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Ohh, this sounds fun.

So, for a start planets that don't already have life cannot be fertile enough to start growing plants, so there goes rapid population growth caused by an abundance of food that can b grown on the surface. Algae and lichen would have to be carefully gardened to make the first fellfields, and further careful planning to make the soil anything close enough to be able to grow plants. This is assuming that the planet has a good atmosphere.

Secondly, 'several hundred colonists' isn't enough to form a sustainable population unless we ship more colonists in after the first life support and greenhouse farming systems are established (no free oxygen by the way, elemental oxygen is only available naturally through plants). Alternatively, we could ship a few million shake-and-bake embryos ready for implantation along with the colonists, although that might not be the most christian thing to do.

Moving on to actually answering questions. Form of government is to be what would nowadays be called anarcho-syndicalism, with all robots and greenhouses and manufactures owned by whoever works them. Leadership would consist of councils divided up into industry (one for construction, one for teaching, one for bookkeeping, etc) with no leaders (if a temporary project absolutely needs a coordinator, that is to be an elected position lasting only a month or so.) but decision making by majority (actually, supermajority) voting by the people. This is the very close to the ideal Christian society achievable that can easily be scaled up.

This would only be temporary, as once the life support can keep everyone alive indefinitely (well, until old age sets in) with all new projects being improving quality of life and expansion in preparation for higher population, a move to true communism is possible, without something being owned by the workers, rather not being seen as 'owned' at all, rather the 3D printers and transport systems and mining rigs would be seen as just 'there' while still needing maintenance and operation. This would be possible due to the aforementioned lack of designated leaders, as leaders would automatically want to hold on to their position. Power corrupts, and nobody is immune to it's effects.

Rights of the citizens - food, water, oxygen, pressurized atmosphere, healthcare, warmth, longevity treatments if they exist yet, you know, everything you need to not die. Plus freedom, that's a important right. Effectively, freedom to not do anything. Luckily, humans don't 'not do anything', as with societal pressure and no earth based internet to speak of (many light years away from regular earth. A local internet is a must) people are guaranteed to start doing what needs to be done out of either personal interest (some nerd really likes programming road-building robots or nuclear power or architecture) or things that simply need to be done (some hero cleaning up rubbish (or making robots do it) or somebody who sees that the plumbing system needs maintaing) or people who simply want social gratification (surgeons getting thanks from patients, artists getting praise for their work). It worked for Judeah in judges 21:25

>In those days Israel had no king; everyone did as they saw fit.

so it'll work for Christianopolis.

Crimes and punishments are a difficult one. There are three types of major crime - economic crimes (stealing, fraud, embezzlement, etc), hate crimes (murder, assault, etc) and sexual crimes (rape, pedophilia, sexual assault, etc). The first of these would be eliminated by the system of government - if everyone has what they need without being controlled by their own power, there will be no economic crimes. The other two are more tricky. You see, regular anarchists would simply say 'expel them from the society', however it is not so easy in this situation. This is partly due to the fact that expelling someone is literally a death sentence on a world without even oxygen to breathe. The other reason is that the requirements are christian values, and christian values require forgiveness as basically the number one principle. My solution is to get criminals to repent and forgive them if it is clear that they will not repeat the crime. If it is suspected that they will repeat, then they are to be kept physically away from whoever they might attack but still in luxury, not as punishment but as preventive measures. Consensus (minus the victim's opinion, as to prevent any stockholm syndrome from messing things up) among the local population is to be required to lock people up or not.

Laws - what laws? Sure, the laws are to be based on the Bible, but enforcement is to be done on a case by case basis. The only hard law is don't take freedom away from people, but that still might not have punishments attached minus purely preventative (not punisment) measures.

Now what types of people are to be sent? Lets make a list of requirements.

1. Christian. Takes the bible to be inspired word of god, and whatever that may entail. Conveniently weeds out Mormons.

2. Willing and eager to live on the planet I just described, as well as living in the political system I just described. Don't want anyone to get homesick now. Also should weed out any prosperity gospel heretics as well as Jehovah's witnesses.

3. Mentally stable. Well, as mentally stable as people willing to leave this planet can get. Should weed out a whole bunch of other heresies.

4. Fertile. Can't send people to populate another planet without being able to populate another planet. Should weed out the… old people and whatever heresy castrate themselves I guess?

Wow that makes me really want to leave this planet.

Ooh, forgot to mention what denomination. Probably cannot be too picky, as most of the colony-crazed people would already be colonising something else, I'd be lucky to fill the numbers with the standards that I already laid out. I guess no KJV-only people. Come to think of translations, it might even be a good idea to make Koine Greek the lingua franca, what with plenty of time to learn it on the way there depending on if this is multi-generational colony ships or cryogenic freezing ships, as it would make the final product slightly more christian in the end.

