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4a7745 No.536879

Around christian friends who are discussing a bible verse or story when hanging out, especially stuff from moses and exodus and spending time in the desert or having food sent down and genesis I've started saying,

"well I thnk that is an interesting fable, and really shows how X and Y and Z can be true or mean thisorthat"

Is this generally considered still a christian way to talk about the bible? As in, the story themselves are not true, but the things they show are truths.

77836b No.536883

>>536879

Did this need its own thread?


94ce6a No.536884

it's a slippery slope of selectively believing parts of the Bible


4a7745 No.536886

>>536884

they're fables that people wrote to understand their place and time and to teach true lessons, even jesus' death and resurrection. Which form of christianity is this?


0b4c79 No.536890

>>536886

>Jesus has not risen

>Which form of Christianity is this?

No form of Christianity denies Jesus' resurrection


ef2ebb No.536891

>>536879

>gay thread

>anime pic

I think I'm noticing a pattern here


4a7745 No.536892

File: 66cc0852705bd50⋯.jpg (21.85 KB, 600x600, 1:1, c6e.jpg)

>>536890

but.

wait. I thought it was just a teaching story. I thnk someone can be a christian and think jesus was either a person ppl wrote about, or a group of teachers, and they were persecuted/killed at some point for their revolutionary thought, but the message taught lived on.

so. im not a christian?


5f2f88 No.536893

>>536879

>fag thread

>Chinese cartoon pic

I think I'm noticing a pattern here


4a7745 No.536894

>>536891

>>536893

are you having posting issues?


0b4c79 No.536896

File: 19185f0219104d8⋯.png (98.3 KB, 400x400, 1:1, 19185f0219104d8f0446e53fb0….png)

>>536892

>so. im not a christian?

No, morality alone doesn't save. Just like sitting under a fig tree won't turn you into a buddhist.

Check out some of this literature if you're more interested in the subject:

The Bible


4a7745 No.536897

>>536896

'save'? that word doesn't mean anything though. There are many many truths and lessons to learn from these fables, but the word 'save' on its own is meaningless to me. I contend I'm still a christian.


0b4c79 No.536902

>>>536897

>'save'? that word doesn't mean anything though

>I contend I'm still a christian

You're a pseudointellectual larper who's watched too many Peterson videos.

Everyone can find the meanings in those stories. We don't read them only because 'durr it's wat we do'.

We also take inspirations and moral lessons from the Bible.

The dividing line between a Christian and 'a christian' is his faith


4a7745 No.536903

>>536902

the bible is to study some people who wrote some things and take it seriously and respect what is trying to be taught, or understood, by the people that wrote it. It can inspire or give instructions of teach ways of thinking. It doesn't mean a Moses had to exist, or the earth was 6 days, or waters parted. That stuff was the childrens' story, but when grown up it becomes more of a body of hebrew philosophy to study


0b4c79 No.536905

>>536903

And you're free to do so, but don't call yourself Christian unless you have faith.


cb672a No.536907

>>536897

I strongly suggest you look into the history of authorship for books in the Bible, especially in the New Testament and especially the Gospels. These books were written with explicit intent and were never intended to be read like some kind of novel where we dance around with our own personal interpretations.


128e4d No.536908

>>536892

>>536903

In a rating of 1 to 10, how surprised would you be if a (dead) body of saint started emitting a saintly smell, or if a Eucharist started bleeding?


5a3431 No.536945

>>536886

It's called atheism.


a18f9d No.536948

>>536892

You're a cafetaria catholic at best, but that's just the same as not being christian anyway.

>>536897

By that definition I'm also a buddhist.

