/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

No Christianity is the truth. Just not (((their))) form of christianity. Read the KJV Bible and realise the revelations 2:9's in modern day (((israel))) are actual the Daniel 11's of today.

>>550025

<they prayed for diversity

<never went back

That's a pretty terrible reason for not worshiping the Creator of the Universe and your Lord and Savior. Stop going on /pol/

There is neither Jew nor Greek; there is neither slave nor freeman; there is neither male nor female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.

>maybe a reason to give Christianity another shot.

Eternal damnation?

>maybe a reason to give Christianity another shot.

the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ actually happened.

https://pastebin.com/mwnjMcP3

>>550025

>I was wondering if anyone could give me another perspective, maybe a reason to give Christianity another shot.

You are a sinner. Right now, God is very angry with you, so angry He will punish you for your evil deeds every single day forever. But if you repent and belieive in Jesus Christ, you will be saved.

>>550025

Perhaps you could provide us with some of the arguments that convinced you to leave the path?

>>550033

A lot of it is the rapid degeneracy of modern Christianity (pro-gay, pro-refugee, pro-Israel) and the considerable shallowness of numerous Christians I've encountered (like >>550032 and >>550029).

Then there's the racial component. >>550029 mentioned "no Jew nor Greek", usually used to counter racism by Christians. However, I have seen black people. I cannot force myself to call them my equals.

Another big problem is the "turn the other cheek" argument. If someone hurts me or someone I care about, what right do I not have to defend myself or that other person?

>>550035

In what way is what I said shallow?

>>550037

>If you don't believe in Jesus you go to Hell for eternity.

Yes, that is the belief, but it's an appeal to force fallacy and it doesn't stand well against someone who struggles to believe in this punishing force to begin with.

>>550025

Think of it like this: Christianity is the Borg. They're our Borg. We send out our missionary drones into third world countries, assimilate them, and add their cultural distinctiveness to our own. We only wish to raise quality of life for all.

Islam is our Species 8472. They resistant to assimilation, and they slaughter cube after cube of missionaries. This has forced us to enter an uneasy alliance with the commie ass Jew federation. After the Arabs have been absorbed, we will assimilate Judaism and replace the ZOG with a COG.

>but Christanon, I don't want to be a mindless drone

Yes you do. Assimilation will reduce any fear of death you may have. Also, look at >>549102 . The collective is eager for you to be fruitful and multiply with a person of the same race. One of our aims to protect biological distinctiveness; this is why churches are almost always segregated along ethnic (and not just racial) lines.

>>550038

I'm not trying to convince you, God isn't under your judgement, I'm merely showing you the way out. If you will have nothing of the gospel of Jesus Christ, then go away.

>>550039

Where is God in any of this. I swear, amillenials..

>>550025

>/pol/ (halfchan, not 8pol) convinced me that Christianity is not the truth

All those traditionalism threads convinced me otherwise, I don't know how you managed to avoid those.

>>550035

>a lot of it is . . . the considerable shallowness of numerous Christians I've encountered

>I have seen black people. I cannot force myself to call them my equals.

Pot, meet kettle.

>>550035

>However, I have seen black people. I cannot force myself to call them my equals.

Ecclesasties 3:18-21, of whatever skin color they may be, are not your matthew 10:6's because they have 1 corinthians 15:44's. So by definition of "eternal" the ecclesasties 3:18-21's are not your equals.

>If someone hurts me or someone I care about, what right do I not have to defend myself or that other person?

If it is in line with 1 corinthians 14:26, then yes you always Luke 6:29 for the matthew 10:6's. Sure you could defend yourself, but the intent of luke 6:29 is explained by 1 corinthians 10:23-24. Now ask yourself, what is the definition of "man"? Is it ecclesasties 3:18-21, romans 3:19-20, or hebrews 7:1-4?

>>550025

Understand that while this world is material, God deals with spiritual matters. It can manifest here in the world, and we can even act as a conduit of it, but ultimately the realms of God and Man are at a constant arm's length. That isn't to say that you shouldn't believe what you do of the world, just that we're talking about two different things.

That being said, you should come back to Christ; just from a purely philosophical perspective it's the winning play:

>finite amount of time experiencing life's pleasures

>eternal damnation

or

>finite life of relative chastity and restraint of behavior

>eternal paradise

Seriously, you'd have to be pretty daft to not think that through. All it takes is faith, and depending on your denomination, a few added doctrinal features.

