8afec1 No.559606
The most predominantly Orthodox and Catholic countries are crime ridden shitholes. Why have protestant and secular cultures produced more industrious and prosperous nations?
I guess it can be explained why they're less rich, God doesn't exactly promise wealth. But if a country is predominantly atheist or only nominally Christian, I am probably way safer there than a country populated by the devout.
Can even see this within the United States, the Bible belt has more murder, theft, assault, all of that than the unchurched numale east and west coast. Black people are more churched than the suburbanites and yet this hasn't helped them.
Doesn't say a lot for Christian virtue imo
08ff47 No.559607
287cbb No.559611
8afec1 No.559614
>>559611
I will look for citation on my Bible belt claim, but I feel I don't need it for the rest.
Compare Western Europe and Canada to everywhere south of Texas. Compare Western Europe to Eastern Europe. Compare Northern Ireland to England. Compare the first world to the third
eaa655 No.559616
>>559606
>Bible belt has more crime than NY, Boston, Baltimore, DC, LA, San Fran, San Diego, Oakland etc. etc.
hmmm interesting
287cbb No.559619
>>559614
Hasn't Chicago had like over 1500 shootings this year alone?
ab366e No.559620
Not really sure where you're getting this. In metropolitan areas, very secular places, the crime rate is far higher than the more rural areas.
>Black people are more churched than the suburbanites and yet this hasn't helped them.
Because blacks are more likely to commit crime. Religion hasn't helped them because a lot of the time it's just cultural Christianity, same deal with third world countries, they haven't really learned their faith and usually justify whatever they do by claiming a "special relationship" with God or something.
f07fa3 No.559621
>>559606
>>559614
Italy, who still has some mafia left in the south and lots of immigrants has a lower crime index than America.
Poland even has a lower crime index than Canada.
Where the fugg are you taking your data from?
35e043 No.559623
The reason why eastern europe is poor is because of communism. I don't know how are crime levels on the West, but to call my country crime ridden shithole is a great dishonesty.
>Compare Western Europe to Eastern Europe.
Xd
8afec1 No.559624
>>559623
Most of the risk are from Muslims, those with ethics more similar to yours than the secular progressive cosmopolitans
fc6f4e No.559625
You can only be secular once you're safe. Does Christianity bring crime to populations? I don't think so. Rather, I think that once a population is safe they longer see the point of God. There's a reason why Empires become more and more leftist as time goes on. It's a mental disease born from safety.
287cbb No.559627
>>559624
>>559625
Aren't liberal ideals the result of Christian morals bereft of Christianity? I'm pretty sure this is an observation that's been made for over a century now.
fc6f4e No.559628
>>559625
>they no longer see the point of God
35e043 No.559630
>>559623
The secular progressive cosmopolitans are the ones inviting them.
35e043 No.559631
>>559630
meant to point to >>559624
fc6f4e No.559637
>>559627
Certainly not. Read your Bible. God gave us a purpose, anything that works towards that purpose is useful.
dcd9d5 No.559638
>industrialised mass child sacrifice
>healthy society
>believing what Jewish satanic media tells me
Wow
ef091d No.559639
The problem with Orthodox countries is that most of them are poor and shitholes. That's the cause of crime, not Orthodoxy. Poland is probably the most Catholic country right now and crime isn't a big problem there.
2e9e7a No.559652
I mean I don't have the data but I'm sure that rich religious areas (southern Germany, for instance) don't have crime and poor secular areas do have crime.
You are looking at the wrong variable. I'm from argentina and catholics here usually are dirt-poor or well to do. Guess who are doing the crime.
287cbb No.559656
>>559637
I'm not disagreeing with you, but what does that have to do with liberals attempting to be moral without God?
c2ed48 No.559664
I don't think it's particularly a problem with a specific religion, but poverty in each country.
fc6f4e No.559667
>>559656
Liberal ideas aren't the result of Christian morals is what I was going to say, but I simplified it to what it is now.
287cbb No.559679
>>559667
I don't understand your counterargument. Seems like you're just disagreeing with me.
67d23e No.559681
fc6f4e No.559684
>>559679
God gave us purpose and everything that He does is with purpose. When you remove God you also remove the purpose. Once you're left without purpose you can't build a moral system. If liberal morality is actually just Christian morality than these two things would be indistinguishable. Liberal morality isn't Christian morality, it is morality born from safety.
287cbb No.559685
>>559684
I would argue that all of Western morality is based off of Christian values. Secularists have removed that rock and are trying to live in the system without it. Its not that they built a moral system, its that they're trying to use what's left of one.
67d23e No.559689
>>559685
It's kind of unusual that OP compares former Christian countries that recently dropped it with former atheist ones that recently adopted it.
fc6f4e No.559692
>>559685
You'd be right, but I'm more worried about why they want to remove God. The only possible explanation I can think of is that they're absolutely physically secure.
287cbb No.559693
>>559692
Well, the only correlation with rise in atheism that I know of outside of communism is a country's wealth. That being said, communism has been preached in the universities for decades now.
df7c97 No.559745
>>559606
So many implying implications my eyes are bleeding
39cff7 No.559748
>>559623
>Italy same threat level as Germany
into the trash it goes
072464 No.559750
>>559623
>Switzerland has low threat level
I can legitimately hear the left wing butthurt in the background
fc6f4e No.559751
>>559750
I sometimes forget Switzerland is even a thing.
