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14486f No.533531

What's the Christian response to trans-humanism and futurists like Ray Kurzweil who believe we will have to merge with machines/AI?

4ada25 No.533533

There's a reason we aren't made of metal.


c106a5 No.533534

That's what happens when you forget source of life and the fact that humans are immortal.

But even if fedora theory is true, and humans are not immortal, transhumanism is still vain, as heat death will annihilate universe at the end


261954 No.533535

>>533531

It's trash.

Uploading your brain to a computer would just be creating a virtual clone of you, you'd still die, and so would the clone every time it was transferred from one computer to another


158d30 No.533536

File: e84062c8a7817fa⋯.png (533.27 KB, 615x1280, 123:256, e84062c8a7817fac4a7beec7ff….png)

File: 8ccbd7c0b81d7bf⋯.jpg (300.31 KB, 484x1360, 121:340, 8ccbd7c0b81d7bf01ff7c81a4c….jpg)

Laughter.


bba37d No.533544

File: dbd6b3818bdce7d⋯.png (975.39 KB, 1354x1606, 677:803, 1465987858848-0.png)

>They don't just figuratively want to destroy what makes us human, but literally as well.

Nope. Just nope. As for cyborgification, there are things you really shouldn't do, even if technology allows it. As for "copying" yourself into a computer, that could never actually work, you can't copy a soul. The higher-ups pushing this stuff know this, but they still push it anyway.


d3436a No.533548

The Biblical response would be why are you clinging to the romans 8:8 when you could be enjoined as 1 corinthians 6:17. Another would be to quote Genesis 3:19 or to remind them of the dangers of not relying on God alone for life and death things >>533502


d3a138 No.533552

>>533535

This.

The soul is tied to the temple (body). Once your temple dies, your soul goes into rest until the second coming of Christ.


d3436a No.533558

>>533552

>thinking romans 8:8 does not exist

No your soul needs a body to survive. End of story. See Revelation 16:3 KJV. If you wondering with which body they come at the second coming see 1 corinthians 15 .


d3a138 No.533560

>>533558

>your soul needs a body to survive

Mathew 10:28

Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Are you implying that through the destruction of the body (by cremation for example) the soul is destroyed as well?


52cd5e No.533563

>>533558

t. 7DA


d3436a No.533564

>>533560

Did you not read Revelation 16:3? Let me quote it for you

>And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea

>every living soul died

<destruction of the body (by cremation for example) the soul is destroyed as well?

Have another from Genesis 6:17

>And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

"all flesh" "wherein is the breath of life" under "a flood of waters" "shall die" There is no implication. You need a body for your soul to survive. Have yet another verse in Matthew 10:28

>And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell

Next you will ask with which body do they come up with 1 corinthians 15. Read romans 8:8 and all of 1 corinthians 15 already and stop larping as a christian.


d3436a No.533568

>>533564

Oh and since I already know you are going to try and weasel your way out of there being three different things, body, the 1 corithians 15:44 body, and soul. See hebrews 4:12

>For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart

>soul and spirit


d3a138 No.533569

>>533564

>>533568

Thank you for sharing this, but I still don't believe in what you're saying here. I don't aim to start a debate considering I haven't read the whole Bible. You can maybe start a thread and see what others think.


21c73c No.533572

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>>533531

>people who leap to the conclusion that consciousness is "just the code running on a super-powered machine" when neurologists are pretty much convinced that isn't the case

I think we've all seen this movie before: it's the new Tower of Babel, frankly.

Let them have their godless fantasies. They're not the first. They won't be the last.


8840a7 No.533574

>>533564

You haven't answered the question. How can you spend so much time quoting and be stupid enough to not to answer a really simple question? Are you retarded? Can you read?


d3436a No.533575

>>533574

Do you even have eyes to see? I stated

>"all flesh" "wherein is the breath of life" under "a flood of waters" "shall die" There is no implication. You need a body for your soul to survive.

Therefore

>Are you implying that through the destruction of the body (by cremation for example) the soul is destroyed as well?

If you stop breathing permenently i.e you die physically/carnally. Then yes, the soul is destroyed in all animals like ecclesasties 3:18-22. Unless you have another body ala 1 corinthians 15:44.


21c73c No.533581

File: f083b6afa7ee50f⋯.jpg (89.39 KB, 471x550, 471:550, gains-world-loses-soul.jpg)

>>533564

>Revelation 16:3

Ambiguous.

