No.105135[Last 50 Posts]
So there are like 6 million gundam shows.
Which of them are worth watching and in what order?
____________________________
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105136
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105138
>>105136
THIS!
Watch everything in the order it came out.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105139
Don't listen to these fags.
Start with Gundam Seed, then after you have a grasp of the basics, start branching to other things.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105180
Watch the first, if you don't like it just drop it. It's a toy-ad.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105189
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105190
>>105136
I decided to do that. Loved 0079. But Zeta was so fucking terrible I never bothered with anything else.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105192
>>105190
>Zeta
>Bad
Start with 0079, can do either TV or compilation, avoid Zeta ANT. Watch MS Igloo
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105196
>>105135
PRODUCTION ORDER ALWAYS NIGGER
HOLY FUCK CAN WE STICKY THIS NO ONE WILL ASK ANYMORE
>Which of them are worth watching
All UC Gundams until Char's Counterattack. Then go for the OVAs. 0080 and 8th MS Team a best, 0083 a shit despite its gorgeous animation. The AU shows you can take or leave, but you must watch G Gundam.
>>105136
this
>>105139
nice b8
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105198
Gundam Wing is all you need to watch
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105207
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105252
Mobile Suit Gundam - the only Tomino Trash (tm) you should ever waste your time on, just to find out where the series originated
War in the Pocket
08th MS Unit
Gundam 00 - not a masterpiece by any stretch, but stick around for the cool ending
And there you have it, all the Gundams worth watching.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105253
>>105180
>It's a toy-ad.
Pretty much. That's always been the series' problem. The ones that try their hardest to grasp at their storytelling potential almost invariably get crippled by this.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105283
>>105253
I've actually been wondering about that. Do series like Star Trek, The Terminator, Hercules: The Legendary Journeys, The Matrix, Alien, GoT etc. start up or even (Still) exist to sell merchandise, or does the merchandise help keep the series going, or what?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105286
>>105283
They're safe bets. You don't get an Avatar grossing the highest box office of all time but what you do get is reliable money flowing in. Studios count on these products to make them float while they make riskier bets with things like Avatar on one end and Ghost in the Shell on the other.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105297
>>105283
>>105286
Star Trek wasn't profitable when it first aired and its 5 season plan got cut into 3 seasons. I've only seen TOS (and TAS) but I can't see anything in it that's particularly made to sell merchandise. Even then, good toy-ads can exist. It's just that Gundam takes itself too seriously when it's, in the end, about robots fighting each-other, has bad voice-acting and bad animation on top of it simply being political drivel that's the same in every war-themed story.
Gundam is just lame. Star Trek is genuinely interesting especially considering its age. Just my 2 cents.
Modern movies are made to cash-in on nostalgia. Merchandise isn't the main source of income. So in that sense, not even Star Wars is a toy-ad. It makes more than enough money even without the merch.
What's so special about Gundam anyhow?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105304
>>105297
Star Trek was a huge risk when it first aired but by TNG that risk had subsided and there were movies, toys, and spinoffs that last until this day. Notice that all the spinoffs took a TNG approach rather than TOS. It was safe and the formula worked. Now anytime you need more money just open up the Star Trek spigot and the money will flow. There's a tipping point between when a work is experimental and when it's a reliable workhorse, Toys are just icing on the cake. Anime however have toys in mind as a major pusher of sales. There's a reason Bandai is a huge name on production committees. There's other considerations for merchandise like music but it's mainly about the goods and the video release of the show.
>What's so special about Gundam anyhow?
It was the first anime the whole family could watch together so it became a massive hit. In hindsight 40 years later it's not very good but that's because it was one of the first to be revolutionary in the industry. So many other franchises and even its own franchise has built upon that success. Combine that with (I know the pre 00s fags will mob me for this) technological and technique in both visual and written storytelling and it's the difference between a man using a sling and a man using a predator drone.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105314
>just watch all gundams in release order
>just watch all 900 toy commerical videos in release order
How about no?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105316
>>105314
They're not toys, mom! They're model kits!
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105318
>>105314
If you don't like 1 episode, you won't like 900.
