/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

You can't. This board is like /pol/ except you go beyond white being a plus and make it a requirement to be muh 100% true germanic folk no 1 drop no lie.

I mean thats great and all, but fuck way to narrow down an already shallow pool of pagans. You guys bit the jew d/c bait hard.

>>9650

You're full of shit, religion is based on genetics, if everyone was allowed to be a member of the Asatru community, then we'd be like Christians who have pretty large communities in Africa, Asia, and South America. That's personally why I stopped worshipping jesus because he doesn't make a cultural divide which is essential to a perpetuation of a religion, a folk, or a civilization.

>>9651

>>9651

This tbh

>>9651

No you're full of shit, you faggots go around shitting on anyone whose bloodline has a trickle of anything outside of muh pure folk heritage.

You could be fucking 90% Germanic and because someone in your family fucked a mudblood years ago you'd tell them to fuck off to another religion. Well champ, there is your answer as to why you will never see this board more active. /pol/ even laughs at you.

This is why this board is dead. You have a tiny fucking sampling of people on a board on an already tiny splinter imageboard and you're going around telling people who are overwhelmingly white that they don't belong.

Obviously a shitskin arab isn't white, and obviously religion should be based on your heritage, but the problem is that absolutely no one here has any idea where to draw the lines and thus choose to all go around saying that they're pure while everyone else looking to discuss isn't.

This front page is fucking covered in it.

And no one fucking cares why you stopped being christian, no one mentioned christianity.

>>9653

lol lots of strawmanning here

>>9647

I think that having interesting and meaningful conversations can help. The front page right now has a resurrected "can I be asatru 2 guise" thread, a Cuckings thread, and a thread about "pagan fashion". We can start by creating threads that people actually want to post in or ones that bring us together (ie how do you incorporate Asatru into your daily life, whatever) instead of "new Cuckings episode tonight frienderinos"

>>9650

>>9653

I think you may possibly have a point here.

I remember that the precise moment when the board's posting activity went down the shitter was the aftermath of the peak of the "one drop vs minimally mixed" shitstorm, which also coincided with the botched Infinity Next migration.

Now the botched migration may be a cause, but upon a minimum of reflection, it causing the post decline by itself doesn't make any sense. Things slowing down temporarily due to people not wanting to have their posts disappearing into the ether after migration is one thing. But you would think that posters loyal to and who love 8chan /asatru/ would keep track of the progress of the migration, be aware of when it went kaput, and then just go right back to posting, like on other boards.

That didn't happen. Right after the botched migration, which also coincided with the peak of the debate, our board spiraled down into a level of minimal activity that it has not recovered from since.

Either:

a) A lot of the board members were one-droppers and left in the aftermath of the shitstorm.

b) A lot of board members were part of the minimally mixed argument, and left in the aftermath of the shitstorm.

or

c) A large portion of both groups left due to the shitstorm.

I'm starting to suspect that the fanatical one-drop poster was a divide and conquer shill, who used this same tactic before in other similar communities, and who unfortunately accomplished his job quite well.

>>9655

Different anon, but I also agree with that guy.

That shitstorm probably took a lot of people from both camps, rather than one or the other. Plus, we're small to begin with. It's not like we're in a position similar to /tg/, for example, and a thread can shoot up with ten or twenty new replies if you leave it for a couple hours.

What little userbase we have left has to dig for scraps in the catalog. Which is fine, honestly, new insights on older topics are always a plus. At least it's conversation of some kind. New conversations are also welcome, obviously, but people have things going on, so there's no "user rotation" where there's a portion of the population keeping the board active while the others are offline doing their daily duties or simply lurking.

>>9653

We don't all hate Bloodaxe m8, leave it out. There are no pure Germanic people; we all, at the very least, have Celtic, Slavic, Baltic, Finnic and/or Lappic admixture. Some of us are entirely white European, sure, but that doesn't preclude us accepting people with non-white admixture. I'm wholly English but am perfectly happy to discuss a "minimal mixture" idea as mentioned in the sad tale of >>9655.

