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0f9050 No.558028

So over on reddit the Orthodox sub has steadily been heading towards some kind of dual covenant theology and postmodern garbage about gays and transgenders from Public Orthodoxy is posted almost every day. This leads to a pretty bad situation as to how Orthodoxy is represented to normies.

If I made a sub dedicated to exploring and explaining the Orthodox Tradition I was wondering if anyone would be interested. I understand that you can post here but the nature of the chans is that you can't really have a stable source of info on things.

Basically, my idea is to have a place dedicated to learning about the Orthodox exegesis of Scripture and the theology and philosophy of the Fathers up to the present day e.g. Fr Dumitru Staniloae's neo-Patristic synthesis for his Trinitarian ecclesiology would be included.

Might be a "cancerous" thread but I'm sick of seeing Orthodoxy represented as something accepting of progressivism.

c46300 No.558036

>>558028

What are your thoughts on Robin Amis?


060d60 No.558038


e44b66 No.558039

The problem isn't with r/orthodox, it is with Public Orthodoxy spreading heresy written by prots and sold under the name of Orthodoxy.


0f9050 No.558043

>>558036

Never heard of him.

>>558038

Yep, those are pretty good resources; however, they aren't community based and often people don't know about them. Also, orthodoxinfo is hit pretty hard on r/OrthodoxChristianity due to it having a lot of anti-ecumenist stuff (although a very few of the articles there are dubious).

>>558039

Yes, but unfortunately it has a strong foothold on r/OrthodoxChristianity and they now ban if you don't agree with dual covenant theology due to "anti-semitism"


96c799 No.558046

>>558028

>I'm sick of seeing Orthodoxy represented as something accepting of progressivism.

The mistake was moving beyond eternal scripture as the sole source of doctrine.


0f9050 No.558049

File: 957a0a95ddc1b3c⋯.jpg (62.8 KB, 400x558, 200:279, st-maximos-the-confessor-e….jpg)

>>558046

I plan to have a strong basis of Scriptural exegesis as one of the main focuses of the new place I'm making. One of the recommended sources will be:

http://kabane52.tumblr.com/

Which has loads of good stuff on it. I think It would be good to link what the Fathers talk about to Biblical scholarship too so I will probably post on that there with monthly topics.


e44b66 No.558053

>>558043

>and they now ban if you don't agree with dual covenant theology due to "anti-semitism"

what the fuck, since when? i don't go on there very often but i've never seen this… i haven't even seen a dual covenant theology supported there… not that i disbelieve you i'm just incredulous


52e11e No.558056

>>558028

>So over on reddit

There's the problem right there.

>>558043

>Yes, but unfortunately it has a strong foothold on r/OrthodoxChristianity and they now ban if you don't agree with dual covenant theology due to "anti-semitism"

Kikes being subversive… on reddit of all places?!?!?! Unbelievable.


cbac60 No.558057

Wouldn't it be better to post on the main subreddit where they pish dumb heresies? So u can offer the trad view for those interested

Best to just proclaim it matter of factly and ignore the heretics who wanna argue their stupid shit


30cad1 No.558059

>>558038

>>558043

OrthodoxInfo used to be a schismatic website, and although it's apparently under canonical authority now, a lot of its schismatic-oriented earlier articles were left alone. In other words: tread with caution if you know nothing about the faith.


0f9050 No.558062

File: 729735bd0f7bc09⋯.jpg (421.17 KB, 600x833, 600:833, stjohndamascus.jpg)

>>558057

The problem is that they now ban you for doing this.I used to do it but it's gotten progressively worse.

>>558053

I cited Romans 9 and Galatians 4 against an earthly Israel and got banned for 2 months. Given that I was arguing against someone who is a new moderator….

>>558059

Yep. It does have a lot of great stuff that I can't find anywhere else though.


30cad1 No.558064

>>558062

>Yep. It does have a lot of great stuff that I can't find anywhere else though.

