No.603
Do you believe in an organized cadre of elites that covertly influence opinion to serve their ends? If so, why, and who do you think they are?
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No.604
I thought it was common knowledge that Jewish Freemasons and Illuminati hold massive influence via the banks and media?
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No.605
It seems very obvious to me that there are hidden groups of people who have been orchestrating world events for the past century or so.
There is a series of factual statements with which most (if not all) people can agree that, when seen together corroborate my position:
Political power is concentrated on the hands of a very small minority.
Economic power is concentrated on the hands of a very small minority.
Politics and economics are very closely related, sometimes being indistinguishable.
The two previously mentioned groups greatly overlap and influence each other.
Every government keeps secrets from its citizens, no matter how "free" or "democratic".
In order to achieve a position of relevant power (of any sort)in the world, one must deal with different interest groups and owe a lot of favors.
Many people in power are members of exclusive (and sometimes secretive) clubs and societies, the purpose of which is mainly networking and mutual cooperation.
These powerful people have control over the main forces that mold our behavior and opinions (news, education, art, entertainment).
People are losing their individual freedom in every way that matters.
Nearly everyone will agree with almost all of these statements, but once you force them to look at them as a whole they enter in denial and start to rationalize comfortable excuses for the current situation.
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No.606
>>604When I was younger I'd look at videos on Youtube about the illuminati. It was always the bluepill-tier stuff, though - aliens, reptillians, tupac isn't dead, etc. I found /pol/ a year or two ago, and never really gave the illuminati much thought. I'd pretty much accepted that it was tinfoil by that point, so you can imagine my surprise when I did some serious reading into the topic and found that they and the masons were genuinely responsible for most (all?) societal changes and important events of the last 300 years. It sort of makes me think that the genuine lunacy propogated on the topic is controlled opposition. David Icke stands out in particular.
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No.607
>>605Nicely put. I feel the same way. It all comes down to the language and scope you choose to employ
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No.608
With the way the world is organized, it'd be rare that this societies would cease to exist. In these western societies everything moves towards centralization and control.
People often get caught in the pointless discussion of "x" or "y" politic and they don't notice that's the trap that was built for them not to notice the problem is larger than that...
Why they do this? Who can trully answer that? I would guess is thirst for power is the movive for some involved in these societies. But in the higher spheres I would think differently. They really go out of their way to accumulate power, and not just accumulate for the sake of it, they do it in a very sistemetic, extraordinarily well planned manner, as to reasure they are always ahead and able to keep their rol. USA really stands out from the rest of the countries. Why a thousand military bases? Why perpetual wars? Why false flags? Why half of it's history's been keept from the public? Why is it's deep state so huge? There's something else, something huge going on behind closed doors.
What I mean is, this people are not your typical "tyrants", if they were that they would have been exposed to the public already. This are mastermind manipulators of this current system, and as long as things remain unchanged, they will keep pushing their agenda. And if things change, like they did in the past, they are gonna use all their power to adapt.
In order to put an end to them, some radical change would have to be implemented keeping in mind all of what they've done in the past and the complexity of their capabilities.
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No.616
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No.754
I think social organizations are just human nature.
If a bunch of people have similar interests (like a genuine desire to control the world), they're gonna come together with other people who share those interests.
I mean people who like to read join book clubs, why wouldn't people who love power and manipulation make secret societies?
It's not far-fetched at all.
From an existential perspective I don't know how seriously I should take them, though. A lot of that depends on my spiritual beliefs which I am uncertain of.
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No.761
> Do you believe in an organized cadre of elites that covertly influence opinion to serve their ends?
Yes, it's no big secret that every government has a propaganda arm with this as their intended goal.
> If so, why, and who do you think they are?
Some are in it for power. Most "elites" are just useful idiots being manipulated by folks who put out memes like overpopulation or climate crisis; So they put their weight behind solving problems that don't exist or are minor; e.g., genocides in Africa to reduce the unsavory population of 'savages' while depopulating the planet (see also: recent Ebola outbreak of which we have ZERO video of bloody corpses and people with oozing red boils, hence, it's not really Ebola -- which coincides with construction of a trans-African oil pipeline being shopped around to various world powers: "Choose US for your extractive [oil pipeline], or you get no Ebola cure").
