/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>571737

I'd like to. Personally feeling for seven, but if the wife wants more, I'm not one to complain.

>>571737

Not quite that big. I'm done makin' babies.

I'm getting my tubes tied

>>571737

I'd definitely like to, but I'd be a liar if I said I'd ever met a girl who said she wanted more than 4 which kind of makes things difficult

;__;

>>571746

Girls don't exist online, anon

>>571737

Joke's on you, I'm barely mature enough to wipe my own ass.

>>571737

I wish I could. But my wife has had three late-term miscarriages and I'm not sure we will have even one child, let alone many.

>>571737

My parents had seven kids. I hope to do the same but right now the girl situation is bleak

>>571775

Oh man that sucks. I’ll pray for you

My girlfriend says 5 is her max. 3 is my minimum. We'll probably end up with 4

>>571763

Cuck

>>571775

>But my wife has had three late-term miscarriages and I'm not sure we will have even one child, let alone many.

How many miscarriages have you had after converting to Baptism?

0.

>>571782

>>571781

false flag, baptists don't call their denomination baptism.

confess and repent.

>>571781

>Baptist

More like Buttptist amirite?

I don't know whether in good faith I should have kids knowing they'll be mixed race or if I'm even fertile at all, frankly given how miserable it's been for me. Wouldn't get married if that was the case.

>>571789

>I don't know whether in good faith I should have kids knowing they'll be mixed race

You could just marry someone who is the same race as you.

>>571790

I think he means that he himself is mixed race, regardless of whoever he marries.

>>571737

hopefully

enough for a soccer team

>>571783

this. Baptism is a thing you do with water, it’s not a denomination. Just report and filter

Oh man. I want to have 3-4 kids but this is making me wonder if I should aim for more. Too early to think about stuff like this. Need to go further in my career first.

Fun meme: making fun of people who only have one kid.

My friends and I generally agree that it’s good to have more than two kids.

>>571804

Don't "aim for" anything and don't be envious. Even one child is a blessing which you should count among the greatest.

I have 6 children and that is enough. I'm in my mid-40s and it's time to stop and wait for grandchildren.

>>571782

One was while I was a Baptist.

>>571737

I'm almost 40 now and I don't even have a wife.

In a different universe I would have married at 18 and have at least 5 kids. But the iron curtain fell.

I very much doubt it, sadly.

>>571775

Sorry man.

>>571737

I have chosen celibacy

>>571792

then he should marry somebody who is also mixed race

>>571805

>Fun meme: making fun of people who only have three kid.

FTFY anon

>>571800

Including parents, enough for a basketball game, with a sub.

>>571872

That'd have interesting results.

>>571872

He should marry whatever fellow Christian he wants to marry.

>>571892

Why?

>>571893

Because a Christian man is free to take whatever Christian woman he falls in love with as a wife, wether butthurt control-freak "Anonymous" likes it or not.

>>571895

That's circular logic.

>>571896

It's God's will and biblical teaching.

1 Corinthians 7:39

>>571897

Thank you.

I want to. But I don't think I'll have time to make one so large. I'll begin my family when my girlfriend make 26.

>>571898

>Thanking someone directly after a preaching without even taking a minute to see if he's quoting the verse wrong or something

Sounds fun, I wonder if I'll be lower than the false prophet that leads me to hell.

>>571902

>she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord.

Can you tell me how this quote is misleading in context?

>>571899

My seven-child family started when my mom was 29. My youngest brother was had when my mom was 43, and he has absolutely no problems. While the whole "birth defects if you wait to long to have kids" thing is technically generally true, there are a ton of other variables that go into it and the dangers are exaggerated. Though you'll probably never outpace Anderson, you could still make a massive family at that age

>>571905

Thank you, anon. I won't use contraceptives anyway. I just have to be able maintain my family before I marry her and start to have kids. And then it's up to God to give me how many kids He thinks I deserve.

>>571789

You just shouldn't marry outside the faith. You are a Christian man, be fruitful and multiply.

>>571904

What.

Can YOU explain to me why your opinion is now completely opposite form the guy you just thanked?

>>571907

I'll pray for you to be able to maintain and provide for your family and be blessed with lots of kids

>>571920

>but I can understand that it shows that there is no real problem, spiritually, with marrying whoever is willing to marry you

>>571895

>Because a Christian man is free to take whatever Christian woman he falls in love with as a wife

>>571897

>1 Corinthians 7:39

>A woman is bound to her husband as long as he lives. But if her husband dies, she is free to marry anyone she wishes, but he must belong to the Lord.