287cbb No.559778
>>559751
I think they prefer it that way.
8df78e No.559838
>>559751
Did not they secretly became a dystopia with government heavily cracking on information control and surveillance?
40ceb4 No.559842
>>559627
Since when do liberals value humility and faith?
4183a5 No.559850
>>559606
Depends on where you are. Keep in mind that cities will always have greater amounts of violent crime just by virtue of there being more people; same with 'victimless crimes' like drug use and fornication. All rural areas have markedly less crime per capita for the same reason, even less so due to strong community bonds and religiosity compared to the cities. This dynamic has been at play now since the advent of cities thousands of years ago.
The bible belt has more violent and petty crimes, which are also centered on urban areas, because of the disproportionate amount of crime committed by blacks and hispanics compared to their minority population. There's a mountain of reasons, but the point stands that when the cities are avoided, the chances of you being affected by crime drop significantly. Consider as well that most people involved in the Church are not particularly devout; modernity has commodified spirituality, and it is considered eccentric to take the Word of God with the gravity that is required of it. Take that as you will.
There was a time when we were both relatively devout and safe in the West. The importation of people ill-adjusted to our society, the progressive breakdown of our moral structures, the cult of technocracy, and the rise of increasingly banal and material-bound rather than spirit-bound thoughtforms has devastated those notions and left us hollow, draining the core of the past three generations and, for lack of a better term, ruining everything.
6d6686 No.559874
>>559606
>The most predominantly Orthodox and Catholic countries are crime ridden shitholes. Why have protestant and secular cultures produced more industrious and prosperous nations?
It all boils down to protestant work ethics.
Before cold war Germany had prospering Protestant areas and poor Catholic ones.
Now the American occupation zone (ex Catholic) is prospering, the Soviet one (ex Protestant) is recovering, while the British zone (ex Protestant) is turning into a shithole similar to London.
Conclusion: Once the majority of the population doesn't attend church anymore, external factors take over.
aaaefe No.559876
aaaefe No.559883
>>559877
thats great anon, post more plz
902fb2 No.559886
They grew in prosperity while they were Christian. I wouldn't say they're on the upward trajectory now.
516ad9 No.559909
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>Depression and suicide through the roof
>STDs everywhere
>Misery and bitterness in every household
>Drugs everywhere
>Only survives because of the foundations Christianity upheld
>Healthy
5e2184 No.559914
>>559909
>image
Don't take the Lord's name in vain please.
aaaefe No.559919
>>559877
good times create femboys and cuteboys :^)
013ecd No.559974
>>559685
The truth of the century and the ages to come has been revealed to us from this post.
bb047e No.559987
>>559606
>Bible belt
Blacks live in the Bible belt. This explains crime.
3e333e No.560187
>>559624
>Most of the risk are from Muslims
And who brought those muslims there?
On the other hand, eastern euro muslims are bro as fuck(barring secessionism-based conflicts like Chechnya)
9125ef No.560876
>>559606
All the modern "prosperous" secular societies were built (directly or indirectly) by Christianity, but got too rich for their own good and have succumbed to their pride and avarice. As Christ said and history has shown, the Gospel will always be better received by the poor and the downtrodden.
>Doesn't say a lot for Christian virtue imo
Careful there, before you unknowingly buy into the leftist ideas of "progress". Christianity isn't about "building moral societies" or any such progressive hokum; it's about salvation which comes to those who admit their own weaknesses. Secular "prosperous" societies, underneath the neat veneer which may make them seem okay to you, still have no shortage of sin but little repentance, which is worse in God's eyes than a contrite murderer.
d28388 No.560926
>>559606
>Implying a society that urges groups of men to cut off their genitalia is healthy.
075d67 No.561669
>>559606
>When you are able, appear unable. When you are unable, appear able.
Religiosity is a sign of moral depredation.
You do not need faith in human goodness when you witness it every day.
075d67 No.561670
>>559621
>Poland even has a lower crime index than Canada.
I talked to a guy who lived in Germany once. In his area if a car was stolen the police would not respond because your car would be across the Polish border by the time they arrived.
Even in Canada, murders are undder reported. Can you imagine how it would be in Poland?
89742e No.561672
>>559606
>secular societies
>more healthy
I think you mean more quiet
e6306b No.561673
>>559877
That skull behind is horryfying
2ff100 No.561746
So, let me get this straight.
Christianity sorted out Europe. Italy, France and Austria and English Catholics developed the most beautiful expressions of faith and art ever. But north-west was too materialistic and prospered by denouncing Catholicism to loot the monasteries, allowing debt economies, engaging in plentiful slave trade and starting horrors such as the industrial revolution. And now when these treacherous places have their 2-3 centuries of wealth, suddenly it's a conundrum why real faith isn't as "prosperous"
Enjoy those migrants. I hope you get replaced.
b458f9 No.561833
>>559606
Step 1- View breakdown of crime by county
Step 2- View breakdown of counties by race
Step 3- Realize what an idiot you've been (do the same for "religious" vs. "secular" countries)
Christianity doesn't promise worldly riches or material prosperity (even if it does have a lot to do with the prosperity of European countries as compared to their pagan past, it doesn't promise this and naturally doesn't deliver it to all peoples; luckily it offers endless spiritual wealth to all)
56cb99 No.562064
>24% of population murdered before they're even born
>low crime rate