The word ψυχὴ can mean soul, yes, but also life, the self and an individual or person

>Matthew 2:20

>GRK: ζητοῦντες τὴν ψυχὴν τοῦ παιδίου

>NAS: who sought the Child's life are dead.

or

>Matthew 10:39

>GRK: εὑρὼν τὴν ψυχὴν αὐτοῦ ἀπολέσει

>NAS: He who has found his life will lose

as well as

>Matthew 10:28

>GRK: δυνάμενον καὶ ψυχὴν καὶ σῶμα

>NAS: to destroy both soul and body in hell.

And while Gen 6:17 does speak in such terms, this must be reconciled with Christ's in Mt 10:28 above.

Furthermore, since you are keen to use Revelations to substantiate your claim, why not refer to the verse in which the souls – again, ψυχὰς – of the martyrs cry out to God for justice, "How long, O Lord?" They appear to be separated from bodies, yet, how can this be in your philosophy?

Ergo, your claim is extremely weak. You'll need to substantiate your claim with far more verses than just these two.


d3436a No.533582

>>533575

Since you will probably object to even that. Let me make it abundandtly clear.

If you die physically without another body your soul is gone.

If your body is cremated after the fact is irrelevent as the soul is the same thing as the breath of life if you would read genesis 7:22, genesis 6:17, and revelation 16:3.


d3436a No.533583

>>533581

Oh hell here we go. First by what authority are you defining these words as such? According to 2 peter 1:20

>Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation

I don't speak greek or hebrew. So speak english and define words in english because God assures us that 2 timothy 3:16

>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in rightousness:

<philosophy?

I don't use greek and pagen philsophy you faggot. God explicitly warns against using such things and says to be dependent on Him. See Colossians 2:8

>Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

Also you are completely forgetting that in matthew 10:28 God mentions two bodies. The carnal, fleshly body of romans 8:8, and the spiritual body of 1 corinthians 15:44. Stop larping you are only going to make a fool of yourself.


52cd5e No.533588

File: 51c0489caf19a97⋯.jpg (31 KB, 291x483, 97:161, samuel and saul.jpg)

>>533575

Uhuh…


d3436a No.533591

>>533588

>what is 1 corinthians 15:44

rly


52cd5e No.533593

>>533591

a quote you give a retarded interpretation

on the other hand

>What is story of witch of Endor?


d3436a No.533597

>>533593

1 timothy 1:4

>Neither give heed to fables and enless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

>what are fables and endless genealogies ministering questions rather than edifying

Stop digging you won't like where it goes.


d3436a No.533598

>>533593

Also what is your interpretation of the verse then because of 2 peter 1:20. By what basis in the Bible do you interpret it as such?


52cd5e No.533599

>>533597

>story of witch of Endor is a fable

Oh, Im sorry, didnt realized that I was talking with a mentally deficient.

though I should've already, when you began posting ann*hilationist trash.


d3436a No.533600

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>>533599

>what are fake diseases made up by (((fake jews))) that are not Biblical in any fashion whatsoever

>what is ad hominim instead of godly edifying

Seriously stop now.


52cd5e No.533601

>>533600

>what are fake diseases made up by (((fake jews))) that are not Biblical in any fashion whatsoever

Are you seriously this retarded? Its IN the bible.

28 And it came to pass in those days, that the Philistines gathered their armies together for warfare, to fight with Israel. And Achish said unto David, Know thou assuredly, that thou shalt go out with me to battle, thou and thy men.

2 And David said to Achish, Surely thou shalt know what thy servant can do. And Achish said to David, Therefore will I make thee keeper of mine head for ever.

3 Now Samuel was dead, and all Israel had lamented him, and buried him in Ramah, even in his own city. And Saul had put away those that had familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land.

4 And the Philistines gathered themselves together, and came and pitched in Shunem: and Saul gathered all Israel together, and they pitched in Gilboa.

5 And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled.

6 And when Saul enquired of the Lord, the Lord answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets.

7 Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor.

8 And Saul disguised himself, and put on other raiment, and he went, and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night: and he said, I pray thee, divine unto me by the familiar spirit, and bring me him up, whom I shall name unto thee.

9 And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?

10 And Saul sware to her by the Lord, saying, As the Lord liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing.

11 Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel.