I am fully convinced that we're looking at the monitor and seeing two different posts, because in my monitor, d59d5b is arguing that men can force any christian women they see to marry with them.

>>571922

>I am fully convinced that we're looking at the monitor and seeing two different posts, because in my monitor, d59d5b is arguing that men can force any christian women they see to marry with them.

I wanted to make that argument, but I felt that it was very insincere to do so. From the benefit of the doubt I thought he just worded his post wrong. Your argument would be gone the moment he made a clarification, if one had to be made. Argue the meta-argument, not the argument presented.

>>571926

>I strongly believe that no man should ever force a woman to be married

It was my understanding that daughters belonged to the father.

>>571844

It's not too late. Abraham was twice your age when he had his first child.

So how is Anderson's church supposed to do charitable work when all the money he gets from his parish goes to his giant family and church rent/maintenance?

>>571933

Genesis 31:43, Exodus 22:16-17

I hope you don't practice Islam or Hinduism, however I don't see how this is related to my question. There's been more than I would like to quote detailing how dads gave or traded their daughters to others. What is the Catholic teaching on this?

>>571944

>Genesis 31:43, Exodus 22:16-17

That's abusing Scripture.

>There's been more than I would like to quote detailing how dads gave or traded their daughters to others.

Were those dads Christian or Jewish?

>What is the Catholic teaching on this?

Read the CCC 1625 through 1632 and remember 1626.

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm

>>571945

>That's abusing Scripture.

Explain.

>Were those dads Christian or Jewish?

1 Corinthians 11:3

Can you explain to me why the distinction is important. God is unchanging. If a daughter is unmarried, who does she belong to if not the dad?

>Read the CCC 1625 through 1632 and remember 1626.

I see no mention of the role of the dad. Do Catholics believe that the parents have no say in the matter?

>>571941

I'm guessing the blessing of God, because he is able to afford the massive evangelical campaigns all across Arizona, the United States, and internationally

It's probably the donation page on his youtube channel. He has a very popular channel, and people all over the world are probably donating. I don't think he's a rich man, but he can definitely afford a large family and a church

>>571953

>Explain.

Do I also need to explain to you why there's nothing wrong with a Christian eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics?

>1 Corinthians 11:3

And?

>God is unchanging.

Yes but there is still a New Covenant.

>who does she belong to if not the dad?

What do you mean by "belong" and how do you tie this with forced marriages?

>>571956

Proselytization is not the same as charitable support to the poor.

>>571958

I feel that you've completely sidestepped all my questions and aren't being genuine.

>Do I also need to explain to you why there's nothing wrong with a Christian eating shellfish and wearing mixed fabrics?

If that was related to the context of my original question, I would ask that you do. I don't see how it is related to my question, however.

>And?

>and the head of the woman is the man

Who does she belong to if not the dad?

>What do you mean by "belong" and how do you tie this with forced marriages?

God owns us because he has made us. Parents made their children. Creators are sovereign over things they've created (Mat. 20:15). 1 Corinthians 11:3 tells us that man is the head of women. The parents have made the children, and are thus sovereign over them. There's a hierarchy clearly present in scripture. Throughout scripture daughters are given in marriage, they don't give themselves and they may not be taken.

Genesis 24:2-4; Deuteronomy 7:3; 1 Corinthians 7:38' Matthew 24:38; Genesis 24:2-4; Exodus 20:12; Deuteronomy 4:9; Deuteronomy 7:3 and 2 Corinthians 6:14; Exodus 20:12; Ephesians 6:1-3. The last one is very important.

>>571959

Oh I see what you're asking. I don't know how FWBC runs charity. My answer about where they get the money still stands though

>>571973

None of those NT passages support forced marriage, sorry lad.

>>571978

You're plainly wrong on that statement.

>>571979

I'm not.

>>571980

What is your reasoning as to why not?

>>571974

http://www.faithfulwordbaptist.org/guadalupeinvitation.pdf

from what I can see here, all the money to FWBC goes towards Anderson's Family, his Church, and "soul-winning", which includes harassing Catholics with this garbage

>>571984

Because none of those passages support forced marriage. How about you explain to me your reasoning as to why they do?

