/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>18103

I don't think Sam has ever spoken on his religious viewsor his religious upbringing. Varg may have a nice family and all but on his religious views he doesn't even believe in the existence of anything supernatural.

Now what about this guy, he was born in the UK and just started practicing?

STJ is definitely one

>>18107

>varg has few religious views and is basically an atheist and probably a moral relativist and doesn't understand the transcendent

yes so he is pagan. full blown, full blooded.

>>18115

Is this a Christian shill or something?

>>18128

Does it matter, if the poster was White?

>>18130

good point.

>>18115

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>>18133

Who let /christ/ in here?

>>18152

Under your watch your kind turned an insignificant desert tribe into the controllers of the world, despite according to you it happened another way but funny your book also dictates that during the ending of the world there will still be jews by your own prophecy, you cannot get rid of the jew. No mention of my race surviving until then according to your prophecy though.

>>18152

I see the Christians here still lack any self awareness

>>18180

>>Show me where in the bible race mixing is encouraged?

It doesn't have to be encouraged only accepted and the slow decline will do the rest.

>>It's also interesting because many of the mystery religion secret societies/sects are pagan based.

Not that the Jews/Freemasons have secret societies. The White Christian attitude to blame everything on the White "pagans" is an old denouncement, it hasn't worked because Christians as a force never attack the Jews and your problem still exists.

>>doesn't mean they worship the same god

How do you know? Perhaps they are the same but you're just the golem to this deity whereas the jews the actual chosen get the benefits by using you and their deity praises this.

>>The Catholics are in league with secret societies

Think back to Martin Luther, he saw that the jews abounded all of high society around him and with the help of other Germans made it so that the peasants themselves could discover for themselves using the Bible and denounce these hidden jews. I see him as a hero of the Germanic people and it is only Protestants who write about the ancient Germanic Gods in any useful sense. He also kept all the Germanic languages from becoming romanticized by printing his bible in a common German and when Protestantism spread each language was able remain, such a thing hadn't happened since Arians had done a similar thing more than a millenia earlier. I not against the writing, its just not my source material for how the world works.

>>that's ironically a Jewish defense

Use whatever you can to attack the jews. Go tell your pastor and speak to the congregation on the jews and their ways and how they must be converted, now. If you get your congregation to act against a Synagogue, you will be charged and this has been the case throughout all of Christendom. If you can't get them to act and either sulk or remain unconvinced their heat will be lost and they'll go back to doing their own thing. There has been many "Heretic" Christians throughout Medieval Europe who attacked the jews and always are made an example of by the powers that be.

>>that doesn't mean that only jews will exist

True the jews need their shabbos until they are delivered. The shabbos goy doesn't need to be smart or have a history, merely that of serving jews.

>>Canaanites are included in a list of nations to exterminate

Inter-Semitic struggles, the jews are very precise in how everything should be believed. Canaanites were sons of Abraham and just like those who followed Moses became jews once they accepted the Commandments and the teachings of Rabbis, all the other Semites could. They look out for their own.

>>you'd know you're assumption is wrong

And you know you're assumption is correct because it was taught to you and is considered canonical. There is no mortal authority you can go to know if that'd be the absolute truth in its understanding, all you can have is faith.

>>how Marching to Zion differentiates between Jews and Christians

Of course it does. Jews don't want to be considered Christians, its always been a fraud to them but still a very useful tool.

>>Shekhinah

Sarcasm: Maybe its the real deal if enough Pastors say it.

I don't purport to be an expert on Judaism and the whole OT mysticism. Its obviously something jews want goys to say, so its probably not good for them, the whole willing slave thing.

>>you go to church to worship

And jews go to make deals in the Synagogue, the Romans knew this thousands of years ago and thought it debased according to Tacitus. I maintain you don't know what you're worshiping because it wasn't from you but given to you.

>>"love your enemies"

Jews say the same thing, you can even find jews explaining how they've never hurt anyone but its all self defense, yet they've won so much. If you have enemies and want to love them for some reason you don't lie to them, you tell them the plain truth of where they stand with you and what you will do against them.

>>that doesn't mean we should let our imaginations control what we believe of them

You're already doing that, Christians for centuries have been reaching around in the bible for whatever they can find for whatever purpose they want. Sure they'll trust more in a past respected Theologian or Pope than anyone but its always the Jews themselves who know the Christian mythology better. If not then, White Christians would not always be thrall to them since their conversion.

>>18180

>>Christianity =/= Judaism

Of course it isn't the same, Jews would never grant the goy anything. You're the unclean beasts to them, you believe in the same power but that power itself has different covenants with both of you. I guess you've never heard of a higher power lying to lower mortals for his own benefit to someone's determent? No, because that'd go against their whole hierarchy.