12 And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.

13 And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth.

14 And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

15 And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee, that thou mayest make known unto me what I shall do.

16 Then said Samuel, Wherefore then dost thou ask of me, seeing the Lord is departed from thee, and is become thine enemy?

17 And the Lord hath done to him, as he spake by me: for the Lord hath rent the kingdom out of thine hand, and given it to thy neighbour, even to David:

18 Because thou obeyedst not the voice of the Lord, nor executedst his fierce wrath upon Amalek, therefore hath the Lord done this thing unto thee this day.

19 Moreover the Lord will also deliver Israel with thee into the hand of the Philistines: and to morrow shalt thou and thy sons be with me: the Lord also shall deliver the host of Israel into the hand of the Philistines.

20 Then Saul fell straightway all along on the earth, and was sore afraid, because of the words of Samuel: and there was no strength in him; for he had eaten no bread all the day, nor all the night.

21 And the woman came unto Saul, and saw that he was sore troubled, and said unto him, Behold, thine handmaid hath obeyed thy voice, and I have put my life in my hand, and have hearkened unto thy words which thou spakest unto me.

22 Now therefore, I pray thee, hearken thou also unto the voice of thine handmaid, and let me set a morsel of bread before thee; and eat, that thou mayest have strength, when thou goest on thy way.

23 But he refused, and said, I will not eat. But his servants, together with the woman, compelled him; and he hearkened unto their voice. So he arose from the earth, and sat upon the bed.

24 And the woman had a fat calf in the house; and she hasted, and killed it, and took flour, and kneaded it, and did bake unleavened bread thereof:

25 And she brought it before Saul, and before his servants; and they did eat. Then they rose up, and went away that night.


52cd5e No.533603

>>533601

or from the new testament: story of Lazarus and rich men, remember that one? Why do you think that there is a name of Lazarus mentioned?


03ccba No.533604

>>533536

'Tis brudda be rite. But I'd expand on that. Transhumanism is not only an empty promise - it is an utopic fantasy par excellence.

The human mind - the soul - is something immaterial. It is bound to the body yet not identical with it. As much as plain AI is bound to a computer and what the source code as well as machine resoures allow it to do. Scared of Faceberg's AI creating its own language that only it can understand ? Well, first of all: It couldn't do anything with it. Because it literally can only communicate with systems (or humans) that know of that.

Secondly: AI is limited. Way more than the human mind - obviously. Contrary to the humand mind, however, AI is something that is not created by God, but by humans. Therefore it will be faulty, no matter what's going to happen - therefore imploding at some point.

All these [Johnny Depp movie] fantasies about uploading the "mind" into a computer or a Terminator-like scenario with Skynet are just that. Mere fantasies that will not happen.

Especially the former. Reason: See the beginning of this post. Our mind is so much more than mere electric impulses. You can map a neuronal network through a program, yes. But you cannot map what makes us human. No one but God can/could.


d3436a No.533606

>>533603

What verse are you refering to in John 11 for lazarus? Also why are you bringing up Saul disobeying the Lord and not waiting on the Lord in accordance with Psalms 27:14? He consulted a wizard and brought a spirit back to talk to. What else is there to say?


52cd5e No.533607

>>533606

>posting annihilationist garbarge

>"He consulted a wizard and brought a spirit back to talk to. What else is there to say?"


52cd5e No.533608

>>533606

>What verse are you refering to in John 11 for lazarus?

I'm referring to the entire story. When Jesus talked about fiction, he never mentioned names. However in this case, name is mentioned, which means, that its not a fiction but a real story.


d3436a No.533609

>>533607

>posting annihilationist garbarge

I am very confused. What does Saul consulting a wizard to bring samuel's spirit body i.e 1 corinthians 15:44 back have to do with anything?

I thought you were trying to explain your interpretation of 1 corinthians 15:44 at first but now I am just confused. What does "annihiliationist" even mean in this context? Am I advocating that we destroy things or something?


d3436a No.533610

>>533608

Well yes, physical death is temporary as proven by lazarus and jesus rising from physical death see John 11, matthew 26, and luke 23. But eternal death/the lake of fire is not. See Revelation 19:20, Revelation 20, and 1 corinthians 15:54-58 .


52cd5e No.533611

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>>533609

>>533558

>"No your soul needs a body to survive. End of story"

>>533564

>"You need a body for your soul to survive."