>>571988

Genesis 24:2-4

> Notice that in the passage quoted above, it was the father (Abraham) and not the son (Isaac) who decided whom Isaac should marry. If anyone objects that this was under the Law of Moses, we reply that this was long before Moses was born.

Genesis 28:1

>Isaac received this tradition of parental choice of marriage partner from his father Abraham and passed it on to his own son Jacob.

Genesis 26:34-35

>Jacob obeyed his father Isaac and was blessed of God. Jacob’s twin brother Esau married Canaanite women and caused his parents grief.

Deuteronomy 7:3

>God confirmed this time honored tradition. Several hundred years later, He told Moses to command the men of Israel to forbid their children to intermarry with the Canaanites

1 Corinthians 7:38

>In all of the Scriptures just quoted above, it is the father’s duty to have the final say whom his sons and daughters may or may not marry. And we find the same parental authority assumed in the New Testament. Paul, speaking of the bride’s father, writes: “So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.”

Matthew 24:38

>Our Lord Jesus Christ shows that parental permission was always the accepted way of deciding on a marriage partner—even long before the time of Abraham, when, speaking of the days of Noah, He says: “For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark”

Why it is necessary:

Parents normally want the best for their children (Genesis 24:2-4)

Parents are older and are more experienced than their children. (Exodus 20:12)

Parents want a continuity of faith and social harmony with their children and grandchildren. (Genesis 26:34-35)

Fathers have a duty to diligently teach their faith to their sons (includes sons in laws) and their sons' sons (grandsons). (Deuteronomy 4:9)

Fathers have a duty to forbid marriage of their children to unbelievers. (Deuteronomy 7:3 and 2 Corinthians 6:14)

Marriage is not just between two individuals. It is between two families. Therefore the prospective bride and groom should definitely seek their parents permission and blessing before marrying. (Exodus 20:12)

>>571990

>Genesis 24:2-4

> Notice that in the passage quoted above, it was the father (Abraham) and not the son (Isaac) who decided whom Isaac should marry. If anyone objects that this was under the Law of Moses, we reply that this was long before Moses was born.

>Genesis 28:1

>Isaac received this tradition of parental choice of marriage partner from his father Abraham and passed it on to his own son Jacob.

>Genesis

Ok.

>Genesis 26:34-35

>Jacob obeyed his father Isaac and was blessed of God. Jacob’s twin brother Esau married Canaanite women and caused his parents grief.

>Deuteronomy 7:3

>God confirmed this time honored tradition. Several hundred years later, He told Moses to command the men of Israel to forbid their children to intermarry with the Canaanites

The issue here is paganism.

>1 Corinthians 7:38

>“So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.”

>Matthew 24:38

>“For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark”

Does not support forced marriages.

>Why it (forced marriages) is necessary

>Parents normally want the best for their children

>Parents are older and are more experienced than their children

>Parents want a continuity of faith and social harmony with their children and grandchildren

>Fathers have a duty to diligently teach their faith to their sons (includes sons in laws) and their sons' sons (grandsons)

Very weak arguments.

>Fathers have a duty to forbid marriage of their children to unbelievers. (Deuteronomy 7:3 and 2 Corinthians 6:14)

Fathers are not spoken of in 2 Corinthians 6:14 and I never disputed the fact that Christians should not marry non-Christians.

>Marriage is not just between two individuals. It is between two families.

This isn't convincing me that women should be married against their will to men whom they do not love, sorry.

1 Corinthians 7:39 is irreconcilable with your position and no NT passage that you've posted so far comes even close to supporting it; a jew would agree with you though.

>>571999

>The issue here is paganism.

The idea here is that the dad can tell their children not to marry others.

>Does not support forced marriages.

I guess you're just skimming over it and not actually considering my argument. I think you're doing being insincere, because from what I see these are very strong arguments.

>This isn't convincing me that women should be married against their will to men whom they do not love, sorry.

I'll pray that we both can understand each other, and that we may understand any flaws in our understanding.

>1 Corinthians 7:39 is irreconcilable with your position

Sorry, but you're wrong. The husband owned her when he was alive (as she did he), but she no longer has anyone to protect her. The woman is no longer owned by her parents, for they gave her away. Still, I've highlighted here >>571920 where you're wrong in this context.

>>571737

eww

a pity about that wife though.

