldly greatness as a mere illusion; beauty, talent, riches, etc. should be dismissed completely compared to the all-important business of shoring up treasures in heaven. Actually you believe in covering up beauty and in great people giving away all their money and becoming servants of the poor.

>>817514

Recognizing the equality of the soul of men does not mean you must confess that all men should be equal on Earth. God Himself desires that men remain separated by nation in the story of the Tower of Babylon. The Kingdom of God is not an Earthly Kingdom, and even in the Kingdom of God, while there may be neither Jew nor Gentile, there is still Lesser and Greater. It is the potential that matters, the capability of Free Will that makes us equal, not in mind, body, or even spirit. To recognize and celebrate the differences of capability in others is what matters. What you've concerned yourself with is absolute equality and the superiority of the fallen material over the superior Kingdom of God.

>>818321

It's trading one group of sinners for another group of sinners, no matter what Moscow tries to say. It's better to stay and fight than to give up, run away, and get bitten by the stigma of expatriatism.

>>818321

Yes. I know of many people who move elsewhere and live relatively off-the-grid and tax-free. In certain countries you do this in, because of the value of the USD (if you have an online job or something), you can move from poverty to upper-class. Paying $300 for a massive apartment and such. I might actually do it tbh, as I don't want to pay taxes and will live under the taxation amount here or elsewhere. I also have the skills to work certain online jobs to live like that, so it would be cool.

>>818321

>I've considered moving overseas to Rural Russia for personal reasons

Unless you're Russian yourself and speak basic Russian, I HIGHLY advice against this.

Regular Russia is enough of a culture shock for Europeans, rural Russia for an American would be hell.

>>818321

I've had thoughts of moving to Brazil, possibly Peru. However, the commitment would have to be something I'd be set on and put a lot of my money towards. If you aren't absolutely set on it, I would say no go. Like, if you're just thinking you will go there just to escape modernity, not that modernity will catch up, but you're not going to find all the answers by moving to rural russia.

>>818748

Brazilian here, you made me curious. If you don't mind me asking, why would you move to Brazil? I mean, I love my country, but it's quite an unusual destination for First world immigrants

>>818704

Then you better also be Russian and raised up with the Russian culture.

>>790962

>Odin drank cum

According to (((Greenberg))).

>>798885

You are a fag. The Jews have a unique genotype like any race making them a unique problem, no matter if there are people that would gladly take their place.

>>790962

Odin drank wine to symbolize fertility.

>>798885

>jews dindu absolutely nuffin

>muh pol

>antisocial

t. brainlet jidf

>>819868 has a point

>>819881

Great entertainer, unworthy of the type of "news" he attempts to present though, and he is a liar. On these subjects literally conspiratory occultist would be better.

>>819881

Definitely controlled opposition. He sprinkles in truth on big lie platters to discredit actual conspiracy theories and keep the normies in the dark. He is overly emotional and can't be trusted. Alex Jones is a meme, entertaining but not to be taken seriously.

>>819881

He has some interviews with Joe Rogan, and I remember the latest one being pretty good. Joe Rogan may be an ignorant ape with two neurons, but he's an honest ape, and great at connecting with people. For some reason, he usually manages to get genuine interviews out of the people that attend his show, and you feel you actually got to know the person speaking.

IMO Alex Jones is delusional, maybe psychotic or suffering some other mental health issue. He's the first victim of his own bullshit. He's your typical overly zealous American puritan but with mental issues on top. But, for all his faults, I can't say he seems to be a bad person.

>>819881

I trust this humble water filter salesman more than I trust any face on cnn msnbc fox pbs abc bbc cbc ctv global sky etc etc etc. At least he won't tell me it's okay and healthy to drink water that turns frogs gay

I got banned for adressing a "Christian" thread on /pol/ with sense, clean speech and bible quotations in an attempt to adress the discrepancy of a "Christian Nationalist Socialist Militant Community".

Am i missing something here? All my posts were deleted but the thread itself kept going… to me this makes no sense whatsoever.