>>550047

>because they have 1 corinthians 15:44's

Should be

>because they have not 1 corinthians 15:44's

>>550035

>(pro-gay, pro-refugee, pro-Israel)

Yeah, stay the hell away from this. You did good there, because they aren't even being consistent.

What you need to do is find a church that consistently fulfills the mission of teaching all things that Christ commanded in the actual word of God and that goes door-to-door to bring this opportunity to others. And before you can be convinced of this, you have to start taking God's word seriously and view it directly, instead of only through the lens of what you have been taught.

I did all this (after becoming saved of course). For instance, I found that the Galatians 3:28 argument can be easily overturned by comparing it to radical feminism, because that verse also says there is no male nor female in Christ, but obviously passages about women being silent in the church remain. All the subverted Christians you've met just need to have a chance to see that this "social equality" interpretation is openly incorrect, maybe it's your mission to show them one day. And that's just one example.

The word of God says repeatedly that the Holy Spirit is the one Person who can give you the correct interpretation (John 16:13, 1 Cor. 1:13, 1 John 2:27, 2 Cor. 1:21-22, Luke 11:13, Acts 5:32, etc) and so its our job to listen to Him while we study the word of God, not necessarily to people who are subverted by the synagogue of Satan (Revelation 2:9, 3:9).

>If someone hurts me or someone I care about, what right do I not have to defend myself or that other person?

If they hurt you, you can forgive them and it may be best for you and worst for them in the end, because God is our help. If they hurt anyone you care about it's your duty to stop their crimes, see 1 Timothy 5:8, Ezekiel 33:6.

>>550035

First, turn the other cheek reffers to minor acts of agression and insults, just ignore them and be the peacemaker.

Second, in the case of black people being your equals:

No man is truly equal to another man.

If I am capable of farming and you are not, we are unequal. The problem comes in when you imply that blacks should be treated as a lower tier entirely.

There was once a slave owner who's slave escaped. He adventually converted to Christianity and his escaped slave did as well.

Paul told him not to treat his former slave as a slace, but as his brother.

We are required to treat are brothers as brothers, not as people with the exact same capabilities of ourselves.

It is a different matter as to whether or not blacks are genetically inferior, I do not believe the are but in any case they are children of God and they must be treated as brothers by those of the faith no matter what.

Ok, besides the "you go to hell if you don't believe" arguments, most of this makes sense to me. I think I might be willing to give it another shot.

But I don't think the Catholic Church is the way to go. Yes, the Mass is great and all, but it's degenerating pretty quickly. Is it worth jumping ship or should I stick to what I believe and associate with whomever I feel agrees?

>>550060

I think you know honestly the real answer. Hope to see you again eventually.

>>550060

You clearly have no interest in Christianity, you are just looking for a LARP session. The words of John the Baptist are to you, "O ye brood of vipers, who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?"

>>550067

What makes you say that? (not op btw)

>>550035

>Believing /pol/ tier lies

So we've reached the heart of the problem. Now reconciliation can begin

>>550025

>/pol/ (halfchan, not 8pol) convinced me that Christianity is not the truth

You have to elaborate on this. The most important, and the only legitimate reason why someone should be a Christian is because christ is the truth. So what changed your mind?

>>550035

>Another big problem is the "turn the other cheek" argument.

1)TURN THE OTHER CHEEK: Backhands were the way to dominate a wife or slave. Open-handed slaps were a challenge to an equal. Hitting left-handed was unthinkable, social condemnation would fall on the hitter. So, by turning the other cheek your assailant must either: be ostracized, stop hitting you, or acknowledge you as an equal. You've won.

2) GIVE HIM YOUR CLOAK TOO- This was a reference Jews would've understood. Exodus 22:26 reads - If you take your neighbor's cloak as a pledge, return it by sunset, because that cloak is the only covering your neighbor has. What else can they sleep in? When they cry out to me, I will hear, for I am compassionate. It was to shame the creditor who was demanding your clothes by reminding him and anyone watching that God will hear your cries.

3) GO THE EXTRA MILE - This is a reference to the Roman law of impressment. A Roman soldier traveling in a subdued country could demand any civilian carry his pack for one mile. If, however, he made them carry it further than one mile, he could be beaten severely for it. Thus, by attempting to go the 2nd mile, the soldier is placed in the comical position of having to beg you to put it down lest his commanding officer see and get the wrong idea.

