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9f34bd No.547484

Is this a graven image?

b454ba No.547485

Why would it be?


a2d80b No.547486

no, it's a symbol


9f34bd No.547487

>>547485

Just wondering how far various shades of iconoclasm go.

>>547486

Yes, a thing that represents something else. In other words, an image.


a2d80b No.547488


9f34bd No.547489

>>547488

Image and symbol are synonyms.


a2d80b No.547490

>>547489

No they are not. Is English your first language?


9f34bd No.547491

>>547490

Yes, they are. And yes, it is. Do you know anything about semiotics?


a2d80b No.547492

>>547491

Go to your parents and ask them to re-teach you English, because you didn't get it the first time


9f34bd No.547494

>>547492

Yes, I did. Stop being obnoxious.

Answer my question. Do you know anything about semiotics?

A good first step for you would be to actually read through all the denotations on the dictionary page you linked.


d17146 No.547514

>>547494

>what is connotation

Lingua francas sure degenerate fast


d48efb No.547518

>>547484

According to my non-denom evangelical friend and his group, yes.


9f34bd No.547534

>>547514

Good thing connotations aren't what determine if two words are synonyms or not. Denotations are.

Now, I'm from the Anglosphere. Scots-Canadian. Born and raised. I speak English. I've studied English. I know semiotics. These are terms I'm familiar with through studying English literary exegesis.

I have a subtler knowledge of the technical use of these words than you do. I have a fuller set of denotations and connotations for the words "symbol" and "image" than you do. I'm comfortable in not reifying them down to single denotational words, which they aren't, so I don't get petulant when someone acknowledges the overlapping denotations of these words. You've mistaken my sophistication for ignorance because you yourself are ignorant.

An image is one thing made in the likeness of another. It doesn't have to be a physical object. It doesn't have to be a visual representation. There are mental images. There are literary images. An image can be made to various levels of abstraction. An image can be made out of words. A figure of speech, for example, is an image, and is routinely called an image in literary criticism.

Now, a symbol is one thing that stands for another. Oh look! An image is a symbol. Something made in the likeness of another, that is to say, an image, is used to stand for the thing it is made in the image of, and is thus a symbol. Wow, the same thing, both an image and a symbol. It's like the words are synonyms.

And so the words are synonymous. There is an important conceptual distinction between them, which is why they're different words, but there is overlap in their meaning, and a single thing can be and often is both, so you can see why someone saying, "That's not an image, that's a symbol," is demonstrating a weak grasp on the terms.

A cross is very much an image. It's an object made in the likeness of the cross that Jesus was crucified on. It is also a symbol. A very heavily loaded symbol, representing not just the cross that Jesus was crucified on, but other things as well.

Now, I'm happy to acknowledge you as a fellow native English speaker. An uneducated one, but a fellow Anglophone nonetheless.


3c080e No.547535

>>547484

Is it something carved or cast in order to be the dwelling place of a spirit?

Then no.


ff4f3a No.547538

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>>547484

No, this is Patrick


948c54 No.547567

I wouldn't say it is but if had jesus on it then yes. But praying to a cross is also wrong but to have one is fine.


d17146 No.547663

File: dff9eae72405417⋯.jpg (379.74 KB, 800x1080, 20:27, Iconoclast image of a symb….jpg)

>>547534

>verbose autism

Both words already have implicit meaning within the topic which most people go off of. If you want a more comprehensive discussion then structure it with more than a single question OP with coy replies.


9f34bd No.547756

>>547663

Oh so I went from being a non-Anglophone to being a verbose autist in one post. Get your story straight.

Or better yet, stop insulting me and put on your big boy pants and have an actual discussion.

I'm not the one who incorrectly defined a symbol as being mutually exclusive with an image. These words already have explicit meanings you can find in any dictionaries, including the entry arrogantly linked unread earlier.

I didn't start this thread to have to correct your misuse of the English language. Your posts in this thread prompted me to correct you. I suppose I should have formally defined a few words in the OP. I'm sorry I overestimated you. It won't happen again.


9f34bd No.547760

>>547535

It's good to define exactly what kind of image we're talking about. The Bible uses the phrase "graven image" but obviously this is used as shorthand for idols, including molten images which I imagine have also been worshiped at some time. You're absolutely correct that not all images are idols, just those created with the intention of being a habitation of a spirit. Pagan gods were believed to reside in or actually be statues, which is what defined them as idols. "Idol" has a wider meaning, but your post gets us a lot closer to the heart of the matter. We Christians don't believe that the spirit of God takes up residence in specific objects.


947816 No.547790

>second coming of Jesus

>take photo or video of Jesus

>get sent to Hell for idolatry


9b7be3 No.547826

>>547518

Hahaha really

What do their crucifers carry?


ec086e No.547828

File: 7d416af0e622ff5⋯.jpg (77.63 KB, 642x510, 107:85, alexamenos1.jpg)

Is this?


f94923 No.547829

>>547790

I just suddenly imagined a selfie with Jesus.




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