Anyway,

>>9647

http://8ch.net/asatru/res/9564.html

I made this thread essentially asking this question some time ago, but then I failed to post or even browse the board for a while. The tl;dr seems that the best course of action may be advertising in suitable FB groups. Groups which are explicitly folkish Asatru groups might make good candidates, as might general alt-right groups as long as you can trust the Christians there not to come and shill too hard. Experience has led me to believe that a higher proportion of the strongly nationalistic right is heathen than the dominant DEUS VULT voice might make you think at first.

>>9655

My impressions from arguing with the "One-drop" anons were they were probably two different people. I think one was a divide and conquer shill as you stated the other I think was an angry teenager.

They practically spammed and flooded unrelated threads and even when I told them not to and suggested maybe they create their own thread they continued to shit up said threads. Around this time I noticed (as I predicated) that posters had started dropping off a bit. I mean you want to post about music or fashion, etc and you open up said thread to see walls of text posts with vitriol contained within it is oft-putting. Especially when you come to a board dedicated to a religion based on honor and virture. That is a another instance my suspicions were raised. Like what sort of self-proclaimed serious Asatruar resorts to throwing what it seems like an online temper tantrum?

But I digress.

>>9647

I think posting will start coming up again once some anons realize those trolls are gone. We already have a discussion and came to an agreement on here that the issue of "One-drop" vs "Minimally mixed" should be left up to kindreds, tribes, clans, etc.

>>9662

:)

I posted barely anything in in the last months and I can assure it has nothing to do with the "one drop"-discussion.

It might be considered a daring thing to do, but I think controversial topics are one way to engage people. Why would people discuss things, when they already agree on everything? My rambling mind came up with a few things in the time I wasn't posting, some of them might sound retarded or even "shilly", but they are still topics we could discuss.

>>9667

>I posted barely anything in in the last months and I can assure it has nothing to do with the "one drop"-discussion.

This, you faggots are thinking way too highly of yourselves if you think what some random internet shitters say about how "I'm american and so I have a 30% chance of being 1/174th non-white and so clearly not asatru material" phases me in the very slightest (especially coupled with what I'm going to say about this place). That's like saying "I worry that the usage of '-fag' in our community might be…".

The truth for me is that since the /asatru/ villages thread fell flat on its ass with not even a break in the discussion to act on and meet up later with the results (And has defied all attempts at revival)… I've really not had a lot to say around here. I peek in but the threads are fairly mediocre and don't require much in the way of my input… I'm honestly accomplishing more on /pol/ during my limited imageboard time in between working out, working, etc. etc.

Once my time frees up some I'll probably start a project where I'm leading and in something like a tox group where people have names and accountability instead of one of several and hoping those anonymous several stay posting and involved or I can't accomplish anything. I'm a doer, not a talker, so all the talking without any doing puts me off. The hour is late before a clashing of civilisations and gods and the front page is all meaningless things that have no real potential for action, repeatedly rotating my skull to be perfectly frank, kin.

>>9667

>>9668

There's a big difference between controversial/spirited discussion and a monkey house. Based on personal experience, even the most thick-skinned/stiff-upper-lip people eventually get fed up with a monkey house.

I remember back when there was this thread that started out as a thread on altars, and then got derailed into a "discussion" on the usage of drugs within the context of the Heathen worldview. I use scare quotes around "discussion" due to the fact that this "discussion" was more like one side arguing with facts and logic, and the other just shitting into their hand and slinging it. I remember one particular poster saying, roughly paraphrased off the top of my head: "well, that's it, I'm not posting here anymore, you can't have a board like this on a chan without /b/ culture seeping in."

That was literally just one thread derailed. During the One-drop crap, multiple threads got derailed into monkey houses, including objectively really good threads.