But while I am here, I should mention that you should join god because he is the truth, not because he agrees with your political positions.

In this age you can just put something like "Incorruptible Bodies" or "Shroud of Turin" or something more vague about "Recent Christian Miracles". Jesus Christ has been kind and has shown us his power, but other Christians hide it away.

>Check post times

>Everyone is gone

I hate "if you don't believe because I said Jesus Christ once you're a LARPer and need to go" christians so much.

don't try to LARP because you think something is "good" for you or for society, that's just dumb american pragmatism.

But actually seek God, seek the truth, either rationally or via experience or something concrete to your sensibilities that you can build confidence in. Not everyone is structured the same, some can get to God just by faith and love, others can get to him by reason and arguments, others by intuition or mystical experiences. Others can only muster a tiny bit of faith, if all you have is a tiny bit of faith don't go around LARPing like your John the Baptist, but act in accordance to your experience and knowledge.

There's no need to pick a denomination asap, you have your whole life, what God wants is genuine authentic seekers, once you start seeking he'll start guiding, in fact he's already guiding.

It's much worse for someone who isn't a genuine Christian to deceive himself and others and mimic being a Christian, you can't trick God.

>>550035

>A lot of it is the rapid degeneracy of modern Christianity (pro-gay, pro-refugee, pro-Israel) and the considerable shallowness of numerous Christians I've encountered

What does this have to do with Christianity being true? You seem to be someone who idolize his race. Does the degeneracy of white countries, or the considerable shallowness of white women discount what you believe of your race? It's ironic that you should use the shallowness of one's faith as a reason why you believe that a universal truth is dictated not by its contents, but by the way flawed people choose to interpret it. If that's your standard for truth, then practically everything that you hold dear is false. The scientific method is false because reddit tier numales have hijacked it as an idol go be worshipped in the mainstream. The preservance of one's ethnic peoples is a false idea because most people have embraced "diversity."

Stop thinking like a child. If you're going to be such a shallow Christian were you to come back, then it's better that you stop pretending you follow it, because you truly don't. Christianity is not an accessory, it is a worldview. If you have a worldview that supercedes Christianity, then your faith is vain, because you have an idol.

>"no Jew nor Greek", usually used to counter racism by Christians.

Again, your opinion of a worldview is being shaped not by the contents of the worldview, but by the actions of people. If this is your measuring stick, then be consistent and apply this throughout your life. Otherwise, start by actually reading the Bible and looking at the contents of Christianity. "Neither Jew nor Greek" is something that Paul wrote to Jews, to dissuade them from putting their faith in the fact that they were descended from Abraham, but instead to put their faith in Christ, because He is the only one who saves, regardless of whether or not someone has a bloodline on Abraham (yes, this includes blacks if they truly submit to Christ).

The coming of Christ signified the end of the covenant by blood - the end of physical circumcision - and the start of the covenant by faith - the start of circumcision of the heart. See, for example, Luke 3:8:

>Bear fruits in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham.

>However, I have seen black people. I cannot force myself to call them my equals.

Every man is your equal when it comes to salvation through faith in Christ. If a man truly submits His faith in Christ, then he is your equal in the eyes of God. Equals in the manner that brothers and sisters are equals to parents. Is your brother a clone of you? Of course not. You are not equal to your brother in the outward things. One of you os smarter, one of you is fitter, etc. but you are of equal essence and importance to your parents. You should understand, however, that not everyone who claims to be a Christian is a Christian. More than likely, blacks who act like the quintessential, eternal nigger are not Christian. Regardless - if you are in this Earth to worship your ethnicity, then worship your ethnicity rather than blaspheme God by calling upon His name when in fact you have an idol who stands above Him. If you're looking a god that will confirm your prejudices, then, like most people in the world, go and LARP on a wooden idol.

>turn the other cheek

This refers to revenge. God does not want us to get revenge, because that is His place.

Romans 12:29:

>Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”

Revenge meaning a tit for tat, an eye for an eye. God commands us to love our neighbor as ourselves - how then, are we supposed to love our neighbor if we do not even love ourselves enough to defend ourselves, or our neighbor? Revenge is frowned upon, but self defense is not. If someone slaps you on the cheek, then turn the other to them also. If someone breaks into your home, then shoot the son of a bitch, because it's not loving nor just to put your wife in danger of rape, your children in danger of murder, or your toil in danger of theft.

