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 No.9678

What does healthy sexuality look like in the context of a Heathen worldview and society?

Obviously it is not the out of control promiscuity of the modern world, but I doubt it's the "beg Jesus for forgiveness for rubbing one out" of Christianity either.

Yet there is not too much I can think of that is written down about sexuality from a Heathen perspective outside of a few definites; like a general frowning down on homosexuality, and women cheating on their spouses having their heads shaven and then driven from the village by whipping.

Yet there are also grey areas such as the existence of brothels, though such things existed throughout most, if not all of traditionalist civilization. Even the Christian, Augustine, famously remarked "If you do away with harlots, the world will be convulsed with lust." Looking at the world around us, I think our ancestors were on to something with that one.

What say you fellow Heathens?

 No.9682

>>9678

Pump and dump, marriage is a scam that empowers women by saying men are equal to them, which led to the degeneracy we see around us. If you look at animals in the wild they most often don't mate for life, even the gods would mate with several goddesses. Also this whole concept of 'spousal love' is actually quite recent, for most of history women were seen as objects that could be sold or traded, their worth was linked to entertainment value and the number of children they could bear.


 No.9685

>>9682

I'm not denouncing some pump and dump pre-marriage, but a folkish Asatruar should appreciate the value of reproduction and the value of a solid family unit for it to occur in.

>>9678

Honestly, I think as long as you're keeping yourself safe and nastiness-free while out of a committed relationship, and remembering the importance of oath-keeping while in one, you're probably not going too far wrong. People should be aiming for decent marriages to produce decent children in decent number, I don't think too much else really matters.


 No.9703

>>9682

Modern marriage is broken, but not for the reasons you state.

Marriage, when not broken, is one of the keystones of an advanced civilization. It was originally a contract that consisted of a man exchanging his protection and labor, while a woman exchanged exclusive access to her reproductive capabilities. In fact, originally, in the aftermath of a divorce, a man would get custody of the kids due to them being considered his property under the aforementioned contract.

With a proper marriage contract in place, a man feels more invested in contributing towards a civilization in order to provide for his wife and children. Without this, you get the uber alpha males having 50 wives, with most males being left with nothing, and thus having no motivation to contribute to society. Thus, you get a barbaric shithole "civilization" like Islam, with lots of disposable men willing to blow themselves up to get their 42 virgins because that is literally the only way they can see themselves getting laid. That, or a tribe/race filled with a lot of rapists for the same reason (i.e. the activities of the current immigrant invasion in Europe.)

Modern marriage, in comparison, is a fraudulent contract. Thanks to no fault divorce. A woman can literally break the contract by cheating on you, and rather than getting punished, get everything (your money, your house, your property, exclusive custody of your kids, etc.) while you're reduced to living in an apartment with a friend while giving away most of your income to your wife and kids via alimony. She is no longer obligated to provide you with reproduction or other wifely duties, but you will still have to provide her with labor and security. A lot of men have become hip to this reality, thus the rise of hook-up culture.

Thus it is not marriage itself that is responsible for degeneracy, but the corruption of marriage. Marriage never had anything to do with the equality of the sexes, you can thank Feminism for that.

Marriage is still important for society, and it still should be pursued for the reasons I mentioned earlier on. Nevertheless, due to the state it's in as I outlined, I really can't shake my finger at any man who decides it's a bum rap and is not for him.

The cold hard truth is that if you want to pursue marriage in the modern West, you need to have your shit together in terms of lifestyle and Game, and you need to be highly selective of the woman you want to marry. This is very sad and bad thing for society in the long run, considering as recently as the early 20th century, you could make a marriage work just by being a decent guy and having a stable job.

> Also this whole concept of 'spousal love' is actually quite recent,…

This overall attitude is very Judeo-Christian/Semitic in origin. I think that the "sweet spot" for how women should be treated in society is pre-Christian European in general. Not having the right to vote, yet not being treated like abject shit as they are in the Middle East.


 No.9705

>>9682

This is a really unhealthy and terrible way to treat someone else in general, not just a woman. And no, before anyone says anything I'm not a feminist


 No.9708

>>9678

I'll try to compose some points from the sagas.

Chastity was highly valued in both sexes, especially in women. If a woman was courted or touched inappropriately, her family was duty bound to find the man and mutilate him.

Although an unmarried woman was not punished by law for being promiscuous (which makes some leftists think Norse society was some libertine shithole), she would not go unshunned and would be exempt from receiving an inheritance.

The young were the property of their family. Adults were the property of their spouse.

You were expected to marry young and you had very little say in the matter. Marriage was not for love, it was insignificant. Marriage was for reproduction and political gain. Before marriage a woman was the responsibility of her father/brothers. When wed, her husband. When widowed, her sons.

Rape was shunned, and a man who had slept with another man's wife was treated in the same way as a cheating woman would.

Prostitution existed (the Norse word for prostitute is vændiskona, literally 'bad woman').

Being fucked by a man was seen as pathetic. There are instances in the sagas of men receiving wounds (of battle) near the ass and being mercilessly ridiculed for being fags.

Tacitus said that the Germanic peoples were alone among barbarians in practicing monogamy. However an aristocrat could take a concubine, provided that she was from a lower class.

>>9682

While the natural inclination of man seems towards polygyny, we have observed that monogamy is the core for an advanced and well-ordered society. Pumping and dumping should stay among the Africans.


 No.9729

>>9708

>You were expected to marry young and you had very little say in the matter. Marriage was not for love, it was insignificant. Marriage was for reproduction and political gain.

Not completely. I remember in the sagas that an arranged marriage typically had a two-step approval system: the father had to approve, and then the daughter had to approve.

There was also a running theme throughout the sagas that a marriage that went through without the daughters' approval was doomed (the marriage would disintegrate, or the groom would end up dead due to mysterious circumstances, etc.)

Love was also often a theme involved in saga marriages.

One story involved a woman not helping her first husband during a battle, and him dying as a result. Then when she gets married to the man she really wants, she reveals to him a sword that helps him win the battle that she could've given to the first husband (an example of the theme mentioned before.)

I also remember a saga tale of woman's husband being targeted for killing. As the killer was about to attack the husband from behind, his wife cried out "look out behind you!" but was too late. Later on, she lamented that she had lost her lover and her best friend.

There was even an example of a man who had to deal with a bad reputation because he was an ex-slave who won his freedom. There was one passage where he actually employed charisma and Game to win over a woman who was initially hostile to him.

As for which specific sagas these examples come from, it's been forever since I've read them and could not remember off the top of my head to save my life. All I know for sure is that they were all in this collection of sagas that I own:

http://www.amazon.com/Sagas-Icelanders-Penguin-Classics-Deluxe/dp/0141000031/ref=sr_1_1_twi_pap_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1456618974&sr=1-1&keywords=The+Sagas+of+the+Icelanders

Don't get me wrong, I think you are absolutely right that marriage was mostly for reproduction and political alliances. I just think that love/spousal affection was more of a factor than it's given credit for.


 No.9740

The world is convulsed with lust because we stopped beating harlots and stopped killing promoters of deviance.


 No.9757

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>>9740

>sniff sniff

I smell Christfag


 No.9830

>>9682

Found the Jew…


 No.9864

>>9682

Enjoy your STDs degenarate




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