*not sure if this will post*

>>819972

>he is a liar

>>820067

>lie

Okay, I'll bite. What did he lie about?

>>820102

>American puritan

I don't think he's a puritan.

>>820146

/pol/ has gone to shit is the shortest way to put it

>>818853

I've only had thoughts, never seriously considered. If you want my honest thoughts, it's largely because of the low cost of living, I already know a romance language(frog and spanish from my family, latin from personal study), and from what I hear there's just less gay dumb modernity there. The last thing I've heard from people I know from brazil online, but that may not be the case. Again I've never seriously considered.

>>820241

>>820146

>le racial idolatry meme

If only you put in half as much effort to stop christians from being murdered and raped by your pet immigrants.

>>820422

Literally what are you trying to say in this post

>>820450

>nazism

I don't get the obsession with it. More Christians have died in African ethnic warfare since then than did during that episode.

>There is no religion higher than truth.

Sounds good to me.

>Should we be concerned?

Not unless your faith is reliant on lies i'd presume.

>>806309

You complain about monarchies having states of interregnum, but democracy is a constant state of interregnum. Your complaint of monarchy is that is it is sometimes like a republic with the princes ruling instead of the king. Infant kings are practically the same thing.

I'm no master of monarchies or history, but It seems to me doubtful that civil wars of inheritance are any different than starting a civil war because of election fraud. Inheritance wars could very well have had more to do with the fact that the medieval and renaissance were very violent periods, with a more modern (and often diplomatic) era like today not having serious wars.

I dunno, I just picture 1900's tsar nicholas, and "inheritance war" and it just doesn't fit. The sort of industrial era professionalism just makes inheritance wars seem unfitting.

Of course, the political system is not the most important thing, it's the powers that be that matter, but I still think monarchy is best in spite of any flaws. After all, this is not some radical idea, nearly all of Europe used to be monarchy for thousands of years, clearly it must have worked just fine for that to be possible.

>>820462

>Not unless your faith is reliant on lies i'd presume.

I've seen historical accounts showing that polytheism used to be common, and one of the commandments is for monotheism.

I suspect that the rising number of atheists, may think that a diety can be concieved as a lie, albeit a white one.

In Euclid's elements, there are 5 postulates, one of which is the parallell postulate. Gauss spent many years keeping his discovery of non-euclidian geometry to him self, because it departed from orthodoxy. As you may know, the theory of general relativity is based on non-euclidian geometry.

Some people try to belong, and simply cannot believe in the prescribed way, and it's been going on for a long time. The quakers are an example of this.

Breivik is a modern example of what can happen when an atheist tries to belong, and he turned nazi. Is there a way to reign this in?

How does one begin to talk about the epstein case unfolding to someone who does not keep up with world news at all, without sounding insane (because it truly is a hard truth to accept)

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>>820450

>Apparently there's this movement called theosophy, and it may have been instrumental in the nazi uprising, which is arguably political

It may have played apart with the Thule society with the symbolism, culture and the spiritual beliefs among the NSDAP, but I wouldn't have a doubt for a second that the national socialists would have risen to power regardless of occultists due to underlying issues already facing Germany.

>There is no religion higher than truth.

This is true generally, but I don't know that much of what they believe except they draw from gnosticism. I would assume they believe in the truth in a gnostic sense where they draw truth from philosophy, ancient religions, metaphysics and building a personal worldview on life instead of dogmas of organized religion.

>Should we be concerned?

Not really, many if not hundreds of groups like this exist. Most of them stick to themselves and tend not to bother or even go out of their way to not brother people. Some groups do such as O9A but generally they're very secretive and have no influence except among a few fringe circles.

>>812908

<t. Develop your own parallel civilisation, since you need to recreate everything from finance to Internet infrastructure.

Lemme guess - "Muh free market?". This is why Protestantism is cancer, individuals don't even have totally free & unconditioned choice in the secular sense (muh less the spiritual).