If you like 1 episode, you will probably like 900.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105320
>>105316
Okay anon, now go be a good boy in your room.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105323
>>105180
>>105314
>>105316
>toy commercial
It was supposed to be a more grounded show about human-sized powered armor and succeeded even though the executives tried assraping it into a mecha toy commercial. The writers rolled with the executives' punches, filling their retarded demands in ways that actually fit the show, and in the end Gundam 0079 fucking sucked at selling toys. What did sell were formerly overlooked model kits (the popular ones were usually scaled-up versions of the old powered armor suits) and after that the Gundam crew was left to do whatever the fuck they wanted.
Is Gundam worth getting into? Sure. Even if it sells lots of merch these days, that merch is backed by a bunch of good shows (mostly the older stuff) and shitposting material.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105325
This reminds me, I should finish Gundam Wing so I can finally watch After War Gundam X and Turn A. Turn A has some top-tier aesthetics thanks to Syd fucking Mead being on board.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105327
>>105323
>It was supposed to be a more grounded show about human-sized powered armor
God you people make me sick. It was supposed to be something else? Really? that's the best you can come up with? Did toys not exist before gundam?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105332
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105333
>>105327
The fuck are you on about?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105348
>>105139
Good suggestion because it gives you a good idea about the series themes with some of the least clunky episodes.
Other option is watching the 3 0079 movies.
>>105252
00's movie is one of the worst things in the franchise.
>>105283
Mecha has a bigger problem than those series because it has to design mecha. On those series the investment is all front loaded. You make the sets and the outfits and everything else is cheap to do. If you want an extra cheap episode you take an actor and pick out a set of clothes from your wardrobe department and that's all the investment needed. Throw a few of those into a full series and once in a while a monster and it's costing you more to feed people than it is to make the TV series. In the case of mecha you need someone to design a robot and a way to make that robot into a toy of some kind. Modern anime goes for the Hercules style of series instead where you design the human cast and introduce a new one once in a while and that's it. It's bare bone but the figurines sell as well as any non-gundam model kit.
>>105304
Gundam wasn't even close to the first family anime. What made Gundam appeal was autists catching reruns and buying up the model kits. Model kits are what made Gundam a success.
>>105314
I've done that. Some series are unwatchable junk like Wing and Victory.
>>105318
No. Series themes and styles are drastically different. You may not like 0079 but could love G.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105349
>>105316
There is a big difference between a toy and a scale model. Pics give you a good example of why model kits are a hobby and not like a toy. You don't play with them the fun is creating them,
>>105327
The original gundam was supposed to be space only use mecha. The novels tell a very different more adult story. The original story is more about how even if humans evolved for space they would still struggle to communicate with each other.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105351
>>105348
>You may not like 0079 but could love G.
Bullshit.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105352
Niggers spouting 'Gundam just being a toy commercial' meme apparently can't seem to understand that just because Bandai saw opportunity to merchandise the shit out of it, didn't mean Tomino and Sunrise didn't see an opportunity to take narrative risks with the show. In Gundam's case, those risks involved having a show where the giant robots are treated like any other war machine as well as having morally grey characters on both sides. Now today, that doesn't seem unique at all, but in 1979 it stood in stark contrast to the dozens of monster-of-the-week, super robot shows that were way more overt toy commercials than Gundam was at the time.
If you think Gundam was solely made to sell toys, congrats for being a normalfag who gets their opinions from ANN and MAL. I'm sure your lack of appreciation and history of the medium will be more tolerated there.
>>105253
>The ones that try their hardest to grasp at their storytelling potential almost invariably get crippled by this.
Watch Gundam 0080 if you want an example of Gundam's WAR IS BAD theme done right. Until then, you should probably shut the fuck up about anime you've never seen and only heard discussed by pretentious niggers on ANN and reddit.
>>105297
>It's just that Gundam takes itself too seriously when it's, in the end, about robots fighting each-other, has bad voice-acting and bad animation on top of it simply being political drivel that's the same in every war-themed story.
And Cuck Trek is talky, over-written communist trash with lame effects and fight choreography made by a coke head that takes itself way too seriously when it's about going on space adventures. See I can do it too.
>>105304
>It was the first anime the whole family could watch together so it became a massive hit.