No matter what you do as a Christian to the jews, your children or grandchildren as Christians will lie prostrated before them apologizing and giving concessions, which will never be enough for them, and this always happens because they have ascended the literary reigns which you bite into. It isn't just a question to translate the bible into German and have the folk read to their folk to find the truths themselves because of the controlled Catholic Church. It is a question as to whether the Semitic like thinking of yourself can be predicted by the jews. If so then you have a predator on you which knows your moves and you're probably doing things in the same ways as prey before you has. The jews are well practiced in this slaughter. The jews have made you afraid to speak to the Aesir but instead trust only in the meaning you can get from the written text of ethnic jews.

>>18184

>that video

Varg also says that whites are not superior.

>It doesn't have to be encouraged only accepted and the slow decline will do the rest.

Then it's not a religious problem, because the bible leaves this standard open to you. You guys have such a weak ideas of what Christianity is, love doesn't mean you limit what is acceptable.

>Not that the Jews/Freemasons have secret societies.

They also fall into that group, that is why many Christians are against Catholicism.

>No matter what you do as a Christian to the jews, your children or grandchildren as Christians will lie prostrated before them apologizing and giving concessions

>it hasn't worked because Christians as a force never attack the Jews and your problem still exists.

>There has been many "Heretic" Christians throughout Medieval Europe who attacked the jews and always are made an example of by the powers that be.

>but its always the Jews themselves who know the Christian mythology better.

>White Christians would not always be thrall to them since their conversion.

Judiams =/= Christianity.

>How do you know?

Because of the Kabbalah belief i showed you.

>Perhaps they are the same but you're just the golem to this deity whereas the jews the actual chosen get the benefits by using you and their deity praises this.

I showed you why i know they're worshiping a different God, unless you can find something wrong with my information then it's correct. If I'm wrong, then show me why, but don't try to use speculation to negate it.

>Go tell your pastor and speak to the congregation on the jews and their ways and how they must be converted, now.

Conversion is a good idea.

>True the jews need their shabbos until they are delivered.

The Jewish endgame and the Christian game oppose each other.

>once they accepted the Commandments and the teachings of Rabbis, all the other Semites could. They look out for their own.

Except they didn't accept or follow the commandments, that is why they killed Christ, and why they still don't follow him or the NT. Judaism distinctly rejects Christ.

>And you know you're assumption is correct because it was taught to you and is considered canonical.

Regardless if you don't believe in anything, In the context of Judaism and Christianity, the Jews are not the Chosen people in the bible (NT), even if Judaism is completely wrong.

>here is no mortal authority you can go to know if that'd be the absolute truth in its understanding, all you can have is faith.

We're not talking about if God is real not. Even if both religions are wrong, they still have key differences.

>its always been a fraud to them but still a very useful tool.

>>but instead trust only in the meaning you can get from the written text of ethnic jews.

How? Christianity as a lot of history that has effect them, so i don't agree with that notion, you may as well say Nazism was a useful tool as well.

https://www.washingtoncitypaper.com/columns/straight-dope/article/20847401/does-martin-luther-bear-some-responsibility-for-the-holocaust

>And by the 1930s at least, the Nazis were well aware of Luther's anti-Semitic work and used it to justify their actions. On the Jews and Their Lies was displayed prominently in a glass case during the Nuremberg rallies, and Nazi bigwigs regularly cited Luther as a kindred spirit. “No judgment could be sharper,” Heinrich Himmler said of Luther's writings against the Jews; “With Luther,”

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>Maybe its the real deal if enough Pastors say it.

I doesn't matter if you believe it or not, the point is that it's a different God.

>I maintain you don't know what you're worshiping because it wasn't from you but given to you.

Do you worship humans?

>If you have enemies and want to love them for some reason you don't lie to them, you tell them the plain truth of where they stand with you and what you will do against them.

Love doesn't mean to be a door mat. The bible would agree with you.

>Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.

>You're already doing that

I don't care what you think about the spiritual entities i follow. You keep making the same attempt to use fearful speculation to drive a false point.

>You're the unclean beasts to them, you believe in the same power but that power itself has different covenants with both of you.

Can you prove this? Do you really think indirect worship is something i didn't consider?

>I guess you've never heard of a higher power lying to lower mortals for his own benefit to someone's determent? No, because that'd go against their whole hierarchy.

You mean spiritually dangerous magic that humans can practice, which is theosophy, which leads to another Global government.

>to their folk to find the truths themselves because of the controlled Catholic Church

Catholicsm =/= Christianity

>It is a question as to whether the Semitic like thinking of yourself can be predicted by the jews.