>>533575

>"If you stop breathing permenently i.e you die physically/carnally. Then yes, the soul is destroyed in all animals"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annihilationism


52cd5e No.533614

>>533610

Psalm 52:5 "Surely God will bring you down to everlasting ruin: He will snatch you up and pluck you from your tent; he will uproot you from the land of the living."

Psalm 78:66 "He beat back his enemies; he put them to everlasting shame."

Isaiah 33:14 "The sinners in Zion are terrified; trembling grips the godless: 'Who of us can dwell with the consuming fire? Who of us can dwell with everlasting burning?'"

Isaiah 66:24 "And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind."

Jeremiah 23:40 "I will bring on you everlasting disgrace—everlasting shame that will not be forgotten."

Jeremiah 25:9 "I will completely destroy them and make them an object of horror and scorn, and an everlasting ruin."

Daniel 12:2 "Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt."

Matthew 8:12 "… where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Matthew 10:15 "… it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment.."

Matthew 11:24 "… it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you"

Matthew 18:8 "It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."

Matthew 22:13 "… where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." Same as Matt 8:12

Matthew 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'"

Mark 9:46–48 "And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where 'the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.'"

Revelation 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name."

Revelation 20:10 "And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."


d3436a No.533616

>>533611

I am not a seventh day adventenist though. I also have already stated that the lake of fire is exactly that, where the devil and his angels will be tortured day and night forever and ever see Revelation 20. If you can't die as a spirit the closest thing to it is eternal torture which God states is a synonym for death in Revelation 20:14

>And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

But men are beasts as stated in ecclesiasties 3:18-21. And not all humans fall under 1 corinthians 15:38 as God giveth as it pleases him.


d3436a No.533617

>>533616

I just noticed. The last him should be a "Him". I fail so hard.


52cd5e No.533618

>>533616

>But men are beasts as stated in ecclesiasties 3:18-21.

Now this is a new level of retarded.

First of all, Men are not Beasts

Second, here Solomon says his opinion when he was depressed, its not the actual fact or statement

And third, Beast hear doesn't mean an animal, it means a sinner. Just as Dog in deuteronomy isnt an pet Dog, but is used as a symbol of Male pederast prostitutes (kadesh).

Or do you think that God made man in his own image and likeness, to be a beast? then why aren't animals also called to be made in image and likeness of God? Even Angels arent mentioned in the bible to be made in image and likeness of God. Only man have this epithet.

>wisdom 2:23: 23 For God created man to be immortal, and made him to be an image of his own eternity.


52cd5e No.533619

>>533617

You fail in many things. First is that you """believe""" that Men are Beasts


21c73c No.533620

File: ca1ab81c033c9b0⋯.jpg (49.05 KB, 512x384, 4:3, butthurt creme.jpg)

>>533583

Firstly, dial it down a little, bozo the clown. You're proclaiming an ((( idea ))) that is NOT in alignment with years of historical Christianity with this idea of body-dependant souls, so, it is not I who am inventing anything new that I should need to call on authority.

Nevertheless, since you insist on knowing, the "authority" I depend upon to DEFINE words is the Koine Greek language, and the breadth of ways in which that same word is used in other verses and texts. You want to take it up with someone, speak to the late classical Greeks and the vast number of interpreters who have been busy turning the Bible into every language under the sun.

Secondly,

>I don't speak greek or hebrew.

Well, you SHOULD if you want to go about revising the Spirit's intent with special new theologies, you ought to at least have the courtesy of calling on the first language the Spirit was forced to use for the subtleties of meaning.

Beside which, my protest was merely that YOU were basing this entire idea of body-dependent souls on TWO verses, where there is a vast WEALTH of other verses that object to your claim. This is not to say you are emphatically wrong, but that you have FAILED to prove your case.

Thirdly,

>Also you are completely forgetting that in matthew 10:28 God mentions two bodies. The carnal, fleshly body of romans 8:8, and the spiritual body of 1 corinthians 15:44.

JUSTIFY YOURSELF!!

The verse in the English, that you so desperately cling to, AND in the Greek BOTH use the SAME word – "body" in English and " σῶμα" in the Greek. There is NO hint, NO subtle suggestion, NO subtext that YOU can cling to to make such a claim that, "Oh, well, that exact same word in each case refers to two different things." When Paul talks about two different bodies in 1Cor15, he makes his intent abundantly clear, even though he uses the same word for "body", by slapping each with an adjective – "spiritual" or "natural". Christ makes NO such distinction.