For good sources…

http://orthodoxinfo.com/ (of course)

http://www.orthodoxchristianity.net/forum/index.php

https://afkimel.wordpress.com/ (warning: author isn't a fan of the 5th Council of Constantinople)

https://bekkos.wordpress.com/ (warning: author is a fan of John Bekkos)

https://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/

https://shamelessorthodoxy.com/ (warning: author is a weeb)

http://grforafrica.blogspot.com/

https://full-of-grace-and-truth.blogspot.com/


060d60 No.558080


b430da No.558094

>>558064

>Shameless Orthodoxy

great, now you're going to summon him here.


d924e9 No.558112

>>558028

Sounds like a good idea! There needs to be a less degenerate outpost of Orthodoxy there. If you focus on the Bible and Church Fathers then there isn't much that degenerates can do


9faf5a No.558125

It's all because of aletheia, he pushes his agenda (what you described) onto the subreddit.


93a9f3 No.558152

File: aff507bdd167640⋯.png (283.31 KB, 619x767, 619:767, ClipboardImage.png)

Good luck, but it probably won't work. Not only will you probably not get the approval needed from other subs, such as r/Christianity or r/TrueChristian which have denom links, but if you start successful you will be bombarded with Russaboos who can't really support their own faith but feel entitled to treat those who disagree with them as idiots.

For this reason I am happy to see someone has already talked about Scriptural Exegesis and Kabane who is one of my favorite Orthodox people online.

If you want to moderate well you will have to deal with controversial issues like pic related, just figured you should realize what your getting into from the beginning.

I've had my eye on r/OrthodoxChrstianity for a while now and been banned two or three time, and while I still really dislike some things about them I will say I have changed my opinions in some ways. Giziti isn't a mod, but rather a reoccurring feature of the sub, while I used to really dislike him or her I don't as much any more, as I have seen more of the retardation trying to pass itself off as traditionalism and how that needs to be dealt with, and that dealing with it too harshly is perhaps better than too passively. The other thing is the anti-semitism policy, personally I have not had any run ins with "dual covenant theology", but I have seen people essentially advocating genocide, and as the mod of this new sub you need to decide how you will deal with mass calls to violence.

Someone else link OrthodoxInfo andOrthodoxWiki. I would say that OrthodoxIfo is a mixed bag with some complete nonsense included. OrthodoxWiki is kinda weak in some areas, and one idea I had for myself but maybe could be a good activity for your sub is to build up the wikis Scriptural pages, many of the books have no info at all.

One other thing mentioned by someone is OrthodoxChristianity.net,but isn't that run by a schismatic?

If you do decide to really try though then good luck, I'll probably stop by and be told I'm not Orthodox and we can all have a fun time

Any idea on the name yet?


93a9f3 No.558155

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Also you do know that some people on here tried this a while ago and it didn't get far right? I was in the thread it was thought up and abandoned that ship before it set sail. So if you make the thread and people assume it's not going anywhere that's because it's already happened before


b9bea4 No.558186

>>558028

Definitely sounds interesting. Keep us posted.


24f87f No.558242

i look in on r/ Orthodox occasionally it doesn't seem that bad tbh


d4c693 No.558247

File: 6f7318ccf61bb42⋯.png (30.68 KB, 572x708, 143:177, fdc40eb994bc4c7eb3b9edb037….png)

Are you saying that orthodoxy isn't just the denomination for protestants who hate catholics?


921c9c No.558257

Modernism has no bounds.


fe988a No.558270

File: 058be79c34724d9⋯.png (449.53 KB, 997x748, 997:748, deadinside.png)

>pearls before swine


417ee5 No.558283

>>558028

>but the nature of the chans is that you can't really have a stable source of info on things.

maybe you could make a infodump like a infograph or something to post around these parts.


0f9050 No.558291

File: fa6f53ebcdd6fa2⋯.jpg (14.33 KB, 206x245, 206:245, stjohnchrysostom.jpg)

>>558152

>>558155

>>558186

Yes, I saw r/BeautifulOrthodoxy crash and burn too; however, I've moved on a lot from that time and have been working on my own knowledge of the faith much more.

I agree that r/OrthodoxChristianity deals with retarded fundamentalist style "Traditionalism" fairly well but I think the focus is way too general there anyway. As I'm banned and the mods pretty much hate me, I won't be going there for a while but in principle its still okayish. Giziti has his good points but pushes a lot of subversive stuff too.