>>571844

I respect you Grand elder wizard

Im following your steps

>>571944

>Exodus 22:16-17

"If a man seduces a virgin who is not betrothed and lies with her"

Are you implying that the virgin who was seduced didn't consent to lie with the man? In the time of Israel there weren't a marriage ceremony, If a non-brethored virgin woman accepts to lie down with a man it means that they are almost married to one another.

>Genesis 31:43

"Laban answered him: The daughters are mine and the children, and thy flocks, and all things that thou seest are mine: what can I do to my children, and grandchildren?"

In any way this verse implies that the father can force his daughters to marry someone she doesn't want. When I marry, I'll proudly open my mouth and say the the woman I married is MY wife and the kids I have with her are MY kids, and still I can not do anything I want to them like they were my propeties.

>>571973

>Genesis 24:2-4

Isaac could decline his father's decision. Arranged marriage =/= Forced marriage.

>Deuteronomy 7:3

It just say for the people of Israel to don't marry inside outside the faith. The same can be applied to Christians, we should not marry outside the faith.

>1 Corinthians 7:38

>Matthew 24:38

>Deuteronomy 4:9

How in the world these verses support forced marriage?

>Exodus 20:12

The opinion of the parents have to have a great weight on the decision of whom one will marry. But the consent from both parts (Groom and Bride) is necessary.

>2 Corinthians 6:14

Again. One should not marry outside the faith.

>Ephesians 6:1-3

It says to obey the parents in the Lords. If you parents ask you to marry outside the faith you have no need to obey them in this situation.

>>572043

>pity

>>>/leftypol/

:( before my husband and I converted I had an abortion. It's what led both of us down our path to Christianity. It was nothing like these progressives say it is (painless, emotionless, and a simple procedure.) Literally the exact opposite.

Now we have been trying to conceive for a year but it is not happening. The first time, it took a day of missed birth control. I never plan on using birth control ever again.

I truly think I am being punished by God and I feel awful. My husband deserves children. I know it's really not in my hands and God has probably decided I'm unfit to be a mother. I just pray and read the Bible daily. I know it's horribly selfish but more than anything I have such a yearning for the child I aborted and i pray for that child.

I dont think it's really right to seek fertility treatment so it's just in God's hands now I suppose

>>572122

Many have gone through what you and your husband have and found peace and forgiveness. God's love and mercy is endless. People at organisations such as

http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/

know what you have and currently are going through and are there to help. Don't despair over God's love for you, everyone on this message board has done things we regret and God loves us all and always calls us to closer union with Him.

There are many more supports and different groups outside rachels vineyard but that is one good example. Its going to be ok OP, remember God always looked out for and ran towards the prodigal son to embrace him on his way back, we are all the prodigal son at different points in our life.

My girlfriend wants 5 kids minimum, so I certainly hope so.

We're currently pregnant with our first. I want as many as I can get out of her, but this has been a bit rough on her, so I'm not sure she's down for 10.

We'll see what the Lord has planned for us.

>>571987

Evangelism is a good thing and if each of us spent 1/3d of our total active worship time doing it this world would be better.

>>572068

Who is talking about forced marriage?

>>572168

Its good you don't want to feel that way but remember Luke 18:10-14.

10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, ‘God, I thank thee that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week, I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for every one who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Pray to God for the gifts love and empathy you lack. We as Christians should love everyone unconditionally.

>>572054

e8df1a here. Thing is, at 18 I wasn't that edgy >let's party and fuck around and abort 'accidents'

I was honestly looking for a companion to love and start a family.

But everyone I met around me was so degenerate and opposed to that view, that I gave up seven years later and became a cynic. That I found out what a trap civil marriage is at the same time didn't help ever.

>>572193

yeah, insulting the Mother of God is good and will make this world better

>>572243

I really do even though its a baby killer c*nt

>>572471

>durr hburr if you don’t worship Mary you hate her

That’s stupid. Do you worship your ancestors? If you say no, does that mean you hate them? Mary was a blessed woman, but that doesn’t mean she’s supposed to be worshipped

>>572471

"Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec…. Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually."

Mary was blessed to give birth to the human form God the Son humbled himself to.

>>572492

oh ho? so the Virgin Mary isn't the Mother of God? Christ isn't God?

>>572492

and there's that word again…"worshipped". venerated. venerated for over a thousand years. insulting your judge's mother is going to turn out well at all

>>572503

Venerate

to regard or treat with reverence; revere.

