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 No.15104

I've recently been reading pic related.

I know vidya is degenerate, but while playing Medieval 2 Total War I couldn't help but find the idea of a warrior monotheism interesting if not appealing. Help me come back to the paganpill guys.

My views right now:

Early Christianity provided a parrallel society in a time when the Roman world was dying. This is very similar to today's left and right political movements (which are both religions if evaluated.)

Modern Christianity is literal jew worship + humanism.

However, Medieval Catholicism was basically a blend of European ideals and semitic ones.

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 No.15107

The greatest distinction between Early Christianity and Modern Christianity is that Early Christians didn't read the damn Bible. The Knights of yore you find yourself enamored with were European in blood, not Christian. It were European morals that they were upholding. . Do you think knighthood and chivalry would have flourished in a Christian Africa?

Monotheism is a far more malignant cancer than most realize. Those Knights pledged their lives to YHWH without understanding exactly what it was. They truly have nothing to do with him - their honor was their own and not YHWH's. Abrahamic Monotheism demands the total destruction of all other Gods, including all cultural expressions of reverie given to them, including that all too European/pagan honor code that your knights upheld. We saw this when Early Christian mobs defaced (Literally) Ancient Roman statues - removing their noses and carving crosses into them. You need to realize that pre-Christian European faiths all had value, each one, and the YHWH of the Bible demands you completely erase them from the face of the earth.

On an unrelated topic, I am furious that this board is exclusive to all other pre-Christian faiths. What a stupid thing to do, putting yourself in a corner like that.

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 No.15108

>>15107

Thank you for this reply

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 No.15111

>>15104

>I know vidya is degenerate

Nobody is claiming this, much of vidya can be degenerate yes, but a lot is good positive propaganda for European identity.

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 No.15121

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>>15107

>The greatest distinction between Early Christianity and Modern Christianity is that Early Christians didn't read the damn Bible.

In core issue is that you refuse to accept that Christianity is anything but the ugly strawman that people like Varg have propped up. You find the most subverted manifestations of the Church and bring attention to it, because you fear the real truth

>The Knights of yore you find yourself enamored with were European in blood, not Christian. It were European morals that they were upholding.

It's absurd to imply that being Christian makes you non-European. Additionally the mission of the Church is both universal and particular, and its particularity can be seen in spiritualizing European values. Even the warring spirit of the Teuton became holy.

>Do you think knighthood and chivalry would have flourished in a Christian Africa?

Perhaps, it would depend on the tribe

>Monotheism is a far more malignant cancer than most realize. Those Knights pledged their lives to YHWH without understanding exactly what it was. They truly have nothing to do with him - their honor was their own and not YHWH's.

Fortunately we know exactly what those men believed, you should take a look at the writings of St. Bernard of Clairvaux

>Abrahamic Monotheism demands the total destruction of all other Gods, including all cultural expressions of reverie given to them, including that all too European/pagan honor code that your knights upheld. We saw this when Early Christian mobs defaced (Literally) Ancient Roman statues - removing their noses and carving crosses into them. You need to realize that pre-Christian European faiths all had value, each one, and the YHWH of the Bible demands you completely erase them from the face of the earth.

Christianity, unlike Islam and Judaism, is transformative rather than destructive. While I think iconoclasm is not the way to express that, you can't deny that the Church didn't reparate. For every statue that was defaced we created ten more, of greater beauty than before, the sacred groves gave way to cathedrals, and so on. Islamization is usually synonymous with Arabization but Christianization on the other hand attempts to work through the world's cultures, not against them.

http://www.newmanreader.org/biography/ward-genius/lecture1.html

>Scripture bears us out in saying [he writes], that from the beginning the Moral Governor of the world has scattered the seeds of truth far and wide over its extent; that these have variously taken root, and grown up as in the wilderness; wild plants indeed but living; and hence that, as the inferior animals have tokens of an immaterial principle in them, yet have not souls, so the philosophies and religions of men have their life in certain true ideas, though they are not directly divine. What man is amid the brute creation, such is the Church among the schools of the world; and as Adam gave names to the animals about him, so has the Church from the first looked round upon the earth, noting and visiting the doctrines she found there. She began in Chaldea, and then sojourned among the Canaanites, and went down into Egypt, and thence passed into Arabia, till she rested in her own land. Next she encountered the merchants of Tyre, and the wisdom of the East country, and the luxury of Sheba. Then she was carried away to Babylon, and wandered to the schools of Greece. And wherever she went, in trouble or in triumph, still she was a living spirit, the mind and voice of the Most High; 'sitting in the midst of the doctors both hearing them and asking them questions;' claiming to herself what they said rightly, correcting their errors, supplying their defects, completing their beginnings, expanding their surmises, and thus gradually by means of them enlarging the range and refining the sense of her own teaching. So far then from her creed being of {14} doubtful credit because it resembles foreign theologies, we even hold that one special way in which Providence has imparted divine knowledge to us has been by enabling her to draw and collect it together out of the world, and, in this sense, as in others, to 'suck the milk of the Gentiles and to suck the breast of kings.' [Note 7]

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 No.15122

Up until the bible was translated into vernacular speech during the protestant reformation, allowing people were able to understand what they were reading/listening to, Christianity assumed the form of whatever was politically convenient to the church/monarch at any specific time and place.

>Medieval 2 Total War

Great game

>I couldn't help but find the idea of a warrior monotheism interesting if not appealing

It is interesting, but not appealing. Blood and soil are more important than an arbitrary moral framework.