Not even by a long shot, real family oriented shows like Sazae-san and Doreamon were airing nearly a decade prior. Its appeal was in seeming grittier compared its super robot contemporaries
>>105348
>least clunky
Seed is fucking shit unless you want OP to stop before Destiny.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105354
>>105352
>And Cuck
Get an original thought.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105356
>>105196
If faggots REALLY want to go chronological in terms of UC, off the top of my head
>MSG
>MS Igloo
>MS Igloo 2
>8th MS team
>0080
>0083
>Zeta
>ZZ
>CCA
>Unicorn
>NT
>F91
>Victory
Again, avoid ANT as it changes the ending of Z and is non-canon according to Tomino himself. for MSG either TV or movies can be done as the ending is the same, Movies touch up some of the more QUALITY bits from the TV, however some fights are axed alongside the filler (Gyan vs Gundam as an example).
>>105253
>It's a toy ad
WELCOME TO THE MECHA GENRE, ENJOY YOUR STAY!
That goes for the Eva fags too in the audience.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105358
>>105352
Nice wall of text faggot. Try using the enter key.
I said SEED not Destiny and even Destiny isn't as bad as the memes say. There is some decent episodes in the first half, it's the second half that goes to shit.
>>105356
Igloo should come before 0079 if you're going pure timeline. it features content pre-side 7.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105359
>>105354
<spouts le gundam is le toy commercial maymay
>Get an original thought.
t. cuck who's never seen more than 5 minutes of Gundam
>>105356
Production order always nigger
No questions, no exceptions. I say this as a faggot who tried watching Gundam chronologically a decade ago. Won't make that mistake again, especially after that shitpile that was 0083 had me put off watching Zeta for almost a year.
>>105358
>There is some decent episodes in the first half, it's the second half that goes to shit.
Then OP should go with the originals. At least there the shitty episodes are sprinkled throughout the show among the good episodes. That, or he should watch the movie trilogy.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105360
>>105358
Technically you'd have to pause EVERYthing in order to get it right, meaning hopping between shows.
>>105359
>0083
>bad
only thing bad is Nina and the retarded love triangle.
Cima is best
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105361
>>105359
SEED isn't the one with bad episodes. It's got an excess of stock footage and a bullshit ass pull explained in the manga but that's about it. There is no reason someone can't watch SEED and the 0079 movies at the same time.
But you're clearly retarded when all you do is scream cuck at people and can't figure out a series made in the 90s with 1 throwaway scene leading into a series made 10 years previous is going to be a completely different style of show. You watch Zeta for Char and Kamille, not because Anaheim did stupid shit with Gundams (which they always do)
Next you will be crying Narrative ruins F-91 because it's a side story showing how utterly fucked the universe is and everyones playing chuckle fucks with Newtype technology they don't understand.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105363
>>105361
Pretty much, SEED is fucking garbage. Amuro actually grows as a pilot versus space jesus, who literally rewrites his MS's operating system mid combat "to suit his needs".
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105364
>>105360
That love triangle is precisely why it's so shit. If it were set up at the beginning, ok fine. But no, they had to insult the audience's intelligence but shoehorning it in at the last minute, with flimsy foreshadowing being that "Nina gets nervous because she's watching people shes loves fight", nevermind that her nervousness was preious supposed to be an identifier that Nina is a civilian that doesn't how bad combat can get. And Kou being a limp autist doesn't help either.
It has some great animation that's wasted on shit writing.
>>105361
>But you're clearly retarded when all you do is scream cuck
t. cuck
>'t figure out a series made in the 90s with 1 throwaway scene leading into a series made 10 years previous is going to be a completely different style of show.