If the bible or God is false then there would be no point in following it. Clearly it looks like a trap to you who doesn't believe in God. Just like the people who think they're liberated by hedonism.

>you're probably doing things in the same ways as prey before you has.

Sooo much speculative assumeptions in your words that automatically assumes you're correct. Also the Jews are not the only group out there trying to enslave the world.

>The jews have made you afraid to speak to the Aesir

Did you see the recent MTV VMAs? Bad music aside, this is a popular mainstream event, and they're giving worship to Egyptian pagan gods. So it's not fear, just understanding of what is better, in the same way i don't use a cross walk with fear.

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>>18107

But that's wrong, he clearly has stated his belief in reincarnation, and collective consciousness. Also he has spoken about his spiritual/ divine experiences, and is subscribed to a channel about haunted houses(4 real).

>>18110

This, if I ever chose one (I won't)

>>18163

>jews study and believe in Torah

Orthodox rabbinic Judaism eschews the primacy of the Old Testament for the 70 faggots around Moses' inner circle and their oral teachings, the Talmud and Zohar. This is the enemy.

Judaism is not monotheistic. Elohim is plural. They worship a God from this set which created them in particular. The creation of the goyim and the 1 world religion is about destroying the other competing Elohim through destruction of their worship. To the extent this involved war against indigenous European religions, this was indeed thoroughly Pharisaical.

The New Testament, Christ et. al. are monotheistic, and the appropriate understanding prior to the 19th century & Scofield Bible's commentary was Jews = Christ-killing pharisees, and supercessionism – New Covenant means New Covenant. The roots of this do go back to Egypt (which, if the DNA sampling of the Pharohs is any indication, lilly white.) The mystical miscegenation perceived is more Canaan/Babylon (on the Pharisee vector) tainting of the Egyptian cosmology than anything intrinsic to Christianity as such, which is in opposition to the Sumerian schema which the jews synchretized with. See the Hyksos theory, except where contemporary jews fled from wherever towards Sinai, and not from Egypt to it; and Ahkenaten's elder priest brother Thutmoses going into Sinai kickstarts what we see today, together with the demonology picked up in Babylon/Canaanite paganism. His position as a priest of Ptah moreover is why Masonry kow-tows to Jewish interests, as the god of architects and teacher of Imhotep. This is also the putative origin of Western hermeticism, as against Zohar/Kabbala which is more likely of Canaanite/Babylonian origin.

That said, Neo-Platonism is essentially Indo-European and the basis of the Church through the present, though the gnosticis was perhaps closer to pagan grass roots. The emphasis on Original Sin and Old Testament elements is a corruption, though it would appear that at the highest levels of the Roman Catholic church, the Mithras & and Imperial cults were retained.

The past is indelible, but pagan/christian relations ought to be fine in the absence of the non-Egyptian, non-European Semitic elements in the later which are alien to it. There are bigger fish to fry.

>>18424

>>Judaism is not monotheistic.

Ten commandments? Oh I bet you'll say jews don't follow them or w/e, I'd disagree those commandments were given to jews to be exercised by jews upon jews. In Christianity the jews just see the usefulness in promoting them for the goyim to follow, such as not having idols which does little damage in the jews society but when applied to a society which didn't grow with that premise means it must destroy its own history and follow a new one.

>>Elohim is plural.

I have no understanding of Hebrew but transliterations from one language to another especially if it isn't from the same ancestral root means nothing towards its meaning, its like finding a word ending with"s" in Latin and then state it must be plural. Further I even know the Christian apologetics angle you'll be leading to with it. Its the whole before Christ, every cultural around the world followed a form of "judaism" but now because Christ all those ways are invalid, "the real jews are the pagans" mentality.

>>The roots of this do go back to Egypt

No the Aryan has been fighting this poisonous monotheism even earlier with Zoroastrianism. The monotheism idea has been tried 4 times already and always brings with it miscegenation, the collapsing of castes, and finally collapse of the right of the King into republicanism. It started happening in India some 2500 years ago, with the change into "Shaivism" and the killing or deriding of the all the powers you could easily find cognates with in the greater Aryan faith.

For instance Indra in Rigveda is Odin but post Shaivism he's a hedonist always drunk, his son Vali who in the Norse is also called Vali after Rigveda dies to his younger brother understood to be Vishnu, which makes no sense in the Norse case since Vali is already the youngest son and that's also true in the Rigveda but not after it. The most striking is none of the racism found throughout the Rigveda continues on in Shaivism, yes there are "castes" but practically there are so many stories of intermarriages and "love" that it becomes basically financial classifications. Then Kali, who's main weapons are a bowl and knife, only one power in all of the Germanic stories have a similar visual, Hel. Who do you think is changing such things? Its before jews/Christians and to far away for Egyptians, my only guess is its what's left of the totally not racist Aryans and all their mulatto offspring. Further whats understood to be "Hinduism" then begins to spread beyond its borders through this monotheistic reinterpretation even bolstered soon after with the creation of Buddhism.

