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Just gunna pop in here and casually remind everyone of the Orthodox master race

I believe catholics do

>Baptists think catholics are unsaved because they put too much emphasis on the virgin mary, the trinity, and all the rituals that go along with catholicism.

No it's because they rely on they're works to get saved and being a good boi instead if just in Jesus

Matthew 7

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luke 18

10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Catholic, and the other a Baptist.

11 The Catholic stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this Baptist.

12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

13 And the Baptist, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

I don't think all Baptists are going to hell. I do think that Protestants in general put their soul in great jeopardy than Catholics do by trusting too much in their faith and not changing their lives enough to be true Christians. Of course, there are also a ton of Catholics, especially in America, who don't truly practice or change their lives either.

>>556649

>Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Catholic, and the other a Baptist.

Must be an Independent Fundamental Baptist KJV only part of the Bible

>>556640

A Catholic quietly states his opinion while two Baptist start mud-flinging immediately.

I think that says everything we need to know.

Oh color me surprised, its just one Baptist making multiple posts.

>>556653

James 16:11

Woe unto the Catholics and Orthodox, they think they have salvation but their end is damnation.

>>556640

Those Catholics that accept the free gift of salvation (I'm sure there are some) will be in heaven one day.

>>556658

(you)'re making a great point there. Or at least I wish (you) were.

>>556661

See that's what I never got about the Sola Fide crowd. If the Catholics believe in Christ as their Savior and recognize that they are saved through grace, which they do, then why aren't all/most of them saved?

humility

>>556665

Catholics are devil worshipers anon. At least that's what the Baptist Pharisees, I mean preachers, say.

>>556665

Because you're trying to save your self and not putting your faith all on Christ >>556649

>>556673

You have a very poor understanding of Catholic salvation theology if that's what you believe. We don't rely on our works to save us; rather, we believe that grave sin can doom us because we have violated God's commandments. No amount of good works will get you into heaven, but persisting in sin can surely send yourself to hell.

Oh, and thanks for the bait thread OP. Needed a good laugh.

>>556674

So you still think you have ro be a good boi and not sin. And you do atleast believe you need to do communion and be baptized which is works

>>556675

But you think to get the grace you got to do the works

>mean couldn't one just argue that going and getting Baptized is someone trying to save themself.

Getting baptized doesn't save you

>>556682

I am unbaptized. am i doomed?

>>556690

Did you read the last sentence I posted?

>>556649

>13 And the Baptist, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

tbh i can't really see this happening. anderson is always sperging out and screaming and then there's the baptist guy who yells "you deserve rape" with a megaphone. not to mention the DAS RITE/AMEN BROTHER crowd

>>556692

It actually said publican but i switched it as a joke. Either way the humble sinner that doesn't got the works got saved and the guy relying on his works will burn

>>556682

You have no idea what I think anon. I would appreciate it if you don't put words in my mouth.

And i apologize, but I don't feel like discussing theology with another Baptist right now. Still burnt out from being in that thread with that 'disingenuous apologetic'.

>>556694

So you think to gi to Heaven you don't need to do any works?

>>556698

What is wrong with you anon? You're acting like a disinfo agent.

>>556697

Most Baptists believe babies that die go to Heaven so maybe include that

>>556697

the orthodox one implies that theosis has an humanly attainable end goal, so no

>>556690

You said getting baptized doesn't save you. You didnt say whether or not that getting baptized doomed you.

>>556705

Why would getting baptized damn you? If you think baptism saves you then yeah but just getting baptized because you should doesn't

I guess he is a disinfo agent… Good to know this board is infected too.

I guess the end goal would be to fan the hatred among the different denominations.

Divide and conquer.

Peace brothers and don't let these shills dominate the discussion.

