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File: c6ea1d33579ebca⋯.jpg (153.37 KB, 1199x864, 1199:864, 1200px-Superabsorber_Hydro….jpg)

 No.85059

I want to make a thread about advanced tech in diapers. Innovations and optimizations in the design of diapers that makes them better than what we have today. Ill start with my own idea. In the next post.

Basically, what I’m looking for are ways to make diapers *work* better. I’m not terribly interested in what kind of designs we put on them for example. Also, don't be afraid to field an idea that is "out there". (see gigantic multi-paragraph proposal I am about to post below this) What I don't want are things that are more than just difficult or potentially impractical, but literally impossible. That means things like "a magic diaper you can poop in 1258 times and never have to change" or anything including the word "nano-bots" is gonna get the veto, and does not belong in this thread. (unless you do research in nano-tech, and you know something I don't, and that thing is very close to having practical, consumer ready applications. Spoiler alert: you don’t.) Basically, if there is ANY kind of possibility that an idea might work, or even a part of an idea might work, feel free to tell us about it.

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 No.85062

>>85059

So I was thinking about what the biggest drawback to disposable diapers are. Things that came to mind were the energy used to manufacture, the amount of waste created, and the total cost. The second of those two is probably the more public issue, being the whole "diapers are filling up our landfills" scare. (In reality, diapers make up only ~2% by volume of the stuff going into landfills. To put that in perspective, ~50% comes from either yard waste or paper waste, (I cant remember which) one of which is totally recyclable and the other is compostable. If people REALLY cared about landfill space, (which we actually have no shortage of) they would focus on anything but diapers) The first issue is energy consumption. Diapers are made of several different materials, including plastics, fabric/cloth backing, sometimes adhesives, pigments, filler material, elastics, and most importantly, hydrogel. hydrogel is the stuff that actually does all the absorption. (the filler might absorb a little bit, but its mostly there to distribute the liquid over as much hydrogel as possible so it absorbs faster and doesn't leak when one spot gets saturated but everywhere else is mostly dry) All of these components require chemical processing to produce. That takes energy. Energy is produced by burning fossil fuels. Burning fossil fuels releases carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. This in turn alters climate, increasing the chance that my house will be destroyed by a tornado, hail storm, hurricane, etc.

The advantage of reusable diapers is that they solve all of these problems. (in theory at least. First, while they do take up less landfill space, but we have already established that that is not a problem, and if it was a problem, eliminating diapers would not be the solution. Second, the total carbon footprint of a disposable diaper vs. a reusable diaper has been debated extensively, and there does not appear to be a clear winner. This is mostly from the very high carbon footprint of washing a cloth diaper hundreds of times. They do however have a lower lifetime cost.) So why dont people use reusable diapers? because they dont work as well and are a pain in the ass.

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 No.85063

>>85062

(2/3)

So I thought, "why not make a diaper that uses hydrogel like a disposable, but can be re-used like a cloth diaper?" The short answer to this question is basically "because thats a horrible idea and it wont work. for a diaper to be reusable, you have to get all of the stuff going into it back out of it before you can use it again, you have to do so without destroying the product, and you have to be able to do it many, many times without significant degradation in performance." Indeed, if you put a disposable diaper in a washing machine, it will not end well. And while you CAN dry out hydrogel, it wont get rid of the stuff inside of it (specifically, urine components that are not water, and fecal components) without washing it, which we have established is something you cant do to a disposable diaper.

This is where I want to look at the diaper market as two parts, the first being baby diapers, and the second being AB/DL. Because I think I might at least have a limited solution to this, but it wont be practical for the baby diaper market. I think that we might be able to figure out a way to clean a reusable diaper made with hydrogel effectively so long as we dont need to worry about getting rid of poop. This could be marketed to the AB/DL crowd with the caveat that you can only wet it, not mess in it. Im envisioning a product that is really sturdily built so it would be durable, but still have the massive bulk/absorbancy ratio that a disposable diaper has. AND, most importantly, since it is reusable, it would be cheaper over the long run than buying disposable AB/DL diapers. It would either be washed/dried in an ordinary washer dryer, or potentially have a device designed specifically for that purpose. This would depend on exactly how the cleaning process works.