Nigger what? The reason you watch in production order is because Gundam, much like any long running series anime or otherwise, has prequels that despite taking place earlier in the timeline usually assume you have some working knowledge of the franchise itself. And the only you can get that is by watching the shows that were made first, when there wasn't hundreds of hours of lore established.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105367
>>105364
same can be said about 8th MS team with the hamfisted romeo and Juliet love plot brought about by director change
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105370
>>105364
0083 is completely stand alone except for the final scene in the series. And Zeta even has huge errors if you put 0083 first due to the colony drop
>>105363
Kira also grows as a pilot over time. SEED's mostly hated because Destiny makes Kira so annoying. In SEED he's a bit too UNDERSTANDING but he's far from the worst the series has at this point Kio is way way worse
Rewriting the OS isn't such an ass pull as you make it seem. Kira was secretly working on the MS in college. You can see in the office where he studies there's a robot they're working on. The natural OS is terrible but Kira has the experience to quickly type up a basic movement set to allow him to operate it. It doesn't matter if it's clunky because he's immune to the Ginns attacks either way. It makes about as much sense as Amuro flicking through a manual does and then doing complex movements with the hands. The Gundam was primitive too and way harder to control than the Strike was due to Amuro not being autistic yet while Kira was a super autist and depending on how cannon you take Newtypes in SEED Kira was already on par with Amuro's autism and had experience with mobile suit development
Not going to defend SEED to the death but it's not as much as an asshole as it seems. Same way everyone says Shinn is a whiny bitch yet he's the only person willing to stand up to Orb and their bullshit. No one else called Orb out on their policies until Shinn met the representative and tore into her.
SEED and UC are more or less tied for my favourite timeline. SEED is flawed but it has it's merits too. Same way UC does. I'm willing to look past Kira to see an interesting world with some great designs. It's not like 00 where everyones a fag and child rape is a standard part of the timeline
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105371
>>105370
>Kira grows as a pilot
LOLNO
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105387
>>105371
>I don't want to fight
>I'll fight to protect the ship
>It's not right to take prisoners just to protect ourselves and Fllay is a nut job who will kill Lacus if I don't help her
>Athrun is going to kill me, I have to try and kill him
>ZAFT isn't full of nutjobs, Andy had honour.
>This war made me and my best friend try to kill each other, I want to fight to stop it not just to protect my friend
>I can forgive my friend for what he has done and we can fight to prevent it happening again
>Not everyone is redeemable and some people will need to die for my ideals to be felt
If you take Destiny's bullshit out of it Kira grows a lot as a character. He ends up a mental wreck who wants to be left alone the same way Amuro did. The real problem is Destiny fucks it all up. But even Destiny makes it clear that Kiras in the wrong and he's getting good people killed because of his actions. Heine dies because of Kira and Athrun loses his shit with him for it.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105401
>>105387
in war choices need to be made
time to grow up
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105418
>>105359
Get an original thought.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105426
>>105418
Quit spouting memes about anime you've never seen, cuck.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105430
>>105426
I did not. If you've got nothing to say don't say anything.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105578
You may only recommend one (1) gundam anime to watch.
What do you choose?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105579
>>105578
Evangelion is the best gundam
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105580
>>105578
I choose yuru yuri because the girls are gay instead of guys being gay. What a faggot do you have to be to watch giant robots.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105582
>>105578
Armored Trooper VOTOMS
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105605
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105642
>>105578
For someone with no experience in mecha at all? Build fighters.
For someone familiar with Gundam then definitely Zeta. Zeta needs the original series to really get the most out of it.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.105729
>>105578
The original of course. If I could I would make it illegal to watch things outside of release order.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.106798
this is surprisingly edgy
>panty shot in the first episode
>lots of civilians dying
mite b cool
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.106802
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.106832
>>105352
>Tomino
>narrative risks
Tomino's vomit starts and ends with angsty bullshit. Every single time.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.106834
>>105363
>Amuro actually grows as a pilot
When was this? Amuro practically loops back on himself throughout the series because Tomino is such a massive fucking hack who doesn't understand character development. Same can be said for the vast majority of his Gundam characters.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.106836
>>105578
Gundam Wing with the English dub. Many so-bad-it's-good chuckles will be had, which is really all this series is good for. Or you can just watch the Patlabor OVAs and then the two Oshii movies.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.107377
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.107457
>>106834
>Character devleopment =/= development as a pilot
Amruo starts off basically just using the raw power of the Gundam to win, it's not till Ral that he starts getting more serious in fighting and his skills improve as a result.