And it has nothing to do with sensitivity. It has to do with the atmosphere of a place and the valuing of one's time. Think. Even if you are not some sissy who gets their feelings easily hurt, if you're looking for a board for serous discussion, would you honestly stick around if every other thread consists of trolls smearing their shit on the walls?

Controversy and heated debate are fine, but it's not worth higher post rates if people are driven away by not wanting to waste their time in a place that comes off as a house full of monkeys slinging and smearing their shit everywhere.

>I'm honestly accomplishing more on /pol/ during my limited imageboard time…

What are you accomplishing on /pol/? Maybe we could get some ideas on here for what works.

Perhaps a Tox group (skype could work but Tox is a lot more secure)?

>>9668

>>9674

Also, heard about a similar message encryption app called Telegram:

https://telegram.org/

How does it fair compared to Tox?

>>9676

I think Tox is better because Telegram requires a phone number and name, while Tox doesn't even require an email.

>>9670

>What are you accomplishing on /pol/? Maybe we could get some ideas on here for what works.

Well, digging threads, activism, even (most shamefully) discussing and spreading heathenry. It almost feels like around here there is a resignation to fringe movement status instead of the sparks of a building crescendo that national socialism (secular heathenry, to be honest) has. But without the soul the body will not be nearly as successful.

I mean, discussing what heathens should wear is neat and all, but with a motivated group talking daily we could decide on what the entire history of this board has discussed in a year done in a few weeks with momentum to spare. I'm talking nothing less than a new thule or vril society, a priestly, philosophic and intellectual crux upon which the new movements can rest their material aims upon. It would obviously have to start as a book club as we are by no means master arcanists or even the most read of the heathen movement… But once knowledgeably is obtained the intellectual momentum will be explosive. Pure dynamite, assuming we collect the truly dedicated. Doing it on TOX sounds good until somebody can just not sign on again, it is for that reason I think we really have to coalesce physically to have the level of "hey man where were you yesterday? why aren't you studying?" accountability we'd need to truly change the world. Give me even three other men like that and change the world we would indeed.

>>9676

Tox is far superior for several reasons.

>>9683

Getting some activism done sounds like a good thing to me and is part of the reason I'd like to see some more people under our e-banner. What kind of stuff were you thinking of seeing done on Tox?

>>9684

My guess is that it's to keep track of all the active posters, and have a formal form of communication with each other, using usernames instead of anonymity.

>>9686

Respectable, but I mean precisely what kind of shit are we looking to get done? I guess that's the kind of thing that can form part of a discussion in said formal communication, but still.

>>9687

I guess we could spread awareness about right wing politics. Lefties seem more open to a heathen telling them about right wing politics rather than a christian, probably because they can relate to paganism a lot more than they can relate to christianity. A chat group would make it easy to organize our propaganda and stuff like that.

>>9688

/pol/ has that handled, it's heathenry that barely exists and our brand of völkisch heathenry that is even more against the ropes. I'm not sure about you guys but I refuse to let the coming resurgence of the right be a predominantly christian one, the "le defender of the west" cognitive dissonance of future christians will be off the charts.

Much like how they were busy killing saxons, anglos, balts, etc. while islam festered and took northern africa but they say they defended the west at tours and vienna (but what of the half of the roman empire lost and never regained to the south???) they only half-fixed a problem at the very hour of doom, a problem they themselves allowed to take place.

Much like how they were busy killing dem der ebil nadzis and hosting refugees in their churches while marxism festered and took the minds of the western world but they'll say they defended the west in the future (but what of the wide-scale miscegenation and the massive purges of our own genetics we'll have to do?) when they FINALLY do something as rome, london, paris and berlin are burning and 50% muslim…

No, I intend to nail them to a cross of their own failures and secure a pre-christian archeofuture. If it is one we have to share with a christendom put in its place and robbed of its self-delusion about its successes then so be it but I will settle for nothing less than equal footing going forward. The coming pendulum swing will happen with or without our activism, but its soul may retain the egalitarian semitic taint that started leftism to begin* with if we do not act.