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 No.85064

>>85063

(3/3)

What I have in mind on that front is still a work in progress. One idea involves using salt. Hydrogels work using so called hydrogen bonding. This occurs in water when a compound bonds to the hydrogen atoms due to the fact that a small region of net positive charge forms there. Its not nearly as strong as a true molecular bond, but its strong enough to be useful. A hydrogel works because it is able to create hydrogen bonds very easily with water, effectively binding the water molecules into its own crystal structure. This process can be disrupted if impurities are added. Salt for example will significantly disrupt hydrogen bonding. (this includes salt in your urine. thats why a diaper will hold much less urine than it would pure, distilled water) My idea is to somehow use salt to disrupt the hydrogen bonds in an already used diaper so that all the moisture it absorbed is expelled, and it reaches its new "maximum capacity" with only a very small amount of water in it. Next, you use water (or possibly something else) to wash all the other urine components out of the diaper. (without removing the salt at the same time) The only thing left to do at that point is to figure out how to get the salt out AFTER all the other impurities are gone.

Its possible Im making this more difficult than it needs to be, and you might actually just be able to throw a cloth level durability hydrogel diaper in the washing machine. There is a product called "peejamas" that appear to be reusable diapers built into pyjama pants. It is unclear to me however, if they use hydrogel or simply absorbent fabric. If anybody knows more about these, or have tried them, please let me know. Here is there website: https://www.peejamas.com/

Anyway, let me know what you think about this!

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 No.85067

>>85064

While the website I looked at does in fact have an interesting product, it is not the one I thought it was. It does appear to be fabric based. THIS is the one I was talking about, called "Pjama". https://www.pjama.co.uk/

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 No.85150

>>85064

>Anyway, let me know what you think about this!

It's shit.

It's not unsound, but requires a lot of investment and infrastructure that is already satisfied by cloth diapers. You're better off trying to improve cloth than make disposables re-usable. the entire point of disposable diapers is that they avoid washing and other care.

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 No.85158

>>85150

>>85059

I really think the market for things like dry 24/7s and abriform size 4 would get some more serious credibility. I'm just tired of everything being fake underwear

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 No.85171

I hate this kind of crap personally. Even if you're not an AB and just have the diaper fetish, why would you not be attracted to diapers as they are? It's like having a panty fetish and wanting some bizarre futuristic space panties that clean themselves, tell the time, and upload your farts to Twitter. I don't get it.

All I want is adult diapers that are exact replicas of Pampers. Simple as that.

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 No.85172

>>85158

Idea: cloth diapers with a disposable liner.

except I think this has already been done

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 No.85197

>>85172

That could be a good idea. My biggest issue with ABDL diapers right now honestly is that they are just so expensive.

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 No.85200

>>85064

what's the point of all this? none of this would be practical or cost effective. just buy normal disposables, Christ. or if you're a faggot environmentalist then buy reusables. fuck, my diapers don't even go to landfill. all the garbage in my county goes to an incinerator.

>>85171

fuckin' a.

>adult diapers that are exact replicas of Pampers

this shit is the abdl equivalent of "brown manual RWD diesel wagon". not that i don't agree with you

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 No.85201

>>85172

yep, they're called goodnites trufit

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 No.85283

File: 38307a4f89d30f3⋯.jpg (32.92 KB, 577x245, 577:245, volvo-wagon.jpg)

>>85200

All I can think of is a beat to shit diesel Volvo wagon.

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 No.85288

>>85283

>245

Good taste!

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 No.85303

>>85200

>"brown manual RWD diesel wagon"

There are a lot of people who want exactly this out of life and very little else.

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 No.85304

>>85172

Not only is it common to do this, and also >>85201 but also there's a US company that markets a disposable intended to not be changed when wet; instead, it's a disposable semi-permanent liner for their pads. So, like, you open the re-fastenable "disposable" to change the liner.