>>106832
Watch Xabungle
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108679
The characters are boring and the robot designs are quite uninspired.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108710
>>108679
The zaku is one of the best mecha designs ever.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108723
>>108679
>this thing that inspired an entire genre of real robot shows and in turn caused a change in mech design
>uninspired
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108887
>>108723
>>108710
gundam is shit, deal with it nerds
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108889
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108906
>>108723
>blablabla
They're blocky because that makes it easier to fabricate the toy models for which this show is a neverending commercial.
There is nothing inspiring about it.
It's
Just
A
Toy
Commerical
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108923
I've watched everything Gundam up to the early '90s and only the 2 movies are less than 8/10, as far as I can tell Gundam is pretty good.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108930
>>108906
toys inspired me to never bother with a real gf, so toys can be inspiring.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108942
>>105360
So is every other anime with merchandise.
You think Eva is “2 deep 4U”?
No, it’s a fucking commercial made to make you buy figures of Rei and Asuka, no matter what the authorial intent is, every series with merchandise is a commercial, going by your logic. Look at any popular Shonen, do you think they keep going because of their deep plots? Hell no,it’s because people keep buying figures and other merchandise. Why does Gundam get shit on when
L i t e r a l l y every other anime does this?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108951
>>108942
they would've sold more figs by giving it a happy ending where shinji defeats all the bad guys, saves the girls and is the hero he was destined to be
but he did none of those things, so fuck off with your delusions of grandeur you fucking hipster cocksucker. you're just as bad as the "eva is 2deep4u" fags if not worse by being pedantic about it.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108957
>>108942
You're quoting the wrong person retard
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.108977
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109239
Is there a single gundam series that's NOT shit?
I watched like 10 different series so far and none of them were good.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109243
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109247
so i think i've identified why dumdam is so shit...
every single one has some bratty loudmouth as mc
the gay mc and the mostly female cast fuck everything up for everyone every time
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109253
>>109247
Gundam Build Fighters had a pretty competent MC who just needed a partner to pilot the gunpla he built. IBO had Mikazuki who basically just acts like an attack dog that doesn't question or think about much. Thunderbolt had a jazz fanboy that kills Zeon grunts to the tune of it.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109268
>>109253
how do you explain away the pants on head retarded women and kids?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109271
>>109268
Kids are retards made worse by being drafted into a war where they're just canon fodder. Women are just more often than not incompetent.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109277
>>109247
Stop watching Zeta and watch the original series.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109288
>>109247
I just wish there was a gundam show with no MCs, or even human faces shown at all. Just the mecha going on missions, fighting, etc. Maybe some downtime in the repair shop while the pilots discuss tactics with their backs turned to the camera.
The problem with Gundam is that it builds this massive world where bigass wars are being fought through the galaxy with giant robots and they mix it up with retarded (but somehow prodigious) teenage kids and gives them more focus than the actual mecha.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109289
>>109288
you want a videogame
that's fine too
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109290
>>109289
You can make a show like that too. It's just that the concept of a mecha show and plot shield/cheesy characters don't mix.
Remember the Gouf scenes in 9th MS Team? That was some rad shit. I want that, but with less donut steel characters who don't even wear proper uniform because they're unique little snowflakes who won't really die in the show.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109304
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109313
>>109304
>war iz bad
Yeah no shit we got this same fucking message a million times before.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109319
The biggest problem with mecha is that giant robots are inherently stupid. It's like watching a naval warfare show where all of the ships are giant rubber ducks and all of the weapons make "quack" sound effects.
The more serious the rest of the show tries to be, the more the stupidity of the premise stands out.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109323
>>109304
Dude... War is... Bad?
I don't get it.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109333
>>109319
>most fights are in space
>i know! let's make the fighting machine a robot! because in space you need to walk a lot right?
Who was the genius that came up with that?
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109341
>>109333
>>109319
If you actually watched the original show youd know about the guntank and the guncannon but since you're just morons I guess all you know is the post-toy gundam series.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109342
So I accidentally watched the Red Comet origin miniseries first not knowing it was part of a greater story and I'm pretty sure it ruined me because I'm now trying to trudge through the MSG main series and its so much worse thats its not even funny. I'm not even talking about the visuals which I knew would be worse the entire plot and sequence of events doesn't really follow, you don't really understand why they are doing anything or even what specifically they are trying to accomplish the MCs just seem to drift from area to area with fights thrown in every couple episodes.