*At least ten to twenty thousand years of aryan thought and never once did a leftist system emerge before christendoms "neither jew nor gentile, neither slave nor free" narrative. One cannot push thoughts they have no base or vocabulary to even fathom, the blind cannot advocate for painting every building green.

So that is what I mean. Between the sperging out about minor things like finns being 1/365th asians and therefore not asatru and flinging feces about "LARPing" there are too many roadblocks for this community to succeed without hierarchy. It's a mess. If not a single leader then we at least need an empowered Thing (or probably best a leader with a group of thingmen). There are conclusions that need to be made in private amongst the educated and level-headed and then pushed internally on the greater board before anything will happen externally. Besides, a central council of 4-10 people alone discussing things and then sharing the theology and logic of the arrived conclusions will boost traffic, as an added plus.

>>9689

PS: While heathenry is essentially a non-factor at the moment there is a great groundswell of people without gods who are looking for faith or whom have realised that christendom has failed, but at the same time see heathenry as wicca or r/asatru/.

What a shame if simple inaction allowed this body of people to be reabsorbed by catholicism, or worse, protestantism for mere lack of other visible options.

>>9690

We could spread heathenry to our volk, perhaps guide them in the right direction? I do not think Christianity should reclaim the west, as it is waning while Islam is peaking. We, /asatru/, perhaps the most organized volkisch heathen community on the internet, need to organize further and reclaim our volk. What do you say, we share Tox information and start a group?

>>9691

>We, /asatru/, perhaps the most organized volkisch heathen community on the internet, need to organize further and reclaim our volk

Pathetic that a dedboard is such, but true. As has been known for all time those with the most vision and ability bear the heaviest loads, regardless of their numbers.

>What do you say, we share Tox information and start a group?

That's probably the start-point but it will only take us so far. We need a true kinship, a village even if it exists within another city, with a chieftan and thing and its own resources. That is what I thought we were close to with the asatru villages thread. In this instance secular heathenry (national socialism) has an answer for spiritual heathenry… If we build it, the disenfranchised, those robbed of greater meaning and racial kinship will see that we have what is devoid in their lives and will come, and from there we will teach them the rest.

>>9692

That is true, however I have to work and as such, cannot leave my area much at all. I think an online group would be a good place to start, finding like minded people and "converting" people as it were. Then we can worry about real life interactions. (there's also the fact that i know there are at least 2 sweaty autists who browse /asatru/, and i dont particularly want to meet them.)

>>9693

>That is true, however I have to work and as such, cannot leave my area much at all. I think an online group would be a good place to start, finding like minded people and "converting" people as it were.

Don't get ahead of yourself. Until we have answers for people through established and discussed dogma (for lack of a better word) we cannot properly start. When somebody asks how we feel about sexuality, how do we answer? Do we use the iron age writings of what Germanicus said about our sexuality? Do we use the eddas? We don't even quite know precisely what we believe or what we think is best.

We need first a Thule society of the thinkers and the readers to scour what we know of the past, ponder what we know in the present and extrapolate it into the future. We are third position neither true right or true left, some old things make no sense and have no reason to continue, some new things are destructive and have no reason to be tried. Stasis is an insured and prolonged extinction.

>Then we can worry about real life interactions. (there's also the fact that i know there are at least 2 sweaty autists who browse /asatru/, and i dont particularly want to meet them.)

That's actually the point. The sweaty autists can be helped and pressured to work out and practice speaking, or failing that be shunned. So long as you know at least a majority of the group are what we need and so long as we carefully regulate the rate of people allowed into the culture to avoid "eternal september"/"endless summer" situations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September) we will be able to enforce necessary morēs by integration or exclusion.

>>9694

Yes, we should discuss our beliefs and get them completely organized before we start "converting" people (for lack of a better word). I say we should get 2-3 more people to discuss this with us, then start spreading our influence, per se.

>>9694

>>9696

This thread is already going in a better direction than the Asatru village thread.

