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 No.8871

What is your opinion on Martin Heidegger and his spiritual world view /asatru/?

I've been trying to get into his work and determine whether he's more christian or pagan overall, he seems to have mixed the two together to the point where you couldn't even tell them apart anymore, a kind of extreme eurocentric pro-white reaffirming henotheism if you will

Also asatru philosophers general?

 No.8887

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>>8871

Are you retarded or something?


 No.8889

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>>8887

What? Reported, enjoy ban


 No.8898

>>8871

Do you have any sources?


 No.8900

>>8898

Sources for what?


 No.8911

There have been threads where he has been mentioned as a good influence on the movement and/or someone to seek out, but as of this moment, I myself am only familiar with him on a cursory level.

>>8898

>>8900

I think he probably wants you to post some examples of his work that gets your point across.


 No.8914

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When I think of Heathen/Pagan philosophers, the first name that pops into my head is Alain de Benoist:

http://www.othroerirkindred.com/resources/De_Benoist%20-%20On_Being_a_Pagan.pdf

Though as the following article articulates, some aspects of his attitudes towards the gods and the numinous in general, leaves me cold:

http://norse-mythology.org/book-review-pagan-alain-de-benoist/


 No.8915

>>8900

Recommended reading I mean. Heidegger is also huge in the New Right in Germany, so I might as well start with stuff that is also relevant for /asatru/.


 No.8944

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>>8911

>>8915

http://renegadetribune.com/wotanism-toward-an-existentialist-view/

"(…) Perhaps the most constructive and influential of the existentialists is Martin Heidegger (1889-1976). Heidegger did not accept the label “existentialist’, but considered himself an “ontologist” (one who studies Being). Nevertheless, Heidegger’s profound explorations into what it means to be a human in interaction with Reality not only fully qualify him as an existential philosopher, but mark him as possibly the greatest.

Heathen man, as best exemplified by the pre-Socratic Greeks, lived in a state of intimate connection with and deep awareness of Being, maintains Heidegger. This “Being”, he explains, is not merely Nature, but also the ground, basis, of Nature; it is the very power of things to emerge and endure. Heidegger refers to man’s creativity arising out of conscious connectedness with Being as spirit.

The source of man’s uneasiness with his own existence, his failure to be all he could be, is his enervated spirit, his “falling out of being”, his ever-growing preoccupation with the object of his environment, with things, with “Beings” rather than with the totality of Being, Heidegger terms this “forfeiture”.

European man’s estrangement from Being was given a specious respectability by Plato’s philosophy of dualistic idealism, which claimed that ‘real’ Reality was somewhere ‘up there’, away from the physical universe which was only an imperfect reflection of that ultimately true ‘Ideal’.

This schizophrenic dualism reached its epitome in organized Judeo-Christianity, whose centuries of mind-warping other-worldliness lingers on to confound us."


 No.8959

>>8944

Thank you for this article. It has given me much to mentally chew on and meditate about.


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>>8959

You are welcome, friend

Philosophy is an awesome thing indeed


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>>8871

>whether he's more christian or pagan overall

Heidegger is the most anti-Christian philosopher, beyond even Nietzsche, which makes sense as he is the heir of Nietzsche. The very essence of his thinking is through and through a repudiation of Christianity in all aspects.

MH has certainly not "mixed the two", and is no mere "pagan". You might consider Heidegger's thinking a pure atheism, devoid of semi-religious pretensions of modern atheism like that of Marx, indeed very much against that style.

What is the goal of that pure atheism? A pure racism, essentially, one that incorporates not only biological claims but also, more importantly, the historical component of human experience as a defining feature of collective consciousness: the Volk. So, Odin becomes once again meaningful not because he actually exists in the sky, but because he is Ours (identity politics).

Of course, Heidegger doesn't like to explain himself in superficial terms, understandably, so less experienced readers tend to be misled. And indeed, his experience in 1933/1934 led him to be permanently cynical about the possibility of this "pure atheism". Hence, the later Heidegger creates as a substitute what he calls "the Last/Ultimate god".

The Last/Ultimate god: all gods hitherto have been iterations of being, and the locale of this iteration are mortals. Hence, gods are expressions of certain peoples/Volk: of a people's Will to Power. Unlike all previous gods, the Last god is the god that is aware of being's eventuation…


 No.9162

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>>9155

Woah man


 No.9168

>>8871

>What is your opinion on Martin Heidegger and his spiritual world view /asatru/?

my opinion is that he cheated on his wife with his students, 2 of which were jewesses.

So based on his life choices I don't think his ideas amount to anything valuable.


 No.9170

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 No.9171

>>9170

are you denying what he did? It's in his biography, you can google it or wikipedia it.


 No.9174

>>9171

You do realize that "the personal is political" (i.e. if a person believes or does stuff I disagree with or is an asshole in their private life, completely disregard or outright ban their art/writings/thoughts/etc.) is a weapon of Cultural Marxism utilized to gut culture, right?

If you are morally disgusted Heideggar's private actions, fine, I am too. But to completely deny the significance of his work to philosophy because of his human weakness is naive at best, and outright malevolent at worst.

Should Mozart's music be stricken from the record because he had a scat fetish (or at least an extremely low brow sense of humor) in his private life? Should all copies of "The Portrait of Dorian Gray" be burned and forgotten simply because Oscar Wilde was a bisexual faggot?

The bottom line is that if you have a policy of disregarding a work, because it's author fucked up in their private life, due to the simple common sense fact that humans are humans and it's not a matter of if one will fuck up, but when: you are not going to have much left, if anything at all.

The fact that you blatantly employed such a common Marxist tactic makes >>9170 's accusation of you being a Jew or de facto Jew,possibly on point, unless you prove otherwise


 No.9204

>>9174

I don't find his ideas particularly unique or interesting enough to take them seriously first of all. If he had some remarkable and useful ideas I could make an exception

I don't see much value in his work and Being & Time reads like mostly incoherent gibberish anyway


 No.9207

>>9204

Lol:

>>9168

>"His ideas suck because of his private degeneracy."

>>9204

>"Well, even if private degeneracy doesn't automatically negate an individual's ideas, his ideas, in and of themselves, suck anyway, so there!"

https://youtu.be/tgbkN9vb__8?t=45s


 No.9211

>>9204

Okay, in retrospect, maybe my last post >>9207 was overly dismissive. But seriously, could you at least go into more detail about your critiques of Heidegger?

Just saying his work is "rubbish and unoriginal" is generic enough that it might as well amount to "Heidegger is a stupid poopy head because reasons."

Why is his work rubbish? Elaborate. Did you find his hyphenated words that attempt to fix the duality inherent in European languages as pretentious or obfuscating?

Why did you find his work unoriginal? For example: Do you think too much of his philosophy goes beyond being merely influenced by Nietzsche to the point of basically being repackaged and reheated Nietzsche?


 No.9216

>>9211

>elaborate

he just rehashed what the Greeks said using his own idiosyncratic jargon and fag speech.


 No.9219

>>9216

Alright, I can work with this. I'll do some rereading and see if this holds true.


 No.9222

>>9204

He just resaid what the greeks said

Being and time reads like incomprehensible rubbish

>>your bad at philosophy and probably by extension religion. Maybe you should just go.


 No.9234

>>9222

>"he just re-said what the Greeks said"

wrong

>>9216

"fag speech"

in a just world you wouldn't be allowed to invoke the name of the Greeks or Heidegger, you'd be executed for such idiotic trivialization.




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