So, go on, justify your claim. Show me how Christ really meant something different when He used the exact same word without qualifiers or adjectives?


d3436a No.533621

>>533618

Wew ok lets start with the easy ones

<Second, here Solomon says his opinion when he was depressed, its not the actual fact or statement

Where does it say this in the Bible. I seem to be missing it totally. Or how did you come to this interpretation in accordance with 2 peter 1:20?

<First of all, Men are not Beasts

Yes there are read Ecclesiasties 3:18

>I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that htey might see that they themselves are beasts

<And third, Beast hear doesn't mean an animal, it means a sinner.

Well the most consistent interpretation would use the dictionary definition of beast found here https://archive.fo/DJ308 as follows

>c : an animal as distinguished from a plant

It couldn't be anything else in this case becuase it is stated

>they themselves are beasts

<Just as Dog in deuteronomy isnt an pet Dog

Well kinda. Jesus and other saints usual refer to dogs when refering to the unsaved. By that I mean those who lack the 1 corinthians 15:44 because of 15:37.

Have some verses, Exodus 11:7

>But against any of the children of israel shall not a dog move his tongue, against man or beast: that ye may know how that the LORD doth put a difference between the Egyptians and Israel.

God seems to call egyptians dogs in this verse. Lets keep reading at 2 samuel 9:8

>And he bowed himself, and said, What is thy servant, that thou shouldest look upon such a dead dog as I am?

It seems Mephibosheth called himself a dog literally infront of David. But wait this last one will set you free to the knowledge of the truth at 2 samuel 16:7,9

>And thus said Shimei when he cursed, Come out, come out, thou bloody man, and thou man of Belial:

>Then said Abishai the son of Zeruiah unto the king, Why should this dead dog curse my lord the king? let me go over, I pray thee, and take off his head

Shimei, a unbeliver and unsaved human, is called a dog in this context.

<Or do you think that God made man in his own image and likeness, to be a beast?

I will make a second post to adress this as it is very lengthy in quotes. Also what is this book of wisdom you keep quoting? I quote everything out of the KJV Bible. I have never heard of such a book


0b5881 No.533622

>>533552

Exactly, anything else with your memories still isn’t you.


52cd5e No.533624

>>533621

>Where does it say this in the Bible. I seem to be missing it totally.

well, sweety, thats what happens when you dont read the entire thing, but parts that you cherrypick.

>Yes there are read Ecclesiasties 3:18

hmmm

>I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Does this sound that Solomon is stating his opinion?

"oh but no, this is clearly stated fact, not his opinion, not really"

>Well the most consistent interpretation would use the dictionary definition of beast

No it isn't you brainlet, by your logic, dogs in Deuteronomy should be dogs, instead of prostitutes. This is YOUR interpretation, that denies thousand year old church tradition. so much for "2 PetEr WaN two dots tWenTy".

>I quote everything out of the KJV Bible. I have never heard of such a book

Maybe you should read more…


d3436a No.533625

>>533620

<speak to the late classical Greeks and the vast number of (((interpreters)))

>(((historical)) (((fake jew told))) (((traditions from the post 1800's)))

>I don't speak greek or hebrew.

<Well, you SHOULD if you want to go

See colossians 2:8 again

>Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ

>There is NO hint, NO subtle suggestion, NO subtext

Let's use logic then. In the Matthew 10:28 verse Jesus states body, then body and soul. If He were refering to the physical body both times that wouldn't fit with the eternal flame of revelation 20's fire. If he were refering to the spirit body 1 corinthians 15:44 both times then it wouldn't make sense as you could touch them at the time being humans and physical/carnal. So surely the first "body" is in refernce to the physical. But the second "body and soul" is in refernce to the spiritual. I will get those quotes on the breath of life shortly.


d3436a No.533629

>>533624

<Does this sound that Solomon is stating his opinion?

I will refer you to 2 timothy 3:16 again

>All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in rightousness:

God meant what He said when He said "All scripture"

<well, sweety, thats what happens when you dont read the entire thing, but parts that you cherrypick.

Show me what I am ignoring and your interpretation in accordance with 2 peter 1:20.

>>533618

>Or do you think that God made man in his own image and likeness, to be a beast?