>>820467

https://www.aftenposten.no/norge/politikk/i/2GbQvy/-Det-begynner-a-ligne-et-systematisk-problem-A-vise-frem-sin-tro-blir-sett-pa-som-noe-litt-pa-kanten

The leader of the Norwegian Christian Democratic Party (KrF), seems to think the lack of free spech is stifling religious freedom.

My cousin came out as a christian on facebook, and he was implicitly labelled a mentally ill druggie, and was shamed into deleting his posts. In fact, he was so distraught by this, he couldn't hold down his job.

>>821053

This guy is a representative example of the state of free speech in Norway. Swedes aren't the only ones who self-censor. Personally, I think Læstadianism has gone too far.

>>821054

>free speech

unbiblical meme

>>821194

>God gives man free will to mankind so they can choose Heaven or Hell

<But mankind is not allowed to have unpopular opinions or speak about anything they want

>>821260

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

>>821387

But that should still be up to the individual to choose. I should have the right to scream tigger like a kkk klansmen on crack, just as well as i should have the right to preech in the streets, or sing hymns outdoors.

Does anyone have that image of Jesus walking beside a Wehrmacht soldier? Thanks in advance.

>>821539

The state has a moral duty to enforce what is good onto society as a whole even if it means suppressing free speech. Do you really think suppressing someone that advocates pedophilia or homosexuality in public is the same as suppressing someone who is preaching or singing hymns in public?

>>821954

>The state has a moral duty to enforce what is good onto society

Yes, and we should make sure the state is accountable for it. For too easily a power-creep develops and soon anyone who says anything out of line is talking with a guillotene over their head, whether Christian or not. Remember our history too, no Christian prosecution was explicitly for the reason of Christians Bad", there was always an excuse like "Preserving Japanese Culture" or "Pleasing the Roman Gods", etc.

>the same as suppressing someone who is preaching or singing hymns in public?

They are not morally equivalent, no. All rights stem from the freedom to speak your mind, and the moment things begin becoming 1984 no man is free, not even a Christian. Remember also that faith is not genuine if its done out of fear or another worldly reason. If you don't love Christ but only follow Him to fulfill some worldly want, then you've failed to follow Him at all. This statement isn't targeted at you BTW, but I'm seeing a worrying trend where people are "following" Him for the wrong reasons, especially with regards to politics.

[bold] I caution all anons in christian/pol/ to be weary not to let the world take precedence over God. [/bold]

>someone that advocates pedophilia or homosexuality in public

Is already a criminal in the eyes of the citizenry and a sinner before God. Remember to love your enemies as God loves you anon, or have you forgotten that you too were once lost?

Is Biden more pious than Trump?

>Bishop Michael Sheridan, who oversees the diocese of Colorado Springs, said at the time that Biden should know [he would be turned away] and, “I would do everything I could do to make sure that he knows he ought not to be receiving Communion.”

https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2019/04/27/no-stranger-to-the-vatican-biden-has-a-rocky-past-with-us-church/

>>822215

Does it matter if Biden wears a Rosary (does he even pray it?) , visits the Pope and attends Mass when he flip-flops on every Catholic stance that displeases the political establishment? That's quite the definition of a wolf in sheep's clothing. I don't know if Trump is religious, but imo it's even worse when a self-professed Catholic goes against the Church than when a heathen does it.

From Wikipedia:

>In a May 2012 Meet the Press interview, Vice President Biden publicly reversed his previous position, stating he was "absolutely comfortable with the fact that men marrying men, women marrying women, and heterosexual men and women marrying another are entitled to the same exact rights, all the civil rights, all the civil liberties. And quite frankly, I don't see much of a distinction beyond that."

>I find it preposterous that in 2011 we're debating whether or not a man is qualified or worthy of your vote based on whether or not his religion … is a disqualifying provision. It is not. It is embarrassing and we should be ashamed, anyone who thinks that way.