Casval is also a much better character than that fag Amuro who can't seem to decide if he wants to be gunho shonen protag or go full Shinji crying in his room for no apparent reason. Even when Casaval was being an absolute bastard you at least got a clear sense of what hes doing and why. Anyways hopefully this shit gets better I'm about 1/3 of the way through already so I can't stop now.
Also Artesia is best girl
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109345
>>109342
I felt the same way when I started but stick with it, you'll grow fond of it. The budget might be low but there are still some nice backgrounds and mecha designs. Amuro is a whiny brat but everyone else is pretty cool.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109355
>>109345
>everyone else is pretty cool
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109367
>>109341
Are you trying to claim that mecha as a genre isn't defined by giant humanoid fighting robots?
I did download the original Gundam, but I lost interest after the first episode or two.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109389
>>109319
>>109333
Mech shows are good when the mechs are actually used as what they were designed to be - WALKING machines. Space combat with mechs is absolutely retarded, but mechs fighting on the ground is great.
None of that flying shit either. That shit is for planes.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109392
>>109389
>Space combat with mechs is absolutely retarded
I will gift you reddit gold for this post
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109393
>>109392
It is retarded. What's the point of having mechs in space if they're just gonna fly around like mosquitos with no inertia or sense of weigh? To have a bigger silhouette so they can get shot at easier? They're not even transforming type mechs like the ones from Macross that turn into jets to better suit the battlefield they're in. Gundam's best fights are on land. Fucking Sentai Megazords do a better job, even. Fuck off.
>hurr guntank and the guncannon
Two anecdotes.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109395
>>109393
I was agreeing with you anon
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109398
>>109395
Came off as sarcastic.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109399
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109402
>>109333
About half of the original series takes place on Earth, or within colonies.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109403
>>109345
Amuro is downright mature for a 15 year old. He has like two moments where he acts like a bitch, and that's understandable because he's a child who asked for no part in this war.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109404
>>109393
It looks cool. And the original and Zeta Gundams do transform into jet planes to better maneuver in space. Over time they do that less and less, because it just looks cooler to have a humanoid form darting around. You kind of have to accept a bit of style over substance if you're going to watch mecha shows at all, because that's what the genre is built on.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109406
>it just looks cooler to have a humanoid form darting around.
Absolutely fucking not. Maybe for low functioning autists who like seeing flashy zoom zoom shit, but that's it.
They're giant robot, not DBZ characters. They're supposed to have weigh to their movements and hit hard, and not be a seizure made out of steel. I'm not saying they have to be slow as molasses like the silly shit from 40k but they're weighed in the tens of tons. Don't make them look like they're made of plastic at the very least.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109407
>>109406
>flashy zoom zoom shit,
Yes, that's the mecha genre.
Realisically, people would just use tanks and planes. Mecha exists entirely in fantasy nonsense land.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109408
>>109407
>Yes, that's the mecha genre.
No wonder it's falling out among the japs these days. Pacific Rim 1 did it better in one shot.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109409
>all mecha should be slow and heavy, because I have arbitrarily decided this is correct. Fuck having variety and shit.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109411
>>109409
I'm criticizing it specifically because there is no variety in favor of heavier non-absurd mechs you sperg. Name 10 shows that have that out of the gorillion gundam & clones that were made. The closest one to it is VOTOMs.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109412
>>109411
Name ten mecha shows.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109416
>>109412
Gundam Wing
9th MS Team
Dipshit In The Fuxx
Gridmeme
Macross
NGE
VOTOMs
Dougram (another one that does heavier mechs well)
Big O
Gunbuster
Now do what I told you to, if you want to have any validity.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109417
>>109407
>>109406
>>109408
>>109411
Reminder that your realistic western mech shit took designs from the Japs to begin with.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109418
>>109416
Half of those have your baste and slow robots. I can hardly even name ten mech shows, because the entire genre is dominated by Gundam, Macross and Evangelion, but you can add Giant Gorg.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109419
>>109417
I know. I'm not defending western shit, I'm saying jap shit doesn't have variety.
>>109418
>Half of those have your baste and slow robots
Which is why I pointed them out. But they're not 10, as I asked.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109420
>>109419
I can't even name ten robot shows, and you struggled, since you mentioned Gundam twice. But if that's cool, then I could list every Votoms OVA.