I think r/BeautifulOrthodoxy died because it had no real direction, impetus, or potential userbase. I want to offer something that could supplement r/OrthodoxChristianity and its userbase while having a strong Traditionalist focus - here I'm thinking the overall harmony of the Fathers, Patristic syntheses, help for people getting started in Orthodox Biblical exegesis and more!

I've made a start as r/EOCTradition but could go with something different if that crashes.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EOCTradition/

I do recall with the last attempt Giziti and co launched the suggested names to roadblock things - he/she can be quite bitter and hateful although I understand he/she has good intentions with trying to get marginalized groups into the Church. Wish he was more understanding of the efforts of others in different areas though.

One idea is a Biblical studies weekly post where we'd go through a chapter of a Biblical book each week using Patristic sources, Academic papers etc. to develop a stronger foundation of knowledge. The idea needs to be workshopped though. I'm a fan of Dr. Heiser in Biblical scholarship and the whole idea of a "Divine Council" gets pretty big with St Dionysius' "Celestial Hierarchy" and "Ecclesiastical Hierarchy" so that's a potential starting point too.

I've gone through the Guenon edgy phase so could do stuff on Egypt vs Biblical religions in the Bible too.

You get the basic idea of where I'm going with this, I hope!


0f9050 No.558294

>>558152

>>558155

>>558186

There isn't anything there yet as I only made it to save a space for stuff that I can do. If anyone is interested in helping that would make things faster but I have some free time to develop it on my own as well. Will be rough to start with as I don't have much experience


0f9050 No.558301

>>558112

>>558152

>>558155

>>558186

>>558242

So, with around 4-5 potentially interested people we could attempt a test run on St Paul's Epistle to the Galatians, if you guys are down? I personally have St Theophylact's "Explanation", St John Chrysostom's homilies are on Catholic Encyclopedia, David Bradshaw's article on Divine Energies in the NT touches on parts that deal with "energeia" such as Gal 5:6, there is room for talk about pistis Christou as "faithfulness of Christ" in 2:15-16 which I think Kabane talks about a bit. Can't recall Blessed Theophylact's interpretation there.

Dr Heiser has a video on the sin of the Watchers in Gal 3:19. I'm also open to suggestions and other papers, videos, sources on the topic…or we could do something else.

Question is: chapter by chapter? Or all in one megapost/thread?


24f87f No.558308

>>558301

I'm a bit confused about this tbh are they really saying anything other than Duel covenant isn't allowed. if you wanna make a post i will chime in on it though.


0f9050 No.558311

>>558308

It may just have been an excuse to get rid of a conservative voice on the sub. If I put in a bit of time, could have a worthwhile project regardless


93a9f3 No.558495

>>558291

>Giziti has his good points but pushes a lot of subversive stuff too.

Didn't mean to imply anything else, I just know I and others have got angry at him or her probably unjustifiably in the past.

>I think r/BeautifulOrthodoxy died because it had no real direction, impetus, or potential userbase.

I would go further than this and say that it crashed and burned because it did have a direction of sort, and that was hateful retaliation to r/OrthodoxChristianity, and it had a potential user base to draw from, and many of those people hate the platform. I think if you want a successful userbase they need to be people moved by love and with an intention to spread the Gospel, not just moved by hate with an urge to yell at degenerates.

>I do recall with the last attempt Giziti and co launched the suggested names to roadblock things

I had forgotten about that, it probably is a good idea never to put names up here first in hindsight

>>558301

I like the idea, but I don't really know the best way to do it, whether megapost or chapter by chapter. I do like the idea of knowing ahead of time though so I can read some relevant material ahead of time.

Love your ideas so far and would love to participate, but at least right now I'm not going to start any of my own threads probably.

>>558311

I only just realized you are poorjohn. How the heck did you not get banned for so long? I kept seeing you posts and wondering how they hadn't gotten rid of you yet. I know that people don't like reddit links on here, but could you say the thread you got the ban for posting in?