>According to Jamal Brown, Biden's press secretary, said that when Biden arrived in the Senate in 1973 he thought Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided, but now “firmly believes that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land and should not be overturned,”. In 1981, he voted for a failed constitutional amendment allowing states to overturn Roe v. Wade. In 1982, he voted against the same failed constitutional amendment allowing states to overturn Roe v. Wade. He now says he would consider codifying the Roe v. Wade precedent into federal law in case the ruling is overturned by the United States Supreme Court. He pledged that he would appoint United States Supreme Court justices who shared his beliefs in upholding Roe v. Wade

>Biden received a 91% voting record from the National Education Association (NEA) showing a pro-teacher union voting record. He supports comprehensive sex education.

>>822101

Taking measures against propagandists and subversive agitators is absolutely necessary for maintaining a healthy society. This has nothing to do with your 1984 strawman.

>>822255

>Taking measures against propagandists and subversive agitators is absolutely necessary for maintaining a healthy society.

It is, but who draws the line on what is and is not subversive, on what is and is not propoganda?

>>822385

Historically, the archbishop and/or the king.

>>822385

The Church.

>>822101

>Yes, and we should make sure the state is accountable for it.

This is why the church has always had a stake in politics before the french revolution, to prevent tyranny over the people and to make sure the state upheld good.

>All rights stem from the freedom to speak your mind, and the moment things begin becoming 1984 no man is free

This is French revolution tier thinking. No, rights do not come from speaking of your mind, it comes from God and natural law. Advocating homosexuality which fundamentally goes against natural law should not be a "right" because it corrupts the moral good of the society which goes down the slippery slope of pedophilia, bestiality etc.. I am not arguing for a catholic gestapo to go around killing or imprisoning anyone that advocates moral evils or subverting natural law, but it should carry some sort of punishment if doing so or at the very least blocking them from any public platform to speak on.

>Is already a criminal in the eyes of the citizenry

Yeah but it wont be in a 100 years, this is why the state must uphold good upon society or it will decay.

>Remember to love your enemies as God loves you anon, or have you forgotten that you too were once lost?

I love my enemies and pray for them but I don't want them actively subverting society.

>>822693

/pol/ is not one person. I don't know about /v/ though.

>>822693

"A wife of good character is worth more than a thousand rubies" is how the saying goes. It's difficult to find a woman pf good character in today's world or it rather seems to be at least. If you aren't confidant you'll find one and were secular/agnostic, you'd likely won't try.

As for jews/marxism, what do you expect them to do? There's already tons of videos and info on Youtube covering the subject as well as info on the net( a winston churchill quote about it too I think) so what do you expect? It'd be difficult for them to do marches if they don't have much organization, and mention of the "chosen ones" will get them slandered and labeled as hate speech supporters. Then they have to contend with the fact that they are using the platforms of their enemies(Google,Youtube, payment processors, and the authority's law). Look at Kiwifarms for example, can't post there if you're from Britain/New Zealand or else you'll be sent a fee and have the possibility of going to prison iirc. It's difficult and the solutions can be difficult for a newcomer to grasp.

>>822693

i noticed the same thing here.

>>823034

i mean not HERE in /christian/ but i also noticed this behavior in /po/, at least 4chan /pol/

>>822459

and the Church at the moment is opposed to Traditionalism. If they were given free reign, many here on /christian/ could get silenced because we don't support the churches new "directives" on Modernist changes to the teachings. I don't want the church out of government. I want GOVERNMENT out of the Church. As someone who has seen what nationalized schools could do, i'd pass on government taking rule on my faith

It all sounds good until you have to decide what the church teaches. Does it teach the faith? or, does it teach a bastardized version of the faith? THAT is the problem, do those who ACTUALLY follow Christs teaching make the rules? or do they who are mere cultural Catholics decide what is fair and what is not?

>>822682

>This is why the church has always had a stake in politics before the french revolution, to prevent tyranny over the people and to make sure the state upheld good.

Isn't the Church itself supposed to uphold good being the (imperfect) manifestation of God's Kingdom on earth through followers of Christ, rather than demand that politicians who in their day-to-day play Machiavellian games do what is good instead with no ulterior motives in mind? Democrats already do the latter every day and i wouldn't call them good for doing it. and don't politicians subvert the church?