You have an idol problem. You were never a Christian. The question is not "should I come to Christianity" but rather "should I become a Christian?" If you are going to come back to "Christianity," then it should involve more than hanging a cross on your wall. If it does not, then don't, keep worshipping your idol and don't insult God by being lukewarm.

>>550025

>/pol/ (halfchan, not 8pol) convinced me that Christianity is not the truth

It must be tough being a brainlet

>>550050

>after becoming saved of course

OP, stay away from people who claim they can be saved while alive btw

>>550060

>it's degenerating pretty quickly

You don't know history yet you're so eager to pass judgment on something you clearly don't understand, what a pitiful life you must be living

>>550025

>Is Christianity Worth It?

Is Salvation Worth It?

>>550047

>he's replaced all nouns and verbs with Biblical citations

>>550035

>mentioned "no Jew nor Greek", usually used to counter racism by Christians

Which means everyone on earth can get salvation through Jesus Christ. Not that we're literally all the same in our earthly bodies, unless you think there's no such thing as gender.

>>550035

As regards forgiveness, Callan's and McHugh's "Moral Theology" explains:

>1199. The duty of reconciliation does not necessitate the forgiveness of every kind of wrong suffered from an enemy—that is, it does not always oblige one freely to remit the consequences of an enemy's acts. There are three kinds of wrong: (a) offenses, which are such contradictions offered to the will of another as do not trespass on any strict right or occasion any damage. Example: Balbus, who is in great distress, asks his friend Titus to secure employment for him. Titus could easily do this favor, but he refuses; (b) injuries, which are violations of the strict right of another, but without damage. Example: Claudia addresses Caia in very disrespectful language when no witnesses are present; (c) damages, which are the taking from another of what is his, or harm done to him as regards his soul, his life, his fame, or his fortune. Examples are theft, scandal, assault and slander.

>1200. Whether an offender asks pardon or not, one is obliged to forgive the offense—that is, to put aside all aversion, indignation and hatred: "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us" (Matt., vi. 12). But, granting that one desires salvation for the offender as for others, shows the common signs of charity, and is not prompted by hatred, the following are not required: (a) that one so pardon the offense as to take the offender back to the same special friendship as may have existed before; (b) that one overlook an injury so as not to require satisfaction (and hence, without acting against charity, Gaia may insist on an apology from Claudia for the disrespectful language used by the latter); and (c) that one renounce restitution or reparation for damage done one. No one is obliged to give to another what is one's own, and, if there is no other way of securing one's rights, one may have recourse to court. If the result of prosecution will be punishment of the offender rather than restitution (as in case of libel or slander), it is not uncharitable to prosecute the offender, if one's motive is the fulfillment of justice, the prevention of the same wrong to others, or the honor of one's family (Lev., xix. 17).

>>550025

Read some Feser for understanding why God's existence is logically necessary.

>>550035

Obviously, it's insane to say that blacks and whites are equivalent. I haven't met enough blacks to know if they behave and act differently, but it wouldn't be impossible. But being of this race and not the other of itself doesn't give anyone more worth or dignity.

yes goy, begom Christian and worship the Hebrew desert god!

>>550243

ah yes, the le desert religion non-argument again

next you're going to say that you don't care for truth

>>550047

Cut this shit out, nobody likes it when you do this.

I'm not looking all those up on my phone. Just post the verses or don't say anything.

>>550322

Why are you too lazy to look in a Bible? Why do you not have a Bible with you at all times so you can look up verses?

>>550328

Go away.

We will not discuss with you, as you will not take the steps to discuss with us. Is that not fair?

>>550329

If you're unwilling to look at a Bible, then you are unworthy of discussion.

Besides, think about it. I could copy/paste anything I wanted to and add a Bible chapter:verse to it and your unwillingness to look it up means you're just going to have to take my word for it.

Is that what you want?

>>550322

Yeah it's annoying but I just filter them tbh, unless the verse was brought earlier and everyone is now aware of what are we referring to.

>>550340

>Asking people to bend over to muslim dick

I was going to point out that you were using the CURRENT YEAR meme wrong but yeah that's about right.

>>550363

I was pointing out the addon, mong. Whenever someone posts a chapter/verse anywhere, the addon underlines it and if I hover over it, I can read the verse. No fuss, no mess.