The best way to manipulate someone is to convince them they're doing good; All the more better for secret societies if the "good" is a horrible but necessary evil that only the enlightened have the burden of exacting (see also: Bill Gates dumbing down children to be working class via Common Core, but elites like himself don't expose their children to such).
The maintenance of a small elite educated class and a large poorer less educated working class has been ongoing since the beginning of written history.
I'll leave you with this:
"From the days of Sparticus, Wieskhopf, Karl Marx, Trotsky, Rosa Luxemberg, and Emma Goldman, this world conspiracy has been steadily growing. This conspiracy played a definite recognizable role in the tragedy of the French revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century. And now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their head and have become the undisputed masters of that enormous empire."
Winston Churchill, stated to the London Press, in 1922.
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No.876
Bilderberg. I mean, holy fuck, they literally don't even attempt to hide it. Yeah, we're a group of super-powerful individuals who meet up to plan the future of the planet, as noted in our press release. It's every conspiracist's wet dream, except it's not a conspiracy. I guess "hidden in plain sight" really does work.
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No.878
>>876>Except it's not a conspiracyBut it is:
"an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot."What do you think a conspiracy means?
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No.879
>>604Yea, the godlet Saturn
>known as Shabbat to the kikes >known as Satan to the Christians is made incarnate through the Jews, who subvert the Masons.
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No.880
>>879AND WHO WILL SOON BE DESTROYED BY ZEUS PATER
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No.888
>>603Why is the N.R.O never mentioned or featured in any of these infographics showing groups of power? They're basically an amalgamation of all the alphabet soup agencies and receive nearly more funding than all of them combined.
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No.889
>>888Infinity trips speaks.
NRO? National Reconnaissance Office? Like, the ones that launch the biggest rockets in the world while NASA is left out in the cold depending on Russia to get astronauts to orbit?
NRO kicks ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL1dEBZ6VycHell, they had not one or two, but THREE hubble-class telescopes they weren't using anymore and so they just gave them to NASA, like a bigger brother's hand-me-downs.
They also spy on everything from above, and give help with tactics, weather, natural disaster recovery, weather, etc. I don't care if they can see everything from space, I can dig that kind of spying. It's the spying in my home on my own hardware that I'm averse to. We could defund all those 3 letter agencies and give NRO the money and be even more situationally prepared for anything important.
Their insignias are also full of symbolism.
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No.890
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No.997
"Conspiracy theories" are a mathematical inevitability. Power is a positive feedback loop; the more of it you have, the better-positioned you are to gain further power. Control of civilization will always end up in the hands of a successful few. It's as obvious as cogito ergo sum.
As for who and why, I'm sticking with Occam's Razor; no lizardmen or sunships, at least until hard evidence emerges. We are controlled by a human elite, and their goal is to maintain and expand their power base. This elite is comprised of those in the upper echelons of 'open' power structures; governments, intelligence agencies, corporations, et cetera. They communicate and plan through more discreet organizations; Bilderberg, Trilateral, Freemasonry... I'm sure you've heard the names. Somebody with a taste for theater has probably set up an Illuminati. Arguing over which group is in control is pointless, because they all serve the same purpose; as a forum for power to converge. Individuals might jockey for position, but the broad aim of the elite - subversion of the freedom of the masses - will be unchanged.
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No.998
One thing I'm doing is building a list of conspiracies that turned out to be true. So far I've got:
Operation Mockingbird
Operation Northwoods
Operation Mongoose
Operataion Ajax
COINTELPRO
Edgehill
Bullrun
MKULTRA
JTRIG
PRISM
If you know of any others, post them here.
Note that the whole point of this list is to sway those who claim conspiracies never happen. Every entrant has to be accepted as true by mainstream media. As such, I don't want to hear about jet fuel, the Jews, or anything else you claim "is just so obvious"; they don't belong on this list, regardless of their actual accuracy. It's popular perception that counts.
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No.1002
>>889The NRO does come crazy SIGINT to.
They have satellites that can basically intercept any signal between earth and space with massive football field sized antennas.