>>556640

I believe Christ foresaw all the coming division among Christians and that's why he said he didn't come to bring peace but with a sword. This is the way it's supposed to be, regardless of if we understand it. I believe the true threat to Christians is not getting doctrine wrong because Christ said blasphemy of the Father and Son can be forgiven, only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot, and I believe the Holy Spirit has something to do with truth and faith which connects us to God because he says only what he hears. Christ's mercy is infinite. All those who truly accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will be taken into the kingdom of heaven. The real reason many Christians will not is their faith is lukewarm and for so many of us in our hearts we know we're lukewarm. Even if the practice is perfect no one lawyers their way into heaven because God sees the truth in all of us.

>>556655

>A Catholic quietly states his opinion while two Baptist start mud-flinging immediately.

The opposite usually happens, tho.

>>556697

For the first there is the rest before it and judgement day, and the millennia of judgement in which the influence of sin is removed from Earth before the final judgement.

>>556665

It's because saving faith is pure trust. If you attempt to avoid mortal sins because you believe they'll send you to hell you have mixed faith with works of the law, and you do not have saving faith.

>>556729

>only blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot, and I believe the Holy Spirit has something to do with truth and faith which connects us to God because he says only what he hears

because of how Luther's Sola Fide works, most theological justification for most protestant sects essentially comes down to "do you feel like you have the Holy Spirit? Ok, then you're justified and so is your doctrine".

…which if you actually stop and reflect on this, surely sounds like blasphemy of the Holy Spirit if the recipient is NOT receiving -anything- from the Holy Spirit, right?

Be wary.

>>556802

Yeah I'll be real wary. So which is your monopoly on salvation? Orthodox or Catholic? Flip a coin I guess.

It is dogma that there is no salvation outside of the catholic church and Jesus is literally and physically the church. It is impossible for those who reject the church to achieve salvation for they reject Jesus.

All protestants and schismatics go to hell. I still love you all though and pray for your repentance.

>>556820

What the heck are you saying?

1. The church is the bride of Christ, not Christ.

2. Even the Catholic doctrine says its possible for people outside the church to be saved.

>>556914

The church is both the bride of Christ and the body of christ.

It is dogma that there is no salvation outside of the catholic church

>>556915

copy pasta

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

CCC 847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

There's an entire thread about people being saved outside the Church.

https://8ch.net/christian/res/556806.html

Backed by both Scripture and Catachism

>>556944

Not the anon you were responding to.

All Protestants know about the existence of Christ's Church, so this statement doesn't really apply to them and the other anon's point still stands to an extent.

CCC 847 could be used in the example of a goat herder in the mountains of Nepal or a tribesmen from the desert in 147 AD, you know?

>>556952

Well, I don't particularly care to dig through the Church's statements on Protestants and Salvation. Not a big enough issue to me.

If the Church's official view was that all Protestants are doomed to Hell. Well, that would only hurt it in my eyes.

>>556954

>Protestants

From what I've read online, it varies. The Church recognizes that people born into Protestantism aren't knowingly making the same mistakes as for example someone that knowingly becomes an apostate from Catholicism to Protestantism.

I don't know too much about this subject, sorry.

>>556956

Nothing to apologize for, I don't know much about it either.

Jesus Christ said that the majority will go to hell.

>“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it. For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

//my opinion//

90 to 99% of people will go to hell.

//

we don't have a clue which soul goes to hell, that is the judgment of our blessed Lord and the Protestants jeopardize their salvation by being outside the visible body of the Catholic Church.

I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”

The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us [his] flesh to eat?” Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”

>>557016

>his blood, you do not have life within you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day

If you take that as literally eating the bread and wine then that means unbelievers will be saved forever if they do communion only one time and never have to do it again.

Also that's completely off topic

also John 6:47

>>557033

>Also that's completely off topic

Nevermind that part. I thought thus was a different thread

>>557016

I wouldn't be surprised if 90%of Catholics go to hell.

>>557033

should I do it? should I derail this thread?

what do you guys think? please vote and leave a comment.

>>557052

nuke it lad

>>557056

The first part is directly from Luke which you can look up here:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+1&version=MSG

> Good morning Mary!

> You’re beautiful with God’s beauty,

> Beautiful inside and out!

> God be with you!

> You’re so blessed among women,

> and the babe in your womb, Jesus, is also blessed!