/asatru/ - Asatru / Heathenry / Paganism

Some cuties there, though.

>>11525

There are, the girl on the pained metalhead bro's right looks nice to me. I think that some of these people, with guidance (or even just removed from the influences of the lower-quality people around them) could get on the right tracks.

To me, what's actually happening in the video isn't all that cringey. Fairly cool drumming, people circling round a tree (Actually a tree stump with a statue on it? Would rather just a tree but whatever.) I can get behind it. I think the cringe comes from the general vibe of the people involved. Overweight middle aged women who dye their hair red and a couple of DYEL fags. But then there's also a couple of decent looking women, a cute little girl, metalhead bro and the really tall dude. I believe that simply taking the desirable people away from degenerate elements would create an immediately improved atmosphere.

I was at something similar to this video myself only a few days ago. There I encountered the same thing: Those I might be proud of associating with, and those I most certainly would not. I have the beginnings of a plan to continue to meet other heathens, treat them all fairly and kindly because I'm not a cunt, but to mentally sift through them and pick out those I'd be happy seeing as peers and remain in contact with them as to try and influence them and invite them to get something more exclusive going. tl;dr meet all kinds of pagans, disregard wiccatruars/LARPers/generally weak people, form own kindreds with actual cool people.

In a similar vein, I see potential value in meeting with non-pagan (Christian or non-religious) but right-leaning/third-positionist people and trying to draw an interest in heathenry out from any folkish sentiments they exhibit.

>>11527

They're attempting to do a traditional Faroese dance. It's definitely the people that are cringey.

We need to call out and shame unheathen behavior. I remember seeing a video of some spanish group that said that our religion lacks holy texts, gods and rules.

>>11528

>We need to call out and shame unheathen behavior. I remember seeing a video of some spanish group that said that our religion lacks holy texts, gods and rules.

well theres the havamal, the eddas, beowulf, some skaldic poems, icelandic sagas, i wonder what they want, something that was written by god? also what would spaniards choose as their folkish people religion? spaniard is an even bigger genetical mudpool than britain, with moors and visigoths and what not

>>11527

>>11528

I remember that, "A religion with no rules!". Utterly retarded, like the Germanic people of the iron age were all fucking ancaps.

>>11529

"Holy texts" is a stretch for a lot of that, I think. All great material for us to use but honestly it's all just "here are some events that took place" apart from Havamal which is mostly real common sense stuff. It's all highly valuable but I think a holy text would need to be something greater than the sum of those parts. Such a thing likely deserves its own thread, I think I remember seeing a "Should we write a book?" thread at one point.

Britain isn't too hard to work out really: Follow either Brythonic, Gaelic or Anglo-Saxon tradition depending on where you're (your family is) from. If you're, say, half English and half Irish, I'd say default to where you're father's from unless you feel a strong calling to your mother's cultural tradition. In Spain, I imagine Celtiberian reconstruction would be what most people want to look at. I think Gothic blood is negligible for most Spaniards, maybe some north-westerners might have business identifying with their Gothic heritage if Germanic tradition calls to them a lot more than Celtic tradition. Roman polytheism might be suitable for a lot of Spaniard; obviously Spanish language is Latin derived but I don't think the Romans really spread their blood anything like they spread their culture.

>>11527

Sorry, I misclicked and posted that empty post.

>what's actually happening in the video isn't all that cringey.

Well, I might have to give some context to this event then as it happened in germany and infos on it are only to be found on small websites and local newspapers in german, it involved a lot of groups there and even got media coverage, so it should be deemed as important in some way as it shaped peoples opinions and is to be seen as a broad profile of what rallys under "paganism" in europe today.

-Just in my personal opinion- it stands for a lot of what troubles any religious attempts in this direction and I mainly remember it because I was highly interested in european polytheism for some time, looked out for the substance behind it and as this was one of the first impressions that I got, it made me turn away from it again like many others might have.

The village in this video is Fritzlar, a beautiful small city with 14.000 inhabitants and a historically very significant place, amongst other things because it was there that the first holy roman emperor was voted in.

Parts of Fritzlar where already inhabited by 200.bc and it was this place which once was one of the most important cult-centers of the pagan saxons were the Donarsoak stood which was worshipped until 760 ad. when the holy bonifatius under protection of the christian Franks subjugated the area and felled it followed by hard sanctions for any that held to the old ways, which was seen of one of the mainturning points of the christianisation of central europe.

While it is not known where the oak once was located, as the historical sources are conflicting and vague, it is generally accepted that it once stood on the lane in this video, in front of the church which was probably erected upon the first chapel built by bonifatius which was made out of the wood of the chopped down sanctuary.

I dont know where the stump is from and what its age is, as it being the original oak seems to be out of question because historians wouldnt make a fuss about the original place of the oak otherwise, but the statue (made in the 90s) is of the holy bonifatius standing on it to drive the point home.

Now, some pagans decided to show presence and made this event in order to sanctifie the place again and make connections.

I think that green, horned overshaman there initiated it, while asatrus from the swiss came to the 2016 meeting (they are now every year there since 2012) and some genuine guys not associated to any group have might been there before that, the event was only rudimentary planned (grilling at some place is cool ofc and they could formulate some rites you see in the vids along a later procession through a wood were they planted an oak and sprinkled it with "ostarawater"-whatever this is, we dont even know if ostara as a godess existed…-it died a year later so they have to plant new ones from time to time…) and not really consistent in any shape or form.

Wiccas came with their fantasyrobes, esoterics came-under them a guy who sells leaves with runes on them over the internet along a collection of historically questionable books, some weird shamans who threw in tengrism and what not-one of them affliated to astro TV a notorious sham channel were they sell "angelsprays" and tarotservice with expensive hotlines and an all together crude amalgation of peoples who represent themselves accordingly:

https://keltisch-druidisch.de/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/field/image/events/fritzlar-heidentreff.png?itok=g_xTdoV-

Now, this isnt all so tragic as esoterics are well known as a weird minority, but they connecting themselves to indoeuropean polytheism while the event could not even call itself like that as it claimed to speak for all "naturereligions" on earth and colourful tolerance among them seems to do more harm then good concerning the representation of those beliefs.

The city, a rather conservative rural community, saw itself confronted with these people and while being cooperative was not all too thrilled and local newspapers write about the meetings more as a curious nuisance as something to take serious.

Shortly-if this has any resemblance or what our ancestors actually believed is highly doubtful and raises more scorn and ridicule then a confrontation with a theologically valid alternative that has an actual conncetion to the traditional and old for the current churchgoers and agnostics.

As I said im not a believer, so you can dismiss me with the "what do you even stand for if you laugh about this?" question but my interest flamed up again in the last time and I hope i can find something in the book "de natura deorum" and maybe "german mythology" by the brother grimms along personal trial and error which I cannot find and see in those meetings

>>11537

well that sucks

>>11535

I'm fine without holy texts. It might seem like a good idea, but all it does is inspire legalistic fuckery and autism.

Look at the Jews, who just weasel their way around their own text and have no conscience or recognition of the idea that rules have a spirit along with a letter.

Look at the Christians, who are like the Jews except dumber. Hearing them discuss anything is like watching a game of Calvin Ball.

Look at the mudslimes. 'nuff said there.

Your blood is your holy text. You make copies and pass your values on directly via your children.

>>11537

Wicca is a shitty amalgam of Crowley's work, Egyptian ritual and nature worship so I'm not surprised when they shit up something legit.