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 No.15129

>>10278095

Ye ye, we all heard the rhetoric that the demon-(((God))) YHWH of the Old Testament is somehow representative of Truth. You wanna try justifying the abject Kikery displayed in Exodus alone?

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 No.15130

>>15129

Wtf, this post is meant for

>>15121

Also, allow me to bring up the fact that unlike many who share my sentiments regarding Christianity, I'm not opposed to the Christ figure. However, I feel like the Bible's depiction of Jesus as not only being a Jew but a Rabbi as well, is false. Basically I see all of the Old Testament and most of the New as trash, with a little truth mixed like the whipping of the Jews at the Temple for instance. It would be fair to say that my rejection of Christianity stems directly from my anti-Semitism.

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 No.15214

What you call modern christianity is not christian in any sense of the word.

What used to be called Christendom was a civilization atop three pillars: the Graeco-Roman legacy, the traditions of the northern peoples, and Christianity. Every one of them essential.

Every one shat upon today.

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 No.15219

>>15121

>In core issue is that you refuse to accept that Christianity is anything but the ugly strawman that people like Varg have propped up. You find the most subverted manifestations of the Church and bring attention to it, because you fear the real truth

Are you saying that almost every church on this earth, except perhaps some elements within the Orthodox church and some Christian Identitarian groups, are not openly promoting multiculturalism, universalism and racemixing?

Because that seems to be the default position of almost every Christian group on this earth, and something which is ""pardon my christcuck talk" satanic to every true Germanic.

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 No.15228

Are you really that weak-willed that you get swayed from your religion, supposedly a serious matter, because you like the aesthetics of another one in a very specific time period on a fictional setting? Really nigger?

>Early Christianity provided a parrallel society in a time when the Roman world was dying. This is very similar to today's left and right political movements (which are both religions if evaluated.)

Christianity only ever got relevant in Rome after Constantine, and until Theodosius came in, it basically was restricted to the Levant and the city of Rome itself. 90% as in of its territorial extension werent christian until its adoption as the state religion.

If you're talking about REALLY early christianity, that shit was for the jews, not the pagans. Pagans already had the golden principle consacreted in their moral fiber, which was Jesus' mains teaching.

>>15107

This is pretty accurate. Most christians at the time just listened to what their priest told them and assumed that was the word of Christ. Sometimes it was true, sometimes it wasn't.

That's how germanic christianity came into existance, basically priests implementing taqiya on the germans.

But let's not overly simplify things, by the low middle ages, which was the period where the knights had the most prevalence, the christians of the time werent crypto-pagans anymore.

>We saw this when Early Christian mobs defaced (Literally) Ancient Roman statues - removing their noses and carving crosses into them. You need to realize that pre-Christian European faiths all had value, each one, and the YHWH of the Bible demands you completely erase them from the face of the earth.

Well, technically that isnt what christianity is supposed to be. It's like i said, people just did whatever their priest told them, and so did iconoclasm come into existance, by some priests completely ignoring the fact that Jesus negated the old covenant and therefore adopting old testament principles where they shouldnt. It's the same deal with christian circucinsion as well.

>>15121

>In core issue is that you refuse to accept that Christianity is anything but the ugly strawman that people like Varg have propped up. You find the most subverted manifestations of the Church and bring attention to it, because you fear the real truth

Not an argument.

>It's absurd to imply that being Christian makes you non-European. Additionally the mission of the Church is both universal and particular, and its particularity can be seen in spiritualizing European values. Even the warring spirit of the Teuton became holy.

Well, yeah. Christianity is a globalist religion, it want all peoples to unite behind it, while sort of keeping their own particularities. Think what you will of that.

>Perhaps, it would depend on the tribe

Nah, it had more to do with some of the institutions rome had left for the church to maintan rather than something strictly religious.

>Fortunately we know exactly what those men believed, you should take a look at the writings of St. Bernard of Clairvaux

Addressed this above. TLDR: Sort of. They believed in Jesus and YHWH, but not in the way we know nowadays. It's almost impossible to actually pinpoint their belief because of the sheer lack of disparity that probably existed between each priest in each village.

>Christianity, unlike Islam and Judaism, is transformative rather than destructive. While I think iconoclasm is not the way to express that, you can't deny that the Church didn't reparate. For every statue that was defaced we created ten more, of greater beauty than before, the sacred groves gave way to cathedrals, and so on. Islamization is usually synonymous with Arabization but Christianization on the other hand attempts to work through the world's cultures, not against them.

Addressed iconoclasm above, its an extension of my last point: people didnt actually know what was christianity and what was a relic from the old testament.

Also, cathedrals were built based off the works of architects like Vitruvius, which was a famous architect of pagan temples. The best example of this is Florence's cathedral, which is identical to a pagan temple in structure. Gothic cathedrals actually were based off the gnostic celtic christian churches, which had quite a few particularities, like adopting 666 in its geometry, imitating snake scales et cetera.

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 No.15229

>>15228

That the insanity of monotheism, obviously iconoclasm is part of Christianity, just as much as the veneration of saints is, but because you imagine there is a single God, a single faith, a single dogma, you have to somehow reason how thousands of years of Christian history are really not Christian, because it's not suitable as propaganda anymore.

Wotan demands human sacrifices……

So maybe go more with Donar?

That's how easy Germanics deals with religious troubles.

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