I think the main reason why the Asatru village thread fell off in the first place is because the direction of the thread became focused on an absolutely gargantuan goal, without any short term intermediary baby step goals to provide direction, momentum and morale. Just "Drop everything and move to Europe!" Hel, towards the end of the thread, there was pie in the sky talk of doing modern viking raids.

I think a lot of people here will not be in a financial, or otherwise, position to move to Europe for awhile. Thus, the thread ended with probably most people concluding "well, that's a long ass way off, I guess we'll somehow all reconvene when we're all ready…. or something." and then proceeded to drift off due to being intimidated by the sheer scope of the final goal, and not having smaller measurable goals and support to keep them engaged.

In other words, the thread was trying to get people to do a decathlon, when most had not even learned to crawl yet.

If a big goal is to be accomplished, it needs to be broken down into smaller and measurable goals that can be kept track track of and checked off to denote progress and keeps spirits high.

Discussing things like codifying our beliefs and having tox meetups are good examples of smaller goals that can eventually build up to the prize in the distance.

Also, it would probably be a good idea to have a place for those who may not be able to move to Europe for a long time or maybe not ever, but can still play a contributing and supporting role.

>>9702

Those "village" threads are usually honeypots anyways, although I doubt that one was. The problem is with those threads is that not all of us can meet up as we all can't drop everything and drive even to another state, much less a continent. So, I propose we organize ourselves, spread our influence online, recruit people, and then we put larger plans into action. Do you have a Tox?

>>9702

>I think the main reason why the Asatru village thread fell off in the first place is because the direction of the thread became focused on an absolutely gargantuan goal

>I think a lot of people here will not be in a financial, or otherwise, position to move to Europe for awhile.

Interestingly enough I was the secondary contributor to that thread along with the OP. I thought me him and some others were doing a good job of working our way backwards from "first heathen state in 2000 years" to marking the checkpoints we'd need winding our way back to "we're a bunch of people on the internet, now what". We were hammering (heh) out how to actually GET people to europe when the thread devolved into AND THEN WE'LL INVADE SWEDEN, AND SOMALIA, AND THEN MAKE A SEASTEAD AND MUH /NAMIBIA/ batshittery. I would conclude it was those people who gave the project the same pie in the sky cancer that kills all the /namibia/s and /rhodesia/s and that one pacific island one.

>I think a lot of people here will not be in a financial, or otherwise, position to move to Europe for awhile.

Still, you can't deny the manifold logic for at least moving out of the states:

>The US is ZOG central and being a (usually national socialist) völkisch heathen is being as bad of a goyim as is possible

>The US has a history of nothing but christianity so most of the population only know backwards to their first settler ancestors (who were christians). There are an entire posts worth of issues that sprout from this one thing.

>The US was boxed into purely (((CIVIC NATIONALISM))) from the moment it first brought in negros to farm (it was there it doomed itself, in practice, to accepting them as citizens eventually), it has no racial character and the establishment of one could very well tear it apart (especially now that it has payed the price for aligning with judendom via the jewish-lead immigration acts of the 1960s).

>Even if it could be said to have a racial character it is "h'witeness" which is christian melting-pot we're-all-under-christ-so-what-does-it-matter-anyway theology applied to only europeans instead of the entire world. Less terrible but terrible still.

>We're following a religion whose othal is europe, whose gods are europeans, for european people in europe for european nations… You get the idea.

There was a reason it only took a few posts to shift focus to the home continent. Though our novel solution was having a shared business venture using our labour that existed purely to employ our fellows until they qualified for citizenship. Were it ever profitable beyond our expenses it would also serve as funding for new projects or expansion. But that is all a discussion for another day.

>>9704

>Those "village" threads are usually honeypots anyways, although I doubt that one was.

I am so beyond "le honeypot maymay so lets sit around and do nothing u guise". If I end up arrested I'll just write a book about my struggles from jail. I hear that works pretty well. :^)

> The problem is with those threads is that not all of us can meet up as we all can't drop everything and drive even to another state, much less a continent.