If you do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God born from the virgin Mary and was crucified for our sins and then resurrected 3 days after, you are not a christian.


bef32c No.536958

>>536892

>Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins! Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

No.


a3979e No.536962

>>536892

What the fuck man

The basis of the christian religion is that Jesus of Nazareth existed, was the Messiah and the son of God, was crucified under the roman prefect of judea Pontius Pilate and resurrected after 3 days as the Christ

If you don't believe that you don't believe in Christianity

You're an atheist who's fascinated with the moral aspect of Christianity at best, but you don't get to call yourself christian just for that


b01fd1 No.536963

Fairly obvious that this is a troll. A sincere person wouldn't post these ridiculous pictures.


128e4d No.536964

>>536963

What ridiculous pictures?


6fdad9 No.536967

File: 13ee1985c0e9042⋯.jpg (233.85 KB, 2208x1242, 16:9, 1507503582043.jpg)

>>536879

>Is this generally considered still a christian way to talk about the bible? As in, the story themselves are not true, but the things they show are truths.

You can discuss it however you want lol


e811c3 No.536982

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>>536897

>from these fables

>fables

Mate, look into these 'fables' and test them for historical accuracy. Research both sides of the argument and watch debates on them. Maybe that way you may come to believe the Bible. Jesus however did explicitly say that you need be like a child to become saved. Thus I don't know if research into the matter will make you believe the Bible apart from faith and humbling yourself.

Mathew 18:3

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.


4a7745 No.537044

wow.

I guess I am not a christian because I only believe that some of the teachings make sense, and some of them were for the people at the time but I certainly dont think people have virgin births or rise from the dead.

I guess maybe I'll quit church? idk


a261b1 No.537045

>>537044

Oh yeah, def, you're too smart for church.

Next you should also stick a gun in your mouth, and pull the trigger until you hear a "click"

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4a7745 No.537048

>>537045

it's not a super nice day to find out you're not a christian… :/ when you thought you were


4a7745 No.537049

>>536891

>>536893

wtf was this about? is this a meme?


128e4d No.537051

>>537044

>>537048

>>537049

Did you just get dumber?


4a7745 No.537054

>>537051

I'm just confused


1dd52a No.537058

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>>536892

> think jesus was either a person ppl wrote about, or a group of teachers

> a group of teachers


140409 No.537060

>picture of cartoon

>sexually homo thread

Is this like a thing?


4a7745 No.537062

>>537058

well yeah. it was written like 80 years after jesus died, they could have just combined a few teachers together into one person, it sells better, not really that unrealistic


727ed0 No.537088

>>537062

>~110 AD

nah

3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received—that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures,

4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day according to the scriptures,

5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.

6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.

7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. ( 1 Corinthians 15:3-7 )

even (((secular))) scholarship dates this particular passage (not the entire epistle itself) to:

>James D. G. Dunn writes: "This tradition, we can be entirely confident, was formulated as tradition within months of Jesus' death."

>Michael Goulder: "Paul 'received' the tradition – that is, he was taught it at his conversion – perhaps two years after Jesus' death."

>Ulrich Wilckens: "indubitably goes back to the oldest phase of all in the history of primitive Christianity"

>Gerd Ludermann: "the elements in the tradition are to be dated to the first two years after the crucifixion of Jesus."

>Paul Barnett: "within two or three years of the First easter."

>Richard Burridge and Graham Gould: "from only a few years after Jesus' death."

>Robert Funk and the Jesus Seminar: within "two or three years at most."

>Richard Hays: "within about three years after Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem."

>Alexander Wedderburn: "first half of the 30s."


a3979e No.537142

>>537044

>I don't believe in Jesus Christ

>Guess that means i'm not christian uh

Well, no

What the heck did you expect


57c5e7 No.537174


234197 No.537182

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>>536892

No.

Just as Gnostics who although believe in Jesus, also believe that the OT is of the devil, which makes absolutely no sense considering Jesus was prophesied in the OT.


234197 No.537183

>>537145

>first one

Is that a blue blood?

>implying the second one would reproduce


234197 No.537186

>>536897

Go ahead and call yourself whatever you want. Does me calling myself an oliphant make me one?




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