/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

I always thought this, too. It's definitely mystic, that is, you should disregard this world and focus only on the next one. They will tell you that this isn't true, because Yahweh commands you to do at least some functional things in this world, but in this case, they can't see the forest for the trees. Those commands are inconsequential to the logical conclusion of the religion itself.

Then you have the prosperty gospel heretics, who think Jesus wants you to have a jetski.

>>11785

You're right but you skipped the biggest elephant in the room.

In christianity life itself is completely worthless, the only purpose of you being here is to worship yahweh and try to get others to do so. You're only here for a short while, there's no reincarnation, and there's only one other universe where you'll spend the rest of eternity. So destroying the planet is totally fine as long as they accomplish spreading their ideology.

It might be better described as world rejecting than as Nihilistic, because it has things which you're meant to care about, but the world isn't really one of them.

It's not just that.

YHWH is depicted as being above and therefore separate from the natural world. It should be obvious that the Gods represent different aspects of Nature and are therefore subject to its Laws.

>>11804

That is why I used the term Proto-Nihilism. Christianity makes people pursue a selfish goal (heaven) and they are taught nothing or no one should stand in their way. Seems sorta like nihilism but not quite. And yeah it is world rejecting but the motives behind it are pretty selfish.

>>11812

You're assuming that heaven in Christianity is like an awesome room where you get everything you ever wished for, a reward for your life of good deeds tailored to you. Its actually all about being able to worship Yahweh and being in its presence, and assuming you behaved the way he wanted you to in life, that experience will be pleasant. If not, you'll be tortured by that same presence until you either cease to be or suffer eternally. Morality in that religion is the will of Yahweh, and nothing else. Something is bad or good only insofar as Yahweh has given an opinion on it.

I'd argue its entirely anti-self as a religion, to a ridiculous extent. That's no way to live.

It occurred to me awhile ago… Biblical Christianity seems like an attempt to explain Buddhism to 80 IQ mud people… later Christianity is an attempt to use Greek philosophy to justify Biblical Christianity to 100 IQ euros.

>>11785

>I have came to the conclusion that Christianity is Proto-Nihilism.

I would hazard that you think this because nietzschean thought has become the go-to for heathens, rather than an examination of their own customs and heritage.

let's us consider things:

>That one should forsake friends, family, husbands/wives, etc if they are not about God. One's relationship with God is more important than health, wealth, family, etc.

what are we to make of the role of honor and oaths in heathery then?

if I swear fealty to my lord in an oath, and my brother freely swears an oath to my lord's enemy, am I not compelled to forsake kin for the honor of my oath?

or if my brother alleges in public before an audience that I'm argr, am I not compelled to forsake kin and strike him down for the grave dishonor that he's rendered me?

or if my brother is declared outlaw by the thing – am I not compelled by my duty to the volk and the writ of the thing to abandon kin and render him no aid?

if my wife is infidelitious, am I not compelled by honor to abandon her to a shaved head, public humiliation and possibly even the bog? or an argr cousin – am I not compelled by duty to bury him in a bog and yet again abandon kin?

heathens submit to their honor and duty inasmuch as we Christians submit to God. in this, I say we're no different.

>Heaven is a reward for doing good. And is taught so. Instead of teaching one must do good for sake of community and family. I believe the latter teaches one more about what real altruism is about.

only a misinformed opinion believes this. heaven is considered the perfect communion with God and our fellow Christians. we do altruistic things because it helps us build common communion with one another on earth. when I do something for a fellow Christian, theologically, it is as if I'm doing it for myself, because we are all said to be united to one another in Christ. when i do things for a non-christian, I am serving as an ambassador for christ, and in this, all of my brothers in communion with Christ's body.

in this, i would say our entire teachings on the matter are focused on building up the community, because the community (both on earth and in heaven) is the reward.

those who are reward chasing are those Christ says say "Lord Lord" and will be spit out for not loving their communities.

>This is what christshills don't understand Christianity divided Europe and beget nihilism and Marxism which erode the Western World.

i would argue that the root of ideological evil in the western world is immediately the child of rosicrucianism and masonry (their ideas spawned liberalism, caused the French revolution, and ultimately inspired Marx), and more ultimately, the child of the Gnostic heretics (actual world haters), whom we condemned nearly 2000 years ago.

>>11785

>In Christianity one is taught that no one should come before God. That one should forsake friends, family, husbands/wives, etc if they are not about God. One's relationship with God is more important than health, wealth, family, etc.

The point of that is that no one should come before God, because he's the ultimate good and the source of true happiness.

So there should be no question of compromise between doing what is good (God's will) versus living in sin because of family ties, romantic love, or friendship. The extreme end of this teaching is abandoning your friends/family if you can't resolve the situation patiently and with love.

>I have seen this first hand with my own family. Christcucks who use Christianity to justify selfishness;

Of course, rotten people exist in all groups.

>Not only that but most of the more altruistic side of Christianty like charity seems to me more an ego stroke than a genuine feel of right. When I do something good in is not out of "I feel good if I do good" but because it is the right thing to do. Even if it hurts me personally I still do what is right to do. I have yet to meet an average christian who makes these self-sacrifices without a reward involved "Heaven". Heaven is a reward for doing good. And is taught so. Instead of teaching one must do good for sake of community and family. I believe the latter teaches one more about what real altruism is about.

This is an incorrect understanding. Orthodox Christianity and Protestantism teach that Heaven is received through faith via grace, not through deeds, works or your own striving.

A Christian does good deeds because he is "regenerated" and as an expression of his love of God. His salvation is taken care of, he becomes happy and at ease, ideally selfless, so good deeds are done for their own sake. That's how it's supposed to work.

>This is what christshills don't understand Christianity divided Europe and beget nihilism and Marxism which erode the Western World.

Nihilism has always existed in the heart of man, it's part of the materialist/atheist mindset that seeks salvation in "this world" and when it can't find it in sex, physicality, money and so forth it becomes hopeless.

Christianity always recognized the unsatisfactory nature of such a limited and materialist view, see Ecclesiates.

Marxism is a political aberration, such things appear and disappear all the time. Essentially another "idol man has created and worshiped in place of God. Thinking it'l create an equal and just "utopia" on earth. Christianity fought against it, and was one of the main victims of it. Some of the staunchest opponents of Marxism were Orthodox priests.

>Thoughts…?

Keep studying, most religions have a lot of good to them, if you study them with an open mind.. If you read about them with the intention of disdaining them it's very easy to miss their meaning and setup straw-men against them.

>>12050

>that is why Nietzsche says men must become gods; we must embrace ourselves as the origin of violence.

but instead of turning men into gods, he encourages them to perpetuate their ignorance, their greed, their violence, and all the aspects that make life miserable and turn men into beasts.

and instead of living his philosophy like a heroic ubermensch he only dreamed about it in his writings, while hiding in his home and following mundane secular morals like everyone else. very sad.

>>12069

also nietzsche was a huge proponent of relativism or perspectivism philosophy, i.e denying objective truths and Absolute truth; which is not only self-contradictory but has paved the way for extreme forms of liberalism, feminism, and socialism…."hurr that's just your opinion man, from my point of view gender is a social construct" — thanks nietzsche!

Someone implied Nietzsche was racist, top kek, he hated racists. His idea of aristocracy was not racial but philosophical. He was a cosmopolitan multiculturalist, like the greeks/romans.