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 No.19439

Do you believe in the gods as influential materially existing deities, or do you just value the ethics/worldview of Germanic (or other PIE) religion?

Have there been any books attempting to comb through different pre-Christian European religions and distill all the ideas contained therein about how we should live in the world as individuals/families/societies?

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 No.19442

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>>19439

I understand that there are 9 worlds, that I can count. I know that there are Aesir and yes also accept that the Vanir still exist though I would have wished that first war the Aesir outright won. For a concise book on "how we should live" I suggest reading Germania by Tacitus, in the original Latin to prevent misrepresentation. Tacitus may label the Germanics with many honors but there are some choice parts where he doesn't, which the observant reader should ponder on, as these seem to be reoccurring weaknesses which hits the Germanic race.

"Of lending money on interest and increasing it by compounding interest they know nothing, a more effectual safeguard than if it was prohibited."

"If you indulge their love of drinking by supplying them with as much as they desire, they will be overcome by their own vices as easily as by the arms of an enemy."

"No one distinguishes between an acquaintance and a stranger, as regards the rights of hospitality. It is usual to give the departing guest whatever he may ask for, and a present in return is asked with as little hesitation. They are greatly charmed with gifts, but they expect no return for what they give, nor feel any obligation for what they receive."

I'll leave it up to you on whether learning about compounding interest should be mandatory as our enemies have routinely exploited this weakness, among the others.

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 No.19495

Yes, the gods are actual spiritual entities. If we did not believe this we would be no better than glorified atheists. I think the denial of the actual existence of the divine among some pagans helps fuel LARPing accusations. Whether the gods existence in precisely the form described in agent stories though is another question altogether

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 No.19513

>>19439

>>19442

>>19495

The ancient gods used physical weapons, physical vehicles, had physical needs, could be physically hurt, and had sex with humans (which produced offspring). This is all described in ancient texts. So, does that sound like spirits to you?

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 No.19515

>>19513

>implying powerful spiritual beings don't have the ability to assume a material form if they so choose

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 No.19516

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>>19513

>>19515

What is Grimnismal.

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 No.19533

>>19515

Why would a 'powerful spiritual being' need to assume a physical form? And what exactly is a 'spiritual being' anyway?

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 No.19534

>>19533

>Why would a 'powerful spiritual being' need to assume a physical form?

Does it need a reason to if it is capable of doing so?

>And what exactly is a 'spiritual being' anyway?

A being that does not have a material form. Would you expect the gods to made up of actual physical matter like you and me? Obviously not

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 No.19539

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>>19533

Giants have never needed a reason. That's why they must be hammered back into place. Be weary, for Giants come in many forms like in Grottasongr, always inquire into their race, unlike Frodi.

8. "Thou wast not, Frodi for thyself over-wise,

or a friend of men, when thralls thou boughtest;

for strength thou chosest them, and for their looks,

but of their race didst not inquire." -Grottasongr

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 No.19699

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ffs eveyone in this thread are zelous larpers. Imagine not understanding the deeper metaphysical truths within the stories, and instead do like the christians and take them literally like some peasants and þrælar. This is what happens when you read translations instead of reading the actual source in the original language.

The gods are higher kennings that we can only understand with referenceable characters and personifications of said concepts. The stories are written in a way so that we can better understand the deeper underlying Truth behind the inner workings of the world through allegories. These higher Laws/Patterns are expressed in the physical world in the things we see and feel, the physical; That is the physical aspect of the stories. However, that is only so that we can have a baseline for reference when we experience Divine Revelations and experience the Higher; we can then grasp the metaphysical through the physical expressions.

This is why Óðinn hangs on Yggdrasil, the world tree, for nine days and nights, sacrifices himself to himself, falls down screaming and then comes to understand Esoteric Knowledge. The pattern is similar to Childbirth, not because it is Childbirth like some of Vargians like to say, but because the Higher State of Rebirth functions similarily but in a metaphysical manner; it's not that you literally see a tree (or teh placenta!!1!1), but this Movement of falling down this Tree and being Reborn feels similar.

Ever since the conversion of Christianity, and even more so after the reformation, people have been obsessed with the existential question of the Divine. Not only is this spiritually bankrupt, materialism masqerating itself as religion, but it muddles the water of Truth. Instead of trying to understand the Kennings, decipher the Higher Principles presented in the myths, peasants now get a say in how we interpret the myts. To peasants and slaves, the sun is the charriot of Sunna ("the gods are spiritual entities duuuuud"), bringing it to the level of normal spirits ("they are just larger spirits duuuuud"). Religion turns into superstion. In the same manner, naturalists go in the other end just say that the trees and stones are the gods ("gods are just allegories for those physical things duuuud, all Challenges of Heros were placentas duuuuud"), and unknowingly turn into same peasants when they criticize.

Stop caring about existential questioning (aka, the modern connotation of beliving), and just be Truthful (as in the term our ancesters used: Trú. Truth, loyalty, trust). The people of old were Truthful to the gods, the relationship built on mutual loyalty and through that propelling yourself upwards spiritually. If you asked them in whether they belived in the Gods, in the framing we put it today, they either wouldn't get what you were saying or laugh at you. And remember, the first nordic converts into christianity were mostly slaves and kings who wanted more better slaves, take that as you will.

So, everyone, stop being such filty peasants. But if the principles of Rígsþula can be applied, then I can safely say that you won't, and that you will always be Drumbar judging by some of the shite I read here.

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