1615-25; < Latin venerātus, past participle of venerārī to solicit the goodwill of (a god), worship, revere, verbal derivative of vener-, stem of venus, presumably in its original sense “desire”; see Venus)

>>572503

>>572505

And to compare;

Worship

reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred.

before 900; (noun) Middle English wors(c)hipe, worthssipe, Old English worthscipe, variant of weorthscipe; see worth1, -ship; (v.) Middle English, derivative of the noun

>>572500

Nice response to your hallucination of what I said

>>572503

It’s not an insult to only worship God. Mary should not be worshipped

>>572505

>>572507

go on, keep making up lies about how it's catholic doctrine that we believe Mary is God or whatever. You condemn yourself.

>>572509

if Mary is not the Mother of God, then Christ isn't God

>>572510

Strawman

If you revere Mary as a religious figure and worship is reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred, you worship Mary.

Thank God I don't need to see Mary mother of Jesus as anything more than a woman among women, blessed for generations. Certainly I don't have to call her 'Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix and Mediatrix.'

Maybe I have less reverence points to spend than Joe Catholic, so I'll not use any of them on anything but the King of Kings.

>>572513

Straw-man? It's logic.

If Mary is not the mother of God, then how could Christ be God?

>If you revere Mary as a religious figure and worship is reverent honor and homage paid to God or a sacred personage, or to any object regarded as sacred, you worship Mary.

You're a liar. I ask for Her intercession.

>Thank God I don't need to see Mary mother of Jesus as anything more than a woman among women, blessed for generations

You lose a powerful intermediator, and insult the mother of God, and the mother of our judge. No, it's not good for you at all.

>Maybe I have less reverence points to spend than Joe Catholic, so I'll not use any of them on anything but the King of Kings

You do not take communion, you do not receive the forgiveness of sins, and you abuse both his Bride and Mother. If I told you otherwise, it would be uncharitable.

>>572515

Bride being the RCC just in case you need to be reminded. the 2,000 year old one. the st. peter one.

>>572515

What kind of leap in logic do you need to say that Jesus wouldn't be God if Mary hadn't given birth to Him?

5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

You used the word "venerate", offended by the other anon using "worship". I pasted the dictionary definition of both words to demonstrate that worship is just reverence of God or sacred personage. Do you regard Mary as sacred?

>you lose a powerful intermediator

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Why didn't Paul mention Mary here?

Why do you believe that you need to take extra steps to reach Jesus? An intermediator? Did He not say "Come unto me?"

>>572525

You're changing the line of argument because it will expose you.

If Jesus is God, then Mary is His Mother, thus making her worthy of the title "Theotokos, Mother of God".

If you say Mary is not the Mother of God, then you deny the divinity of Our Lord.

Ok? Must I simplify it further for you?

>do you regard Mary as sacred?

Wouldn't she have to be, to birth Our Lord?

>intermediator

between yourself and her Son, nobody has ever claimed we use her in place of Christ. Again, veneration. We do not use Mary to approach God, but we use her to appeal to her son, Jesus Christ in our favor.

simple, right?

>>572540

the problem with prots is that they don't know that most of their behaviors have been exposed as heresies in previous councils

>>571737

Working on it, got a toddler currently and another on the way.

>>572925

>If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

wut

>Exactly. Here we have doctrinal correctness.

none that contradicts Marian veneration in any way tho

your rancor and spite towards the Virgin Mother is because you cannot accept the active blot that sin does in our connection with God. Mary and the saints fly in the face of OSAS, you cannot bear to be wrong.

>>572927

1 Corinthians 1:18

For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

>>572940

And have your KJV bible studies' group tricked you into denying the Mother of God with scripture? Pure slander, heinous libel.

>>572941

Answer God's question first: If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

>>572946

did your study group have a "one little trick to trick papists" seminar or what?

what does this have to do with Mary as the Mother of God?

>>572949

Well I mean if you deny Colossians 1:17 in your answer to this question then I know how to deal with you. Otherwise you will have no choice but to accept the truth. This question is found in Matthew 22:42-45, and again in Mark 12:37 and in Luke 20:44.

So if you can't even find a response to this, why are you in here railing against people who know doctrine and who know the Bible right now?

>>572961

You put words in my mouth and green-text scripture without context, there's no reasoning with you, there never was.

>>572962

Then neither will I answer your question. So please leave all us alone.

>>572964

Nobody answers your questions, you do this to everybody. Quit using Scripture to insult the Mother of God, you don't know what you're doing.

>>572927

>virgin