>>550047

please stop hafizposter

>>550322

>phoneposter

If iphone go to app store or if jailbroken https://github.com/ArtifexSoftware/mupdf-ios-viewer and install mupdf. If android user go to https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.artifex.mupdfdemo/ and install that. Then go to >>>/pdfs/7147 and download the Bible. Now you can look up the verses with ease and without using any cellular data in the future.

>>550227

I was taking that video seriously until they said the child as a adult shot himself in the head with a shotgun. One does not simply do that without huge recoil or a machine to do that with.

>>550408

>shotgun mouthwash is a physical impossibility

Boy I sure hope this is bait

>>550409

Explain to me how you can shoot yourself in the head with a 18 inch sawed off shotgun then? Can you even reach around to pull the trigger without the recoil doing nothing? Like I get that gender =/= sex and that the person in the video had great points about how sick the SJW movement is. But you can't shoot yourself in the back of the head with a shotgun ffs.

>>550413

Lots of people can and have

>>550413

>you can't shoot yourself in the back of the head

>back of the head

Kinda moving the goalposts there, ain't ya? Yes, people can shoot themselves in the head with a shotgun. Happens all the time. Ernest Hemingway did it. So did Kurt Cobain.

Back of the head? Not as easy, but it can be done.

>>550025

Whether it's "worth it" and which denomination depends on where you live.

In most of the developed world, churches are filled with scum.

In other places people do good work.

>>550028

>>558970

plain english please

>>558972

Just reverse the integral

>>558972

The first one says this, more or less:

- The physical constants are in a very narrow range of interesting values. If you change the strength of a fundamental force a bit then atoms no longer form and life can't exist.

- That's either because (i) they have to be like that, because (ii) they happen to be like that by random chance, or because (iii) they were designed to be like that.

- The anthropic principle is wrong in this case. This step is just countering a common counter-argument, it's not really necessary. If you don't know what the anthropic principle is, don't worry about it.

- A few steps to show that the physical constants could have been different (i.e. they didn't have to be the exact way they are). I don't understand these steps. They rely on very particular definitions of "logical cause" and "contingent" that I don't get. In any case, it's used to prove that (i) can't be true.

- That means the world could have had different physical constants.

- It looks to me like it says an infinite number of worlds aren't fine-tuned, and an infinite number of worlds that are fine-tuned are fine-tuned to something useless. I don't understand this.

- It says that the number of possible worlds with useful physical constants is infinity (ℵ_0 to be precise), and that the total number of possible worlds is infinity squared, and that the chance of the world having useful physical constants is therefore 1/infinity.

- That's unlikely enough to dismiss, so the fine-tuning can't be because of chance.

- So the fine-tuning has to be because of design.

There are multiple problems with that. The one I picked out is the math, because it's the easiest one. Infinity squared is still infinity, in such a way that you can't reduce infinity divided by infinity squared to one divided by infinity. There are "larger" infinities, like 2^infinity, but this is not one of them.

On the other hand, picking out that flaw is a bit dishonest. It can be fixed without changing the proof as a whole much. I think there are more fundamental flaws with the rest of the proof. These are two major ones:

- It assumes that all different values of physical constants are possible. It might be that what we think are multiple independent constants actually derive from some more fundamental constant we haven't discovered yet, and that it would be impossible for them to have values that don't make atoms possible.

- It assumes that only one set of physical constants can exist at a time. Perhaps multiple universes exist, all with different sets of physical constants. Perhaps all possible universes exist. If all possible universes exist then it's no surprise that we exist, even if the vast majority of possible universes can't support life.

>>558984

>Perhaps multiple universes exist,

Yeah, in the same way constants exist, perhaps.

>>550025

>/pol/ (halfchan, not 8pol) convinced me that Christianity is not the truth

I came to Christ through /pol/. It's the truth and only way to save mankind and Western civilization.

You are still stuck in fleshly matters: Whites vs. negros, Europeans vs. Arabs, CFR, Bilderberg, masons etc.

But this is just a distraction. Christians are fighting evil on a spiritual level, in other words: Satan. We fight evil with love and forgiveness, because hate makes it stronger.

The more people turn to God, to His son Jesus, to the Holy Gost, the weaker evil gets.

All the evil things you see and make you upset, are manifestations of Satan's work. You can only solve it at the source, not by fighting the symptoms.

Should i just ignore it if my church goes on with political indocrtination and continue my observance?