> No, rights do not come from speaking of your mind

> it comes from God and natural law

Is personal choice and responsibility a part of this natural law? As i was trying to get at in the beginning of this thread of discussion, God gave man free will so that man might freely choose God.

> Yeah but it wont be in a 100 years

I have immense doubts that God would let things get that bad, knowing that He is in control.

>>823068

I do not know where to find those. But I do frequent both /fascist/ and /christian/ and like both italy and germany. You are not alone

>>823093

Here you go anon

>>822907

Here is where you could find all those papel encyclicals that other anon was talking about.

>>823068

> what do you think of El duce?

I'm not a fan. When I was younger I was fully enthralled with the black shirt ideology, but after taking my faith more seriously and studying up on history, I saw that Pope Pius XI had a point.

Mussolini, like pretty much all socialists, was anti-clerical. He openly despised the church and the priesthood but cowtowed to the Catholic Church in order to garner support from the Italian people.

It doesn't help that Mussolini also shut down a lot of Catholic youth groups in order to get them into service for the state. If I remember correctly Pope Pius XI called the fashion Statolatry. When you have songs like the Divina Patria that calls your homeland divine, it really makes you wonder who the fascists worship. Do they worship God or do they worship themselves?

Maybe in an alternate timeline in a parallel universe Benito Mussolini wasn't a hardcore socialist and anti-clerical. In that timeline Benito Mussolini didn't do his best to piss off the church or to convey the message of Statolatry. In that timeline maybe Benito Mussolini would have won World War II and would be celebrated as a saint. Who knows?

All I know is that in this current timeline we all live in, Mussolini backed the wrong horse and made us all suffer the consequences.

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>>823131

>Do they worship God or do they worship themselves?

fascists worship the state.

>>823154

What if this fascist state orients man towards God?

>>823154

I do not worship the state, I just hate democracy and wish for a God-centered, personal freedom tolerant totalitarian regime where everybody can sin however they want but any public advertisement for these sins gets punished harshly.

>>823209

>I suppose Mussolini did mess up on that part.

His biggest mistakes were the over-hasted attacks on Greece and the colonies and him getting cucked by Hitler in the end.

It could've gone much better.

>>823265

I really hate it when people call Hitler a fascist or compare Mussolini to Hitler because of all the shit he did.

Hitler was a Natsoc, Mussolini didn't give a shite about race.

>>823062

>Isn't the Church itself supposed to uphold good being the (imperfect) manifestation of God's Kingdom on earth through followers of Christ, rather than demand that politicians who in their day-to-day play Machiavellian games do what is good instead with no ulterior motives in mind

Looking throughout history and church doctrine, the church has always supported the concept of church and state. The church intervenes when the state becomes tyrannical or if natural law/church doctrine is broken, the church has no interest in political affairs insofar what I stated before is not applied.

>and don't politicians subvert the church?

It is true that some politicians subvert some local dioceses and bishops but this does not apply to every single one, if subversion does occur the vatican will usually send someone to investigate the corruption taking place.

>Is personal choice and responsibility a part of this natural law?

>God gave man free will so that man might freely choose God.

As rational creatures we do have inherent freewill to chose and make decisions to bring ourselves closer to God. We can all make our own decisions for ourselves but the state should uphold good wherever it can in society so people can make better decisions spiritually and lead better lives even if it means censoring a subversive in society. Most people, like it or not will always go with the flow of society even if it upholds evil (lemmings or NPCs), it is better off the state leads people into the right direction by upholding good in society instead of complete societal anarchy where more souls lead to hell.

>I have immense doubts that God would let things get that bad, knowing that He is in control

Read revelations. People before the 1950's would of never thought legalizing homosexual marriage by the state would ever be possible in the future, just because it is totally unacceptable today, it won't be tomorrow.

What are short term goals of political christianity?

What are long term goals?

What are civilizational goals?

