No.7938
"Christian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism."
—Oswald Spengler
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No.7939
In Russia [Bolshevism] will be replaced by some new form of tsarism, the only possible system for a people living under such conditions. Most probably this tsarism will resemble the Prussian socialistic system more closely than capitalist parliamentarism. Yet the future of the unconscious forces of Russia lies not in the solution of political and social quandaries but in the imminent birth of a new religion, the third to emerge from the matrix of Christianity, just as Germanic-Western culture unconsciously conceived the second form of Christianity around 100 A.D. Dostoyevsky is one of the prophets of this new faith; it is as yet nameless, but it has already begun to enter with quiet, infinitely tender power.
For us citizens of the Western world, religion is finished. In our urban souls what was once true religiosity has long since been intellectualized to "problematics." The Church reached its fulfillment at the Council of Trent. Puritanism has turned into capitalism, and Pietism is now socialism. The Anglo-American sects represent merely the nervous businessman’s need for theological pastimes. There is no more repulsive spectacle than the attempted of certain Protestant groups to revivify the cadaver of religion by smearing it with bolshevist offal. The same thing has been tried with occultism and theosophy. And nothing is more deceptive than the hope that the future religion of Russian can stimulate a revival of religion in the West. There should no longer be any misunderstanding: with its hatred of state, science, and art, Russian nihilism is also directed against Rome and Wittenberg, whose spirit is present in all forms of Western culture and thus an integral part of what this nihilism aims to destroy. Russia will push this development aside and link up once again, by way of Byzantium."
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No.7941
>>7938
There's also a cosmopolitan undercurrent in early Christianity - it spread among the deracinated proles of the larger cities first, while the country side remained pagan for centuries. Human issues connected to living in cities include social alienation, the sundering of traditions, and out-of-control status signalling: the same issues that spurred the development of Marxism during the industrial revolution.
I'm convinced that Spengler was onto something, calling it the "grandmother of bolshevism". I've started calling it spiritual bolshevism, because where Marxist-Leninists leveraged material circumstances as the ennobling myth for the masses, Paul used the teachings of the Mystery Schools and their doctrine of 'being saved' to work the low self-esteem of the masses.
Imagine a world where elitism is the dominant order of society: the strong rise to the top of the social ladder, the brave shine in the military, the brilliant uphold the sacred arts. And way, way below them, on the level of the street and the catacombs, the masses, though fed and entertained, feel completely left behind in every respect. How tempting Pauline Christianity must be, preaching that none of all that matters once you're chosen because you believe, because you know about the one true faith that supercedes all the previous ones. It's no surprising that the powers-that-were jumped onto that as soon as they figured out what a powerful tool that is.
Tell the lowest of the low that they deserve to be on top, and voilà: a leftward ratchet that develops over centuries and parasitically feeds on a civilisation's very life-blood.
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No.7942
>>7941
Damn straight. This is a good analysis.
My question then, is this: why, if /pol/ is so against the idea of Communism and leftism, are they so blind to the fact that Christianity is as this anon describes?
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No.7944
>>7942
Short answer: For a time, in the early days of Christianity when it was more bound up with European custom, and the Heathen/Pagan worldview, it worked.
In the short term, not only did it work, but it has taken a looooooooong time for the negative aspects to truly manifest. In fact, you could liken Christianity's effect on the West as steroid abuse: in the early period, their were quick and massive gains , but now the ball shrinkage, acne, rage episodes, and heart palpitations have begun.
/pol/lacks and other traditionalist minded Christians basically zero in on this aforementioned early period as being representative of what Christianity is, without paying attention to the big picture.
In other words, they miss the long term state of Europa for the "Muh Cathedrals!"
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No.7945
>>7942
You are generalizing. There are those of us us who know the faultiness and corruption in christianity.
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No.7946
>>7942
A tiny part of /pol/'s Christians are traditional Catholics or Orthodox who believe they can turn the development of their faith around, and return to a more sane period. They essentially like a Christianity that is now attacked by fundamentalists on the same board for being un-Christian.
I think they're weary of completely leaving behind Christianity because they sense it was one of the last institutions to fall to modernism, and to leave it behind is to be completely naked in a dying culture.
Which is a pretty good reason, but I think that the last institution to fall was the family, so we should make our stand there instead. Whether you strengthen the family and its community through Christianity or paganism is of secondary importance to me.
The more zealous Christians of /pol/ are cretinous cargo-culters who have fallen for a dozen or so cheap occult traps hook line and sinker, and think they got the history of mankind figured out. No you don't understand, we were the real jews all along! papists didn't completely eradicate pagan culture because they're secret demon worshipers!
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No.7947
>>7946
>I think that the last institution to fall was the family, so we should make our stand there instead
Reminds me of this:
>Sister Lucia, the Fatima visionary, one day said to Cardinal Caffarra: “Father, there will come a time when Satan’s decisive battle with Christ will be over marriage and the family”.
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No.7948
>>7942
A lot of them fall into a Jewish created false dichotomy, at least when they are trying to defend their beliefs most of them will lean on muh synagogue of satan and the origin of 'kike' that justify their adherence to Christianity.
Mostly completely ignoring the fact that heresies within one religion have accused one another since time immemorial of being of the 'devil'. Just because one Hillel pharisee rabbi called the Shammai Pharisees the Synagogue of Satan (literally "Gathering of the Adversary"), doesn't mean everything he says is true. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend, my friends are.
An other portion of them are simply posing crusader LARPers like a lot of viking worshiping 'pagans'. There might be a big overlap with them and those that fall into the Kike Dialectic. I'll give the devout the benefit of the doubt though, there are some who sincerely adhere to Christianity and are probably just as much annoyed with posers as we are with ours.
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No.7953
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No.11040
>>7939
Orthodox Christianity already exists…. What "new religion" is on the horizon? I'm genuinely curious what you think is developing.
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No.11041
>>7946
>Which is a pretty good reason, but I think that the last institution to fall was the family, so we should make our stand there instead. Whether you strengthen the family and its community through Christianity or paganism is of secondary importance to me.
In that sense, what do you think of the economic model of Distributism? It has roots in traditional Catholicism, but the primary belief is that the most atomic unit in society is the family, not the individual.
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No.12093
>>7938
"Spenglerian theology is the grandmother of Bolshevism."
—Oward Anon
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No.12562
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No.13148
>>12093
Spendlerian autism is the waifu of shitlordism
t. Anonwald Spergler
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No.13165
Yeah, that Christian theologian Karl Marx sure was a great, great Christian and not in any way (((something entirely different))).
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No.13176
>>13165
>Implying christians, jews, communists and muslims aren't all heads of the same foul beast.
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No.13177
>>7942
Communism isn't Christian, though. There was a similar redistribution of resources in Acts, when the apostles had a small community of Christians. But everyone gave their belongings willingly, without governmental obligation. That, and nobody held means of production that could be seized or controlled in any way. Calling Communism Christian is a silly meme. Especially when over 80% of the Bolsheviks were Jews, and nearly all Communist states in the present day and in the past have had state policies of atheism and heavily persecuted Christians.
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No.15202
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