The Last Red Shoulder
Big Battle
The Red Shoulder Document: Roots of Ambition
Armor Hunter Mellowlink
Shining Heresy
Pailsen Files
Phantom Chapter
Case: Irvine
Votoms Finder
Alone Again
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109421
>>109420
>since you mentioned Gundam twice
9th MS deserved a mention either way. If that's cool, I refer you to every Gundam show ever made then.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109422
>>109421
A bunch of those depict robots with a sense of weight, like War in the Pocket.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109423
>>109417
they asked the nips for them.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109434
>>109423
No, they didn't. In fairness, FASA didn't directly steal them; they licensed them from an American company Twentieth Century Imports who were selling models of those anime mecha. Turns out, TCI didn't have the rights to sub-license the designs out, and FASA never knew about this until Harmony Gold started shiting subpoenas at them in 1996.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109463
>>109313
To just have a Gundam entry of endless fighting without characters behind it goes against the point of the franchise.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109491
>>109463
It would be an improvement then.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109495
>>109491
No you retard. It wouldn't be Gundam.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109496
>>109404
>You kind of have to accept a bit of style over substance if you're going to watch mecha shows at all, because that's what the genre is built on.
What's strange is that I don't mind an extreme lack of realism when it comes to fantasy and mahou shoujo shows. I don't even mind a certain lack of realism in sci-fi.
I think what bothers me about mecha is the contradiction between the veneer of gritty realism and the fundamental absurdity of the design concepts. It feels like a stupid mistake rather than an intentional feature of the universe they're portraying. Nothing about the setting explains why they'd want to build human-shaped spaceships. The only justification seems to be "it's cool", but to me it just feels corny.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109498
>>109496
This.
If mechs were viable as a weapon someone would have built them by now.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109506
>>109495
Then it would be something fucking better, nigger.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109511
>>109496
This is why the best mecha is steampunk fantasy mecha.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109518
>>109496
Thing is, if you made mecha shows realistic, then you'd have to take out all of the robots. A realistic mecha show is Legend of the Galactic Heroes.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109528
>>109498
Mechs do make some sense for land warfare. Walking is a much better way to cover rough terrain than rolling. A mech could cover much more varied terrain than any tank.
There are two caveats however:
1. Mechs make zero sense in space. You don't want limbs in space - you want thrusters. All the limbs are dead weight, not to mention the energy wasted in powering the motors to move the joints.
2. Anything bigger than a house is completely useless. The square-cube law means that you need thicker and thicker limbs (or stronger materials), which in turn increases the mass and power consumption. Very large mechs would just collapse under their own weight, as would most kaijuu.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109531
>>109528
That's just a tank with legs. It wouldn't resemble a human form.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109532
>>109531
Yeah, I was using "mech" in the most general sense.
Mechs with humanoid proportions will always look more like cheap plastic toys than serious combat vehicles. It's even worse if they have human-like "faces" or wield melee weapons.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109534
>>109416
>Gunbuster
I'm watching that shit right now and it's terrible. Yeah, the animation is beautiful, along with the audio, but fuck all happens with the story and nearly ALL the stuff we want to see happens off screen.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109537
>>109532
>Mechs with humanoid proportions will always look more like cheap plastic toys than serious combat vehicles
Following that, most mechs in Gundam look spindly as fuck. Their arms look like sticks, which is why the few exceptions like the Titus and the Gouf are infinitely cooler. Motherfuckers look chunky as hell.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109557
I like mobile suits like the hildolfr and xamel.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109641
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109642
>>109495
Right now gundam equals shit so anything would be an improvement over it tbh.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109801
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.109810
>>109801
Yeah I don't remember why I engraved 9th into memory when it's called 8th. I think it's because I started watching it at around 9 PM while reminding myself something about this specific hour. It's an intricate type of autism.
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.
No.111232
>>109801
>hiding around in the jungle
>decide to paint your machine in flamboyant reds, whites, and blues
Disclaimer: this post and the subject matter and contents thereof - text, media, or otherwise - do not necessarily reflect the views of the 8kun administration.