>>at the highest levels of the Roman Catholic church, the Mithras & and Imperial cults were retained

Whatever of that kind of idea lived through the Medieval Ages died in the Industrial Age, before urbanization you could easily have some kind of weird Christianity that'd easily look like "paganism" to a modern Christian. One perfect example is charms where the older pagan form has survived along with a Christian version and its usually just a simple word replacement of the Aesir to just Christ. A commoner wouldn't know its pagan basis back then but now no Internet-able Christian would say such a thing but instead default to Psalms. All those little things add up overtime as the children forget these small things of their real heritage and happen into a pristine biblical worldview. With such a worldview they are easy prey to the jews who live in it and become beholden for the jews to explain to them to true meaning of its purely jewish characteristics.

>>pagan/christian relations ought to be fine

This is only said because there is no Christian Hegemony right now, it has no basis in Christian theology or history. Once the government establishes Christianity pagans lose property rights and over time become completely not under the law. I'm not saying such a thing to elicit guilt because I hate seeing guilt in upstanding Whites but it must be said to show how it'd work out again, it'd work the same way if Muslims took over a pagan place.

The only way to fight derivatives of Zoroastrianism is to do what the Aryan priest of old did by gathering as much of the faithful folk as they could and migrating as far away as possible before their racial lines fall into the abyss as what always happens to those monotheists.

>>18424

>which, if the DNA sampling of the Pharohs is any indication, lilly white.

WE

>>18433

>>tfw your European ancestors killed and denounced the office of their own Kings

It takes the whole "we wuz" to a new realm, at least the many non-white Kingdoms around the world or ancient Kingdoms lost their Kings/Emperors after losing in a military conflict. But only under Christianity was such a great usurping allowed where Christ became understood as the King of all and everyone and the office of Earthly Kings in time lost their weight. Primarily because a priest in the Pope asserted power over a King which should be heavily denounced, Barbarosa knew what was at stake and heavily fought any inroads to it but only a moment of weakness was needed for Liberal Democracy to take root.

There must always be King and Kin, no other classifications need exist.

>>18440

I was watching a documentary the other day on youtube where it was basically all of Clovis's fault. His whole army of Germanic warriors, fighting with Thor in their hearts to win the battle, so then Clovis says, "oh, we won, it was totally the power of Jesus," and so Clovis was a fuckhead after that and that's how Europe became Christian.

>>18441

From what I've come to understand its a bit more complicated but you'll only get hints from the monks on what's truly going on. Clovis primarily wanted the land of the Arian Kingdoms around him but pagans attacking Christians in that sort of way would have caused to many alliances against him so he chose Trinitarianism and then sought to take those lands for religious reasons with Roman support.

Now how truly Arian were those surrounding kingdoms and how immediately Christian was he? Who knows, everyone had a dog in the fight at that time. The Franks whose history is the only surviving one, wouldn't say those Gothic kingdoms were pagan in any way because that'd mean other non-Catholic Christians would attack trying to escape the Franks from attacking them by being allied against paganism. As well overnight the Franks became completely Christian preventing any team up against themselves for attacking. Perhaps Clovis was such a super Christian convert that when his first son was baptized and died and then the second son got very sick and all done by his wife as well who baptized them without his permission meant nothing to him. His Roman naysayers of course just said it was because he had to much of the devil in his line.

For Language and Religion who knows what the common Frank had in those days but as Charles Martel made certain the Germanic belief that the King is above the Priest remained. Such as when the Pope calls for his aid against the Lombards and he ignores it because he wants a Pope that he can control which the Franks under Charlemagne finally get for a time in Pope Leo III. This is continued by any King who has enough power over Rome such as in Barbarossa, this whole warfare culminates into Protestantism where the Germanic Lords see that they don't need to be beholden to the whims of priests anymore. The only problem is that where this would have worked perfectly as it did with their ancient pagan ancestors it wouldn't under Christianity because Jesus can just be their King. This brings about a whole kind of Democracy/Republicanism in "Why should I listen to the King? Jesus is the one who judges after all, the Earthly King is just a mortal pompous Caesar", its now even taken the office of the Pope because he's so anti-White. This all stands in stark contrast with "a man must stand by his master until one of the two are dead", so either you die in service of the good King or challenge the bad King to become King yourself. There is only Führer and Volk.