Are they realistic?

>>823472

>other people reading is terrifying

wtf?

>>823374

>…the state should uphold good wherever it can in society so people can make better decisions spiritually and lead better lives even if it means censoring a subversive in society…

Agreed, less holes means less lost souls (to an extent).

>…where more souls lead to hell.

Won't those souls be just as damned if they serve God like the pharisees did? By going to church because that's what you're supposed to do and not because you want to worship God in community? Doesn't God hate when people show him their "good works" as much if not more than the confessions of a wretch?

>Read revelations

You mean "God always wins in the end, the revelation, the book, based on a true apocalyptic prophecy"? Eternal reminder that revelations is the happy ending and the final universal promise of all time for all time by Christ himself from the right-hand of God.

Don't fall for the death-cult doomsday stuff by the way, that's the default view of people who have an unhealthy view of God.

>>823495

>Won't those souls be just as damned if they serve God like the pharisees did? By going to church because that's what you're supposed to do and not because you want to worship God in community? Doesn't God hate when people show him their "good works" as much if not more than the confessions of a wretch?

As I said, people have freewill to chose and make decisions which draw themselves to God, I am not arguing forcing people to go to church or believe in God. I am simply arguing that pushing out subversives and moral evils in public spotlights while upholding moral good will help people to make better decisions because there is less chaos and confusion within society.

>You mean "God always wins in the end, the revelation, the book, based on a true apocalyptic prophecy"? Eternal reminder that revelations is the happy ending and the final universal promise of all time for all time by Christ himself from the right-hand of God.

My point with revelations is everything will get worse before it will become good which it clearly outlines, just because you think God will not allow things to become "that bad" is not true or else apocalypse would be happening right now in the midst of drag queen/trans kids and sodomite marriage.

>Don't fall for the death-cult doomsday stuff by the way, that's the default view of people who have an unhealthy view of God.

Agreed, pray for the salvation of souls and prepping for your own soul for heaven instead of prepping for the prophecy of revelations which might not even happen in our lifetime.

>>823651

>Upholding moral good will help people make better decisions.

This. Most people are followers by nature - if they see examples of good behaviour, they tend to follow them more than not. It's the same reason why now they tolerate obvious moral evils - that's what society tells them is "good", and they'll listen to that over their own conscience.

>>824066

Heaven is a monarchy.

>>824066

Yes. Because democracy and related systems are crap since they are the rule of the mob. The rule of the lowest common denominator.

Either monarchy or something similar with the stepping stone of meritocracy.

Test

>>824131

THIS

What was the address for our bunker again? I don't want to lose contact with you guys. Didn't we have our own imageboard at one point?

>>825047

Discord/Catholic Church

ironic that a majority Catholic board may get shut down by an attack vs majority Catholic hispanics

>>825055

>ironic that a majority Catholic board may get shut down by an attack vs majority Catholic hispanics

That's what happens when you let stormfaggots become cultural hegemons on a site-wide level.

Which brand of Christianity addresses the (((pope)))? Sedevacantism is to much of mental gymnastics and I'm look for a brand of Christianity that's not cucked.

>>825079

Protestantism!

>>825079

I suggest you start with Simon Magus or Arius

This article was published today

https://theamericansun.com/2019/12/12/parallels-of-decay-lessons-from-american-politics-for-catholics/

It's a useful exercise to think of who the "Catholic gatekeepers" are. The article mentions one, but you don't get over half of the church believing that female priests are okay on the actions of one grifter alone. It's certainly a more pressing concern than the pope since these people are generally closer to the laity

>>800272

>Rexism.jpg

>>WhatIsFalangism.png

>>WhatIsIronGuard.exe

None of wich are natsoc

>falangism

more close to national syndicalism and sorelianism

>Iron guard

was extremely more christian than any of the other movements than you mentioned and is closer to clasical fascism.

>rexism

natsoc wannabe not much else

>>822713

>do nothing

>>823034

me too

>>820655

OAS was mostly right in their actions.

>>825822

Why?