>>548497

>it might even be a good idea to make Koine Greek the lingua franca

You realize the original manuscrits were written in english right?

Probably only Catholics if it can be helped. Maybe a few nonreligious if there's no good alternative.

It would have to start as a small commune where the elders, who have been chosen by their charisma and technical proficiency decide everything on a council. I guess this counts as an aristocratic democracy. As things become bigger, there'd have to be a duke chosen to coordinate everything. I guess this counts as a monarchy?

Plato's Republic would definitely be important. Law would be based on civil law, I guess. The actual problem would be creating a cohesive culture since we'd come from different backgrounds carrying implicitly different mythologies. I imagine I'd chose only people from my own region because I'd like to consider our space colony a natural extension of Catholic central European project.

1. The planet is designated as the exclusive private property of the Lord Protector king

2. The client parties in the voluntary exchange must not initiate force against each other unprovoked. If one party initiates force against another's designated use area or body, then force may be used in retaliation in proportional amounts.

3. The clients must not be advocates or parties of alternative, patriarchal, unnatural, profane, or impious lifestyles and behaviours, including but not limited to individual hedonism, parasitism, nature-environment worship, homosexuality, or communism.

4. If the above terms are violated, then the client will be physically removed, so to speak.

5. The only right there exists is to be secure in one's control, liberty, and dignity over his property.

6. There is no forcing of duties, only voluntary transactions between parties that benefits all involved.

7. The only punishments for crime are physical removal or privatisation.

8. The practises of the Church will be upheld as a vital part of the agreement without which would break the EULA.

I would send an ethnically, linguistically, and generally culturally homogeneous group, as it is a key factor in social cohesion and the success of the cooperative libertarian social order.

These people would probably be Orthodox or old Lutheran as the most conducive. Minimum IQ of 130 aggregate. The men would include scholars, philosophers, scientists, engineers, artisans, artists, and clergymen. The women, as the guarded property of the men, are responsible for the social responsibilities of raising the children and keeping the family.

>>548520

Sorry, just following guidelines laid out in Acts. Not my fault that the bible disagrees with you.

>>548526

Come on, at least link the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7qT-C-0ajI

>>548707

anarcho-capitalism but an absolute monarchy ethnostate? That's a new one.

>>548707

Would join colony/10. Orthodox and high Lutheran are the best denoms and if I couldn't be the latter I would be the former. It's definitely LARPy but sort of a dream colony imo.

>>548980

So in essence my colony would look like >>548707 with perhaps the only change being that I would actually encourage the use of a Latin form of the rite for the high Lutherans. In the old Lutheran way of keeping the Liturgy itself in Latin and simply adding a few hymns in the vernacular as commentary. Orthodox would be free to use the Byzantine or the Western rite. The Orthodox Patriarch and Lutheran Bishop would be advisors for the king.

Sage for doublepost.

>>548605

Was going to use SMAC for the OP picture but didn't want to bias anyone.

>>548420

First off, who's allowed to come? Well anyone that can accept 2 things

1: Christ is the literal son of God, and he really did die for our sins. excluding any "christian atheists" or "the bible is a metaphor" idiots

2: Sola Scriptura lol jk, there's just 1 prerequisite

does this mean you're going to allow those non-trinitarians? Yes.. yes it does.

Now for the style of government We'll be a constitutional monarchy/republic, at the top will be the king (can't think of a better term for it), but rather than king being an inherited title, it will be voted on once every 10 years. Beneath the king there will be 2 advisors, and that's all they're there for, they will be chosen by the king to advise him in his decisions. Beneath the king are the 100 counselors, basically we'll divide the planet up into 100 segments geographically and those segments will elect a counselor to represent them.

Each of the 100 segments will essentially be separate nations. Which is to say that a law that is passed in one will not transfer over to the other, and only a 3/4ths majority vote by the 100 Counselors and an "OK" from the king is enough to force another segment to change it's laws.

For example let's say that 99 of the 100 segments agree that abortion should be illegal, but 1 segment thinks abortions should be legal. Then the 100 Counselors can get together and vote on whether or not that 1 segment needs to make abortion illegal. If at least 75 of the Counselors agree and the King doesn't veto it. THEN they can force the 1 segment to make abortions illegal.

Speaking of voting, only land-owning males that are above the age of 30 will be allowed to vote for segment Counselor. Any attempt to change this standard is to be seen as treason and will be put down with extreme prejudice. Now if a non-land-owning, 23 year old woman wants to RUN for office, there's nothing stopping her from being elected to Counselor, but she won't have the ability to vote for herself in the election.

Crimes and punishment will be decided by each individual segment, with a few exceptions that will apply to all segments no matter what.

1: Be christian.

2: Don't kill people, this includes abortions I know I used abortions as an example earlier but don't worry about that.

3: Do not promote or endorse promiscuity in any way.