Kinda, Adam during the begining was made in the image of God as stated in Genesis 5:1-2. In Matthew 19:4-6 it is said

>And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

>And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

>whereunto they are no more twain but one flesh. What therefore God hat joined together, let not man put asunder.

But why say "them" read Genesis 5:1-2

>THIS is the book of the generations of Adam. IN the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

>Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Now flip over to Genesis 6:17

>And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

< then why aren't animals also called to be made in image and likeness of God?

Ok so all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, can die/did die during the second flood. Meanwhile God refers to Adam as "them" during the begining and because "they twain shall be one flesh". Yet another cause for marriage as stated "For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife:". So how can animals become married if the cause is "he which made them at the beginning mad them male and female,"? Only humans were like that and only for a time. Until the curse of Genesis 3:14 hit that is and also when Adam was seperated and became adam and eve in Genesis 2:21-24.


d3436a No.533631

>>533629

>hat

Should be "hath" along with that adam supposed to be "Adam"


21c73c No.533634

File: 60997057ae83c2d⋯.png (135.93 KB, 294x256, 147:128, 1373548861113.png)

>>533625

I see, so because YOU said so, because YOU have this new special interpretation of the Bible, this ISN'T violating 2Peter1:20, t-t-that's …. a revelation … from God. Yeah… that's it.

Traditions of men refers to unbiblical things invented by men that have no basis in the Bible. What I did was throw a bunch of verses at you and you reject them as jewish philosophy or whateverthefuckthatfirstfewparagraphsismeanttobeinsinuating.

< tells me off for using "vain deceit" and "rudeiments of the world"

>Let's use logic then

< proceeds to use "logic" a most human "rudiment"

Okay, let's.

>If He were refering to the physical body both times that wouldn't fit with the eternal flame of revelation 20's fire. If he were refering

IF

So, you're going to reinterpret something Christ explicitly said, imbue two different meanings to the exact same word because it fits more neatly with your understanding of other verses? That, sir, is some shitty exegesis. Especially since you need to call on verses from a completely different book to refine what Jesus must have meant.

And I have been reading your posts in this thread, and shitty exegesis is exactly what I keep finding, over and over, some really bad abuse of scripture. And it all started with your first claim:

>>533558

>thinking romans 8:8 does not exist

>No your soul needs a body to survive

Romans 8:8 isn't referring to anything remotely close to body or soul, dualism or unity … it's referring to the fact that those who are in the flesh – that is, those who embrace the carnal nature – cannot please God. In NO WAY could that be interpreted as those who are in the "body", or the "fleshly body" or whatever insan…

what is this I don't even

Whoever is teaching you, I think you should run from. You've got such a bizarrely unique interpretation of specific verses that I am seriously thinking that you're actually a Jehovah's Witness and not a Christian, except that you're quoting KJV and not the super-special "New World Bible".


d3436a No.533637

<So, you're going to reinterpret something Christ explicitly said, imbue two different meanings to the exact same word because it fits more neatly with your understanding of other verses?

Well no. God defined both terms in 1 corinthians 15:44, a spiritual body and a physical body.

>Especially since you need to call on verses from a completely different book to refine what Jesus must have meant.

The Bible is one book. With many chapters. What is your interpretation of it in accordance with 2 peter 1:20 if you find something wrong with this?

<What I did was throw a bunch of verses at you and you reject them as jewish philosophy

Well kinda, you didn't even quote the same book I am. I am quoting the KJV Bible. You quoted some random collection of manuscripts/trash paper that makes God out to be a liar if used as a book or bible to you.

<Romans 8:8 isn't referring to anything remotely close to body or soul, dualism or unity … it's referring to the fact that those who are in the flesh – that is, those who embrace the carnal nature – cannot please God. In NO WAY could that be interpreted as those who are in the "body", or the "fleshly body" or whatever insan…

Indeed, hence Matthew 10:28. God refers to body in that one verse along with soul and body again. Another verse supporting such is 1 thessalonians 5:23

>And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

>spirit and soul and body

Here it is used as three seperate things just like in matthew 10:28. Unless you have a interpretation you can explain to me using the Bible because of 2 peter 1:20. I am not a jehovah's witness. I am just a Christian quoting what God says in the Bible. Nothing more or less.


d3436a No.533646

>You've got such a bizarrely unique interpretation of specific verses

Taking the Bible literally and defining words using other words in the Bible is that bizare to you? Well when good is evil and evil is good……


6d0578 No.533656

>>533552

>, your soul goes into rest until the second coming of Christ.

