/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

>>14712

This is a hard one but I've always understood Orlag to be the concept of time.

Orlog was there before the gods and it will outlast everything else. Time is both unchangeable and changeable, the past is the past and you can't do anything to change it but the present and future can be changed by your actions, other people's actions and luck/destiny.

(I'll explain what I mean with luck/destiny, in quantum theory in the 4th dimension (time) when you throw a d6 you have 6 possible outcomes, you create 6 new timelines. You will fall in one of these 6 timelines by chance. If you believe in destiny the side it falls on when you throw a dice at that particular moment and place in time is always the same.)

Wyrd is your own personal thread in this time, your personal part of the orlog. Like the rest of the orlog the wyrd is also influenced by choices and luck/destiny but unlike orlog your personal wyrd isn't infinite, there are 2 things you can never change. Life and death.

This is one of the main reasons why cowardice was so looked down upon, if it is the day you are supposed to die nothing will prevent your death but you can change how it happens, from an arrow in the back while running away or from a sword in the front from honorable combat.

It's also one of the most important themes of the sagas, the birth of the Gods and Ragnarok, their inevitable end. The Gods know how they are going to die but still continue the struggle against their wyrd instead of cowering before it.

Hamingja is more difficult for me.

Some say Hamingja is just luck, but I don't believe in luck.

Others say Hamingja is more like karma but for your entire bloodline (and for those that believe in reincarnation it also acts just like regular karma). I like that explanation, it wouldn't surprise me if Hamingja and karma share the same indo-European origin.

If you take it back to Orlog it would be the actions you make influencing the Orlog this results in individual wyrds getting entangled.

These entanglements can be good or bad and there can be a very long time in between seeing the consequences (your actions can have good or bad results for your grandchildren's grandchildren).

Magan I have no idea about, it's not a concept I see a lot.

From what I can tell it's basically the lifeforce of a person. Maybe like the breath of life Odin gave to Ask and Embla.

TLDR. I look at it like this:

The Norns (past, present and future) weave Orlog (Time) using the Wyrd (individual lives). They make knots (individual wyrds touching) to create patterns (Hamingja) on this tapestry.

>>14733

Thanks for clarifying. Some of the books I have read on the subject ended up reading more like technical manuals then to say philosophy.

How do you feel about the theory that Germanics had no concept of "future"? Or that they were not concerned with what things may be?

>>14736

>Thanks for clarifying.

No problem but keep in mind, it's just my personal interpretation.

Regretfully we have no sources explaining these concepts.

>How do you feel about the theory that Germanics had no concept of "future"?

They believed in prophecies and knew that there was an end to all things (death), so the idea that they didn't have a concept of future is silly.

Also, Skuld is literally the Norn of future.

Biologically speaking Germanic are low time preference white people, not high time preference niggers. Delayed gratification means you have a concept of future. They had to be in order to not starve in the winter.

If people say this kind of shit call them what they are, anti-white retards.

This is way less complicated than it's made out to be.

Orlog is the parts of your fate that were set at birth. You're a fuckin white male, born in x country, etc.

Wyrd is fate that isn't set. You can alter it and so can the people/events in your life.

Hamingja is your ancestral inheritance of honor/luck. It is sometimes personified like a guardian angel.

Maegan is the luck you build up day to day by performing honorable actions, and determines the hamingja you pass to your children.

>>14747

>This is way less complicated than it's made out to be.

You're just looking at this true a modernist's lens, simplifying and separating things in neat little packages to make them more digestible when most of these concepts are intertwined and are not supposed to be easily understood.

It's really regrettable that so little of the meta-physics and philosophies of the magical/priestly casts have survived.

>Orlog is the parts of your fate that were set at birth.

Except that Orlog isn't just the past, it's also the future and present. It's not a coincidence that Orlog is woven by past, present and future.

>Wyrd is fate that isn't set. You can alter it and so can the people/events in your life.

Except there are things you can never alter that are part of your wyrd, your birth and your death.

Frigg's ability to predict the future was because she could read the orlog. This caused her to try and change Baldur's wyrd, she failed because death is unchangeable.

>It is sometimes personified like a guardian angel.

This is just wrong, Hamingja, Fylgja and the Disir are not the same thing. They share aspects but they are not the same.

>Hamingja is your ancestral inheritance of honor/luck.

>Maegan is the luck you build up day to day by performing honorable actions, and determines the hamingja you pass to your children.

I don't know much about Magan but from the way you describe it it's part of Hamingja in the same way that the wyrd is part of Orlog.

Makes sense that there is this kind of continuation of themes.

>>14750

I simplify because there's no need to explain these concepts with a wall of text.

Orlog means "original law". This needs no further exposition. The norns weave wyrd and you can affect it.. Not all of it, of course, but if your wyrd is 100% set, what's the point of doing anything?

Correct, hamingja, the disir and your fetch are not the same thing, but as I said, hamingja are sometimes personified as guardian spirits.

Regardless, these are concepts handed down to us from the bronze and iron ages. They don't really have set definitions and are always going to be murky and grey shaded. As you said it is a shame we don't have more left to us from the priestly caste.