4: Do not promote or endorse homosexuality in any way.

5: Do not tax the people more than 50% of their income. I know that's a lot, but we're talking about the space-future here, who knows what kind of programs those inner city black kids will need.

6: No slavery indentured servitude is ok, but not recommended

7: some other stuff I can't think of.

>>548489

>Be born with Major Depressive Disorder

>Work all my life to stay true to the gospel even though every fiber of my being says to off myself.

>See a chance to join my fellow Christians in what is essentially a utopia.

>Try to join

>Fellow "Christian" denies me access due to the disease I was born with.

Screw you too. May as well start up a eugenics movement while you're at it.

Huh, wow, this is a fun thread.

Well, my crew will consist of mainly Orthodox, with some Catholics and Traditional Lutherans and Anglicans. Crew will be consisted mainly of Scientists, Engineers, Artists (Architects included) and of course Clergy.

For government, it will be Meritocracy (sort of an Aristocratic democracy). Planet will be governed by Supreme Synod, candidates of which, must be older than 50, Educated with academic diploma, active participates of church life, have high IQ and so on and so forth. Every adult men and women can vote for or participate as a candidate (of course, for latter, the must fulfill the criteria.). However, votes will have 1 to 100 point system, and its weight will depend on moral, social and educational behaviour of the voter, that means, that better he is performing in studying, socially or in the church, higher will his vote will weight. Supreme Synod will be lead by Princeps that will be "primus inter pares" in the council. Changing the system with any other one, including m*narchy, will be considered as a high treason and will be punished accordingly. As for the Church relations between state and the Church shall be "Symphonia" and will work accordingly. Planet will have its autocephalous patriarchate. Moon(s) of the planet shall be owned by the Church and they shall be led by local MOONasteries©™.

As for the laws and punishment: Law will be based on Code of Justinian and Bible mainly. This means, that as it is said in the Bible, every person on the planet shall own its own land. He may lend it, but after 15 years it will return to original owner, as it is said in Leviticus. This will make individuals more independent and responsible.

Any kind of slavery will be forbidden and attempt to institutionalize or breaking the law will be punished severely. By the time, robotics will be quite advanced and only androids and robotics will be allowed to be utilized as servants.

General laws:

Every inhabitant of the planet must belong to said confessions. Denying this will result in extradition.

Everyone must recognize that Humans are Highest creation of God, Made in his image and likeness and our special privilege of domination of His creation. Any SJW behavior that will attempt to degrade human place or trying to equate something to Humans, such as animal rights, or AI citizenship rights or Xenophilia, will result in spending quality time on one of the MOONasteries©™ for reeducation.

Propagation of Homosexuality, Cannibalism and other kind of degeneracy is punishable by imprisonment for life

Human slavery is forbidden, as I said. Breaking this rule is punishable by death

Murder is punishable by death and yes, it includes abortions as well(accidents excluded) (t. Gen 9:6)

High treason is punishable by death.

Taxation is calculated according to income of the taxpayer and is adjusted, so that accumulation of wealth wont happen in hands of the single men/family.

Voting is mandatory

Military service will be mandatory

After some time, it will become cultural and military powerhouse from which Mankind shall conquer other worlds in order to fulfill our blessings as is said

>And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. (note earth here as creation/universe and not Earth, as planet).

>>549028

>(accidents excluded)

NB, I meant this on murders in general and not on abortions

>>548420

>space

>>548420

Ooh, fun!

Our colonists will be picked in a style similar to the pilgrims. They will all be Christians howeer, they do not have to be the same denomination. The operation will be managed by one denomination, however.

I'm personally torn between a monarchy or a pilgrim-style government. I will allow the elders of the colony to vote on which system is best.

The pilgrim-system:

We give *ALMOST* all men freeman status, if they are endorsed by a current freeman and are accepted by the council.

However, we can use this restriction to prevent undesirables from gaining access to government, such as Atheists and Gnostics.

The council itself will be composed of officials selected to inherit the position from former councilmen, however, if the people are dissatisfied by a councilman, they may open a vote to replace him.

The monarchy:

It's essentially constitutional monarchy, with a king and parliament. Not much to be said here.

I'm not going to lie, I know little about the law. I'm going to make this part short and give the standard responce of "I'll base it on the Bible and the Corpus Juris Civilis or something."

>>548489

>Weed out the elderly

Why do you hate the elders, anon?

>>554159

Age doesn't always entail wisdom, anon.

I'd make a list of questions for people to qualify

1) Are you episcopalian 2) do you have a masters degree 3) do you think St. Paul is a misogynist? 4) Do you pray to Virgin Mary?

All those qualifications, get 100 people, done.

>>548489

>weed out the… old people

Do not cast me off in the time of old age; forsake me not when my strength is spent. Psalm 71:9

>>548919

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