93a9f3 No.558499

>>558495

It's also worth noting that if brokehugs and co aren't already on this then they will be, and they will use your history of posting in debatefacism or whatever against you and the new sub. Personally I don't care, if I remember correctly you already said you weren't a fascist, but to many talking to fascists makes you one no matter what


0f9050 No.558597

>>558495

>I would go further than this and say that it crashed and burned because it did have a direction of sort, and that was hateful retaliation to r/OrthodoxChristianity, and it had a potential user base to draw from, and many of those people hate the platform. I think if you want a successful userbase they need to be people moved by love and with an intention to spread the Gospel, not just moved by hate with an urge to yell at degenerates.

Yep, which is why I think a positive focus on learning about Tradition could be a way to go, although I'm leaving the door open for politics posting and philosophy etc.

>I like the idea, but I don't really know the best way to do it, whether megapost or chapter by chapter. I do like the idea of knowing ahead of time though so I can read some relevant material ahead of time.

Maybe the best way would be to just go straight ahead and test things. Will probably start trying stuff out later today.

>

Love your ideas so far and would love to participate, but at least right now I'm not going to start any of my own threads probably.

I don't expect anyone to put in effort on something I haven't done anything on yet.

>I only just realized you are poorjohn. How the heck did you not get banned for so long? I kept seeing you posts and wondering how they hadn't gotten rid of you yet. I know that people don't like reddit links on here, but could you say the thread you got the ban for posting in?

I don't know precisely as mods ignored messages asking for clarification but given that it was for "antisemitism" it would have been that post by xTheotokosx:

>I just had another back and fourth exchange with someone on the Christian page on Reddit and the guy was saying that the Orthodox Church is anti Semitic. He says they won't condemn Hamas like hey do Israel. What do you guys make of this? Is the Church really anti Semitic ?

I would have been banned for one of these:

>Semites are a race. All races are welcome in the Church. Individual Jews might complain about anti-zionism or anti-judaism but that really has nothing to do with antisemitism. Also, Israel is a terrorist state and so is the USA - especially the US and its many war-crimes.

"The Jews must also be free to remain Jews" - aletheia

>This is why the Church is an existential threat to them and many hate Christianity. It denies them the special privileges in the eyes of God that they invented. If you use that definition the Church's very existence is intrinsically antisemitic.

>Or, given that Christ was only incarnated because of Mary's assent and the Jewish people, the Church has an intrinsic positive link to Judaism. This reinforced by liturgy, early conversions, scripture, and so on.

What do you mean by "invented"? The scriptures make it clear that the Jews are chosen among the nations to fulfil God's economy. - 10101011010

>Well, let's define things better then. The Church has an intrinsic positive link to certain aspects of 2nd Temple Judaism and inherits the Hebrew Scriptures. Modern Rabbinic Judaism is a heretical offshoot of the true Israel which is the Church which St Paul points out many times (Rom 9, Gal 4).

God's economy is fulfilled and the nations have been re-inherited by God. To maintain an earthly Israel is Judaizing.

"I assume this is well-known by members of this forum.

However, ideas like that expressed in your last sentence of the above post risk equivocating between both and are used to justify (properly) anti-semitic beliefs.

You offered one definition, I countered with another. Do you think any of us gain anything from this game? Or do we make it clearer to someone reading this thread?" - 1011001000101

>Honestly, I couldn't care less about being called antisemitic for some fabricated reason. I'd rather maintain the beliefs of the Church and be called an antisemite than compromise them. My comment above is clear enough for that.

>>558499

Yeah, brokehugs is a shithole. I don't really see what they're going to do


0f9050 No.558599

>>558495

Screwed up the quotes a bit. Just look at the thread if you care to see. It was probably this comment that I made anyway:

"Well, let's define things better then. The Church has an intrinsic positive link to certain aspects of 2nd Temple Judaism and inherits the Hebrew Scriptures. Modern Rabbinic Judaism is a heretical offshoot of the true Israel which is the Church which St Paul points out many times (Rom 9, Gal 4).

God's economy is fulfilled and the nations have been re-inherited by God. To maintain an earthly Israel is Judaizing."