Also Tena makes a stretchy pant for their pads to go in. A lot of other modern vinyl pants are made for adopting dispoable pads rather than cloth diapers, too.

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 No.85333

>>85062

This landfill issue is unique to USA and other developing countries, which refuse to follow rest of the developed world and install incineration plants and use them to drive steam turbines for extra benefit.

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 No.85398

>>85303

Unless your me and want a LS chassis 3rd gen integra with a manual tranny and DOHC vtech.

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 No.91080

I saw a Pampers commercial where they were advertising a 3 absorbancy chamber diaper. Doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of the hydro gel which is to distribute the urine? I can imagine only 2 chambers getting filled and leaking before the the third one gets anything.

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 No.91083

I have to agree with the above comments about the whole point of disposables. Why pour all that time, money and effort into making a "reusable disposable" which is a huge oxymoron anyway? Also you're limiting the functionality of the diaper by putting the caveat that you can't mess it, which is gonna be a huge limiting factor for a lot of people.

My ideal diaper is one that can be worn for several days without needing to change. We're talking absorbency out the wazzoo, like 20,000 ml or more, with enough space to allow ample mess to build up. In addition, to ensure the person doesn't get rash, a barrier cream that can protect the skin for like a week would be necessary. This is stuff that's possible in theory but so "out there" that there will never be enough resources put into making it a reality, unfortunately.

There's obviously no practical purposes to this other than satisfying my boner for absurdly full diapers, but isn't the whole point of ABDL diapers to satisfy sexual desires anyway? They were never meant to be practical or economical; they're a luxury product for people with money who have a weird fetish. I love discussing how we can use science to make our bizarre fantasies more attainable, but not so much how we can be "eco friendly" about it. So while I commend your effort to be innovative, nobody is really in this for the practicality. We're all just trying to get off, and a "reusable disposable" that is more environmentally friendly but has limited functionality doesn't exactly make my penis the big penis.

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 No.91090

>>85333

If incinerator were to be build someone would say the co2 from it would end the world…

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 No.91093

>>85398

> a LS

stopped reading there, got triggered

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 No.91095

>>91080

How are the chambers laid out? Are they layered on top of each other, middle and sides, front middle back, some weird radial pattern?

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 No.91096

>>91083

I wonder how difficult it is to make your own disposable? The hardest part is probably making the seams elastic/water tight

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 No.91105

File: e4a5a004452f08b⋯.pdf (231.92 KB, SDS_Waste-Lock_PAM.pdf)

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>>91096

I did some research on materials. SAP seems easy to get but the wood fluff pulp is only available in large $700 rolls. I came up with an alternate solution using a wicking fabric but I don't know how well it would work (pic related). The outer layer could be made from contractor bags or latex ,if you are trying to make a hyper diaper, then seal the seams with stitches and glue or heat maybe

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 No.91115

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 No.91119

>>91115

Looks like the buffers are to prevent the wetness from spreading side to side and diving it front to back

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 No.91129

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File: ff8d2598cf7bdf8⋯.jpg (130.05 KB, 720x809, 720:809, tumblr_pstok3w2MF1us3lqdo2….jpg)

>>91115

Interesting. When are the adult diapers going to adopt this technology?

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 No.91139

>>91129

Totally off topic, but I want to buy a knock-off Hitachi Magic Wand. Good idea for a guy trying to get off in his messy diapers?

Also, where is that left pic from?

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 No.91141

>>91139 takes a couple tries to get used to but yeah its way better you should go for it.

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 No.91148

File: fdcf323701da4fc⋯.jpg (30.66 KB, 370x400, 37:40, 38-Facelle-Diskret-Hygiene….jpg)

>>91129

some Pants and Pull-Ons already use this technology.

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 No.91150

>>91139

If you’re going to get one, spend the money for a real one. Most of the bootlegs aren’t strong enough to use with diapers. It’s only 80$ or so.