Ehh….no, this is pretty objectively wrong.


f9ebee No.533894

File: 02cfed4664aa7ee⋯.jpg (69.54 KB, 626x500, 313:250, wtf-am-i-reading-stupidest….jpg)

>>533637

>you didn't even quote the same book I am. I am quoting the KJV Bible. You quoted some random collection of manuscripts/trash paper that makes God out to be a liar if used as a book or bible to you.

>"trash paper"

>the KJV is the only honoured word of God. The original Greek is shit.

We're done here.


d6178f No.533930

>bunch of autistic neets think that the human body works like their desktop

kind of understandable seeing as the PC is the only real social interaction they get


d236e7 No.533982

Documentary - "Transhumanism & the Bible"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsuW0m_ZSgw


56095e No.533992

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>533982

This. Would have posted, but I thought it was removed from yt. As always (well mostly), the Bishop of Tempe is on point.


9b56ef No.534245

File: 4d6b46e4a01a6b0⋯.jpg (12.87 KB, 407x482, 407:482, lol-scream.jpg)

>>533992

>Bishop of Tempe


a94f4d No.534248

File: d883e64dfba395f⋯.jpg (44.16 KB, 800x600, 4:3, throne-of-god-image.jpg)

Bishop of Scottsdale


55b08b No.534276

File: 7c314ad08707909⋯.jpg (8.03 KB, 250x200, 5:4, it_feels_good_to_be_white.jpg)

>Bishop of Phoenix


82da44 No.534697

>>533535

Don't worry anon, they got that all figured out. See, they'll kill the original and then bend logic into a pretzel to try to make this whole thing applicable to the ship of theseus and then declare that this all makes the copy identical to the original. This is what transhumanists actually believe, how do we help these poor lunatics?


82da44 No.534698

File: b3a3e525b9bf16e⋯.jpg (9.59 KB, 260x160, 13:8, 70648.jpg)

>>533637

>The Bible is one book. With many chapters.


f9cc71 No.534748

>>533536

this is the best response to transhumanism


45c11a No.534951

File: 2ada339e4b87f4d⋯.png (493.41 KB, 1000x1000, 1:1, human_and_posthumans_by_dr….png)

Further human biological development

>your descendants shall conquer the heavens, earth, and seas with a multitude of forms brought about by ourselves or nature

>we shall spread the message of our creator to the stars, with both communication and confrontation

>soon, we shall wage holy wars against ourselves, quibbling over details, unrecognizable to previous generations

>long after our extinction, the descendants of those species converted shall still speak of Adam, Moses, Jesus and various saints, both earthly and otherwise

I find solace in an ancient universe, for it means that could be.


f3ae00 No.534968

It was meant to be portrayed as a bad thing, at least in cyperpunk. It's how people lose their identity due to placing their faith in brands.


556cab No.537155

>>533536

About the second picture: what if you could genetically edit men to not have weak characters though?


556cab No.537156

>>537155

Also: why does /christian/ seems to hate technology? "Hurr there won't be flying cars". Seems very short-sighted.


6be886 No.537176

>>533534

Universal entrophy is not a theory favored by physicists; atheists favor it because of that nihilistic "eat, drink and be merry" BS but the fact is that what happens in a small, closed system is not necessarily or even probably related to the fate of the universe.

God will make this universe infinite and ever more complex. We may become half-machine, our minds may become immortal as our flesh passes away, hey… doesn't that sound like the promise of eternal life.

Atheists won't exist long enough to get there I guess.


45c11a No.537235

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>537156

They believe that it's conduit for sin (computers with porn/shitposting), and should be avoided if at all possible.


750b61 No.537364

>>533572

*they will be the last


52cd5e No.537380

>>537176

A)no, Universe will never be infinite. Only infinite is God

B)no, this is not eternal life. You see bodily immortality as it, that is wrong. There is a reason, why it is promised to have eternal life instead of "immortality", because humans are already immortal, so there is no point to this. Eternal life is to be with God, to be in mystical communion with our heavenly father, which transhumanism won't succeed. And we will gain changed incorruptible bodies at the end of the old world anyway, so there is no point to this for me.

And no, transferring your data on a chip won't copy your soul




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