Given that I was talking to 2 mods one or both got butthurt and decided that not believing in an earthly Israel means we have to destroy the Jewish state or something retarded.


089e7e No.558627

>>558301

Try a megathread or several chapters at a time unless you want to focus on the historicity of Gal 1 and its relation to Acts

http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/actspaul.php


0f9050 No.558781

>>558627

Sure, I'll add that in an make a start

Weekly, Church Father to talk about could be interesting too


0f9050 No.558855

File: 3e8f9b83e0889b2⋯.jpg (16.45 KB, 203x248, 203:248, Stpaul.jpg)

Alright, I've posted the first thread which is a test run for studying an epistle. I chose Galatians:

https://www.reddit.com/r/EOCTradition/comments/7droo0/epistle_to_the_galatians_study_thread/

Let me know if you think of a better way to structure it, things to add, comment there with other good sources or papers etc.


0f9050 No.558856


f5fc53 No.558917

>>558855

That's a huge amount of reading to do. It's more suited to a monthly post. I'll give it a look


a94454 No.558928

>>558855

Would Reformed interpretation and dialog be welcome?


912526 No.558939

We all have our issues; as a Catholic, I wish for God to send a harsh punishment for how we failed to take action against the rising evil in the West and in the Roman Church.


b66874 No.558941

File: 2fb90a29bafa5ae⋯.jpg (128.1 KB, 434x434, 1:1, 2fb90a29bafa5aec3e81efd6f1….jpg)

>>558939

What are you talking about?

The Catholic subreddit is run by trad priests, seminarians and some religious sisters (one is a qt, I must admit). Check it out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/


912526 No.558952

>>558941

I was talking mostly IRL stuff


b66874 No.558953

>>558952

ya but still join us there


912526 No.558954

>>558953

I'm already Catholic. I just think the Church as a whole is in a terrible state.

I just wish I could stop coming here: I hate this place.


0f9050 No.559270

>>558928

Sure, you're welcome. My focus is on Orthodox Christian exegesis but I'm happy to dialogue and debate with other perspectives which is the Tradition and practice of the Fathers in any case.

>>558941

>>558952

You fellas are welcome too if you like. Although there is an active Bible reading sub it is devotional rather than education focused. One can learn a lot through debate and questions.


0f9050 No.559428

Final bump

Also if anyone wants to post the link into r/OrthodoxChristianity so I can avoid being completely shoahed from the site


9af32e No.559563

Isn't the biggest misrepresentation that people say you don't believe in original sin?


24f87f No.559708

>>559563

wouldn't you say the biggest misrepresentation is that people claim we have the same theology in public when your theologians call our positions heretical?


93a9f3 No.559709

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>>559708

>people claim we have the same theology in public

I try my hardest to correct this


1e7804 No.559741

>>559709

Easy there, you're going to get called an ortholarp by that ecumenicist Catholic.


93a9f3 No.559742

File: 324b2f7557fe36c⋯.png (23.76 KB, 632x852, 158:213, CleanSmokingWojak.png)

>>559741

Ortholarp by Catholics, Protestant by Ortholapers, truly my role is an underappreciated one


f1f5f3 No.559834

>>559563

Ancestral sin is the equivalent to Original sin but there are significant differences between the two. Orthodox don't believe in inherited guilt - we believe in inherited death and being born into a fallen world. Everyone then sins because of death and contributes to the perpetuation of the worlds fallen condition.


3f8ec0 No.559849

File: acb137d9d7578fc⋯.jpg (28.14 KB, 552x414, 4:3, problem-solved.jpg)

>>558028

>((( reddit )))

Hmmm. I see the problem here …

>If I made a sub

There are no subs on 8ch. I'd tell you to remove thyself back to plebbit if you weren't so darn serious … What is this sub business. You mean you want to create a new board on 8ch or a orthbro thread on /christian/?

Cuz if you're advocating I go within 200km of <rainbow-colour-effect>reddit</etc> … the answer is NO.


31db43 No.560449

>>558125

> user name is aletheia

> modding a christianity subreddit

it's a reference to heidegger and thus a radical pagan lutheranism….interesting




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