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 No.91234

>>91139

>>91150

While a proper hitachi is really nice for getting off, I've made good use of even cheapo vibrators for the same purpose. Takes a little more pushing and effort, but its still doable. I imagine even a knock off hitachi is fine.

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 No.91237

>>91234

Thanks, i'll order one next time i'm buying diapers.

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 No.91238

File: 0a5bcd1d38401eb⋯.png (1.19 MB, 834x1238, 417:619, 59ff2d582f570c9a19ecc23692….png)

I just want an adult diaper that's cloth backed but absorbant like baby diapers/plastic backed diapers and affordable. If possible I would love something akin to a luvs or huggies but in a size large enough and discreet enough to wear for hours. Also if its breathable perhaps something made for hot weather too.

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 No.91242

>>91238

ABU Preschools?

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 No.91285

I just want an adult diaper that's cloth backed but absorbant like baby diapers/plastic backed diapers and affordable. If possible I would love something akin to a luvs or huggies but in a size large enough and discreet enough to wear for hours. Also if its breathable perhaps something made for hot weather too.

>>91242

Like those but actually super absorbant and on the cheaper end.

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 No.91294

>>91285

I've got some bad news. If they were more absorbent, they would cost even more. The preschools are probably the best you are likely to get in that style without the price going up even more. Generally speaking, more absorbancy comes from more materials, and more materials means more $$$.

And I found the preschools to be pretty great. ABU ain't what they used to be, since they completely redid all their line a few years back. These aren't the meme days where ABU and their cushies were shit tier absorbancy.

>>91237

To be fair, YMMV, but even the little 2 AA battery powered one works to get me off. Gotta rub up and down more for it to work. The hitachi kinda works by just setting it there.

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 No.91515

>>91285

Tena Slip Ultima. They have a cloth-backed kind, they have great absorbency, and they're pretty cheap.

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 No.91516

File: acb6437315d100f⋯.jpg (18.74 KB, 451x451, 1:1, IMG_20190724_020911_140.jpg)

>>91515

Hmmm thanks for the advice my dude.

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 No.95616

>>85064

There's an application: space.

They used to use UCDs, a valve, tube, and bag, with the valve on the end of a condom-like sheath. But those were crap and didn't work for women so women started using diapers (DACT - Disposable Absorbant Containment Trunks) and they started to catch on with male astronauts because they are way more reliable than UCDs were. Now MAGs (Maximim Absorbancy Garment) are standard and UCDs are no longer a thing.

This is fine if you need only pack a few, but it's not so fine when you may need hundreds or more, such as long-duration missions to Mars, where you need to pack enough for some-odd 2-3 years with over a year on the Martian surface.

Of course obviously there's "toilets" in the spacecraft, but over more than a year you're looking at a lot of EVAs.

That's just a mission, though, for a colony or base it's an even bigger issue.

So the requirements are:

1. Reusable

2. Highest capacity possible, preferably 16-24 hours of someone well-hydrated

3. Require the least amount of complexity/infrastructure possible to clean.

Bonus if it's relatively easy to manufacture so a colony could make them with fabric mills and machine shops.

One idea I had was basically a thick cloth diaper but made in layers with a hot/dry air diffuser running into it. You'd have to plug it in to the spacesuit (they already do that with the LCVG) but it could blow dry air in the diaper's absorbant area to dry it so it can take more.

But I think that might just stain and not actually help?

What about a water hose to rinse, then the air dries it out? Though that might not be practical, either.

Might just have to go cloth with SAP pad inserts, I dunno. The inserts could give you capacity approaching a big disposable while taking way less room to store, but it's still perishable.

I'd really like to know if maybe you could just make a strong diaper that can be rinsed, washed and dried. Some way of getting the contaminants out.

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 No.95631

File: 38bc4f570eabf53⋯.png (112.13 KB, 570x617, 570:617, 1589464579107.png)

>>91515

>>91285

>cloth-backed

enjoy your crumpy, sagging and uncomfy "diaper", I guess.

Cloth-backed sucks, and not in a good way.

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