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 No.14312

Trees are sacred in Germanic paganism. My question is, what makes a tree sacred? Is it an individual feeling one gets when they are around the tree or pray to it? Or is there a general consensus, or a set of guidelines, when determining whether a tree could be sacred. If it is an individualist concept, then how would one go about finding a sacred tree?

>Also: fuck Boniface

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 No.14317

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To understand why they did it, looking at others who do it still might help.

Indians and some bhuddists worship the peepal tree, a kind of fig, which is native to their subcontinent, not only as many storys of gods are connected to it which makes it a suitable residence for them, the bhudda himself was said to meditate below them to reach enlightenment.

Much more practically to people back then was its antimicrobial compounds. If you were an indian 300bc and ill, that tree could make an important difference.

The romans too, worshipped a figtree in their capital connected to its founding story, the Ficus Ruminalis which was replaced sometimes when it died-probably from an offshoot of one of its fruits.

In Indochina bhodi trees are especially sacred when they are said to stem from the same line of fruit as the one the bhudda sat under.

But such foundation events for holy lines of trees we were cut off from, so they are useless for us.

In Germany, peasants often refused to chop down elderberrys and spirits where said to reside in them which needed thanks until the 19th century and people planted them along their homes for good luck. Also, academics at the time and today are pretty sure that through many tales and in some regions namings and leftover rites, a godess was connected to it, maybe frigg.

Elderberrys too have antibiotic properties.

Germanics connected the oak to Thunar/Thor, romans to Jupiter the thunderer.

The Oak grows best isolated on fields, were it reaches impressive size prone to lighting strikes which it often survives.

Not a tree, but a spring connected to the native-roman composite deity Apollo-Grannus which was thought to reside in it was deemed sacred and today has been found out to contain minerals with antiseptic properties.

The basic thought is thus: certain spots in nature and the world make your life better or impress in an unusual way. You need them and appreciate them, thus you connect a benevolent form to them.

With greater organisation the formation of uniform storys and myths, by whatever insight mundane or divine, get spun and add to certain tree's prestige as adobe of something higher that made them for you too and can dwell in them at will.

So you do the obvious and worship/ thank the spirit where its gift to you and its residence is located-the tree. This relationship of taking and giving (votive offerings were common and are kinda similar to how catholics do it with certain chapels associated to saints.) gives birth to tradition-a codified relationship to the deity which lasts generations is established and more complex attributes of it reveal themselves to the generations of men that ponder about the whereabouts of this relation.

Same logic behind citygods and those of other places I guess.

>How to find

if you are not a villager who can acess a tree connected to stories of significance often (like an oak.), or know of one with an already established bond which warrants pilgimage(there are none anymore..) id cease the thought and settle for a kind of idolatry in your urban apartment that doesnt needs 10 metres space above and around it.

If there would be a pagan rural community tho, using a tree as communal focal point for the worship of a certain god associated to it by what our ancestors established as relationship then there might be a point to just try until it is made sacred by the virtue of multigenerational worship.

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 No.14318

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All trees are sacred. They are living, breathing creatures (as in, part of creation) which communicate with each other via root systems and mycorrhizal fungi. They also formed almost the entire environment in which Europeans evolved. It is natural to feel at home and safe amongst trees. All European natives are useful, edible or medicinal, or all three.

Naturally there are specimens which feel 'special' in a way, just like there are humans who feel special to us. It might be the species, size, form, or age that set a specimen apart and make it a real wonder. Some species have special places in mythology already- Ash, Fraxinus excelsior (excelsior means the best) is the world tree in Norse mythology. Yew, Taxus baccata, is the tree of life, death and immortality, because it is biologically immortal and likes to grow on graveyards where its roots grow through the eye sockets of the dead. There are Yews in Britain that are thought to be over 3000 years old. Oak, Quercus robur (robur means strong), is the mightiest deciduous tree, and apex temperate forest is mostly made up of Oak and Beech, Fagus sylvatica (sylvatica means forest dweller).

>>14317

>know of one with an already established bond which warrants pilgimage (there are none anymore)

There are ones worth visiting. The Sequoiadendron giganteum groves in California, for one.

One truly amazing place to visit for trees is Dunkeld, Scotland. There is a tree trail you can follow so you can find them all. There are trees there that Shakespeare wrote about in Macbeth- the remains of Burnham wood where the witches gathered. The Burnham oak and the Young pretender (a maple, pic related) lie on the banks of the river Tay just outside Dunkeld, both at least 300 years old and truly massive, awe inspiring.

Around Dunkeld cathedral are ancient specimens of Abies grandis (Great fir-pic related) which dwarf any imagining of how large they are. There is a specimen by Dunkeld lodge that is bigger than a 200 year old Giant sequoia, and their trunks are so straight, pale and uniformly wide that they look like impossibly great marble pillars. There is also a Giant sequoia grove just upriver.

The 'Parent larch' also grows by the Cathedral. It's thought to have literally millions of children, because the larch timber industry has used its seed as the 'standard' larch seed for centuries. >>14317

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 No.14320

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>>14317

Op here. I live in southwest Florida. It's mostly palm trees, mangroves, swamp and trees in developments. :/

It sort of sucks. There isn't anywhere quiet around here. No seclusion. I feel sort of trapped :/

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 No.14321

>>14318

All of that stuff is pretty cool

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 No.14352

>>14320

Guess you must settle for a home altar then and practize what is compatible with an urban lifestyle.

I mean.. Tree-sanctums seem to be one of those places that usually already have had a very long history of communal worship and whatever indians may or may not have associated with old mangrooves-its probably not what you want to turn to anyway.

>No quietness

Sucks. Use Headphones maybe?

Either noisecancelling or with something that equals out noises into a steady stream like binaural beats or a soft version of white/brown noise.

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 No.14355

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>>14317

>the indians worship the peepal tree

>pee pal

Just when I was going to make a poo in the loo joke too.

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