If not family, what binds a person that tightly?

>So, I propose we organize ourselves, spread our influence online, recruit people, and then we put larger plans into action.

/pol/ is an internet titan who still suffers from having no real-world presence… I don't disagree having ideological infrastructure is important but one warrior is worth a hundred keyboard warriors at the end of the day.

>Do you have a Tox?

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>>9709

Still, an online presence is a step in the right direction.

>>9710

>>9711

It would help if you were actually reachable on TOX. I accepted the invite but you weren't online.

I'll be on later, though.

>>9709

>If I end up arrested I'll just write a book about my struggles from jail. I hear that works pretty well. :^)

Lelled. Also lelled at invading Sweden; man, it's so easy for discussions to devolve so fast on the internet. We'll have to be careful not to see our 'Thule Society' see this fate.

Anyway, I agree with baby steps at first, definitely. I think that "converting" people is a fairly good first step, along with/after establishing our "dogma" as you said. I think that you're right in saying that there are a lot of right-minded people who are spiritually lost and could and should be stumbling into Asatru. I think that some relatively folkish Christians could even be converted, to be honest, Furthermore, in some alt-right/third-position/etc. groups on facebook I notice a surprising number of heathens can come out of the woodworks when relevant discussion is there. I don't think the "movement" is as Christian-dominated as I once thought it was, and this could be very useful for us.

Anyway, I'll be free later/tomorrow, and shall get back to this thread and take a look at Tox then.

>>9712

Sorry, I went to sleep right after I sent that. I'll be online today.

>>9721

Actually, I'll be on when I'm off work.

>>9704

>Do you have a Tox?

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I'm usually available during the evenings. I'll post my time zone during tox discussions and invites.

>>9730

>>9709

Solid, shall add you both.

Hello, where are the TOX users? :DDDDD

>>9650

I'm inclined to say that if you're at the very least 90% Germanic, you're in the clear.

Besides, the racial aspect is expected. If ancestral folk religions should accept anybody, what's the point of making it focused on folk?

The Africans have an indigenous religion, the Arabs had an indigenous religion, the Asians have and indigenous religion, etc.

If there's a non-white person who would ignore the ways of their ancestors and try to co-opt European folkways, that's betraying their folk.

t. ignorant ameriburger

>>9957

Not being perceived as a dead or quasi-dead board so that we have more presence, prestige and influence, and also attract new members by being an exciting and active place that matters.

>>9992

Ummm…. duh. We attract more traffic; our board ranking goes up; we get noticed more; which brings more traffic; which makes our board ranking go up more; which gets us noticed even more; which attracts more traffic…

In other words, a common sense snowball effect.

Currently our board is in the top 90 of the board list. If you look at the board list on the front page, you have to click "Displaying results 1 through 50 out of 9571. Click to load more" before you even see our page near the bottom of the next group. Imagine how much our traffic would increase if we were at least in the top 50 and a visitor to the site did not even have to click at all to see our board.

Honestly, we at least owe it to ourselves to get up past some of those top 50 boards for the sake of decency. For fuck's sake, stuff like Zoophilia and Adult Baby Diaper lover are up there.

>>10028

PS: Since you mentioned it I checked and we're board 74 as of the posting of this, a head above /islam/ and a full torso above /atheism/, the only religious boards above us are /christian/ and /christ/ which in a primary "white" space is still to be expected.

We're doing pretty good.

>>10028

>>10030

Fair enough. Though there was a time when /christian/ was actually within spitting distance of us before they shot up to the top 20. I hope we do eventually grow to the point that Heathenry takes it's rightful place as the director of The Occident.

Though great to know that we are at least ahead of the kebabs and fedoras.

E4BB9D26291A6BF531E75537A7479514273E8DFD10AE245DD0A8FDDB2F157D0423DF26DD89A1 is my to if any want to add me