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No.1003
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No.1029
>organized
>elites
>influence opinion to serve their ends
The only thing like that that I believe in the existence of is liberalism/left-wing media control
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No.1031
>>1029Isn't that a form of organized effort to influence opinion?
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No.1034
>>1029Conspiracies theories do have to be, y'know, conspiracies. People holding political beliefs isn't a conspiracy unless they're doing so secretly.
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No.1036
>>879pic related
>>888>>889they're having a hard time even photographing the black knight satellite
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No.1120
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No.1121
>>889>biggest rockets in the world while NASA is left out in the coldThe Saturn V can lift 118,000 kg into LEO, the Delta IV (Heavy) can lift 28,790 kg into LEO. The Saturn V can lift over 4 times the weight. While it can currently lift the most, it still isn't the biggest ever. - NASA had that!
But yeh point taken...
N.B. Russia rockets are the most efficiant yet built... I think they had a 20% power to weight increase over anythign the USA could make!
Due to in part special alloys developed to not burn in pure oxygen at silly temp and pressures... normaly able to eat through many inches of solid stainless steel or any other steel in seconds! - interesting side note.
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No.1126
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No.1222
>>754Your spiritual beliefs need not be uncertain, friend. Do you know of those who see angels as angels, and demons as demons? Then there are those who see both as aliens associated with 'positive' or 'negative' connotations.
Words are only yours alone if you choose and what you choose to define them as is also. But more importantly I think it is important to understand your mind first before trying to understand others, and their beliefs. One must be able to see this all as being real on any level. Dismissing anything in this world of deception is purely foolish but then again so is falling for deceit, isn't it?
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No.1223
>>889>subscribing to big daddy who makes his little brothers do his dirty work Alphabet soup is nasty and their adherence to secrecy is a disgusting detriment to the future of humanity and mankind.
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No.1224
>>1223I cannot help but wonder how a state would work if it had no espionage apparatus.
I can see a government where transparency would be absolute, and both the citizens and the governments of other nations could inspect the expenditure of every last penny. Where research projects would be open to the public, and therefore only dedicated to improving the life of human beings. Where discussion, either between foreign and national leaders or between business and government representatives would be publicly broadcasted.
With no secrets, there would be no reason to spy on this country, and it would be impossible to claim that they have nefarious plans of war or terrorism. Propaganda would be nullified by the publicly available truth, and accusations could be easily dismissed. The would spy on no one, because the people would not accept for deception to be made in their name, and our government assets would be clearly labeled as such.
To say that such a country is likely to ever exist is sadly delusional.
What do you mean by using both "humanity" and "mankind"?
Are you referring to "humanity" as the intrinsic characteristic that makes us human, and "mankind" as the collection of our species?
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No.1227
>>1224Yes I am referring to it in the way you described but I could have said human kind to be more specific I suppose. Mankind is just ingrained into the consciousness as though it meant all humans and I use it sometimes. But why is such a thing delusional? This kind of thinking poses a dangerous idea that we must impose limits of some kind for everything; including our own mind and its thoughts. I do not think it is good for us as a species to simply accept something cannot be, because, if we did then I'm certain we'd never have gotten very far would we? But wonder on about how such an interesting idea could take place in our reality, friend. That is simply better than to have never allowed the idea to breathe at all, so to speak.
Also the reason I mentioned humanity in the manner of the characteristics that make us human is because our current path suggests there's been a slow deterioration of these qualities due to how we are progressing as a whole.
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No.1235
The posts here about inevitable feedback loops and common sense statements are above par, for this topic.
That said, there are a few strands of real conspiracy of a more subversive and deliberate nature than even they imply.
Bear in mind that, historically, occult politics would be seen as central to psychopolitics.
Returning to inherent dynamics in (human) Nature, the old elemental system is illuminating.
Fire is subtler, faster, and works at degrees of more rapid and expansive organisation. It spreads out through the upper regions, corresponding in human society to those whose brains are filled with a lust for the mental, the conceptual, the tactical-- the fiery. More earthen people are slower, less liable to be able to fit or flit into expansive and structural organisations and currents of reality.
Earth is transparent to fire, but fire is invisible to Earth. Water and emotion doesn't clarify what Fire is doing. Airy/intellectual reality forms the structure which mediates reality, but it doesn't SEE and SPARK as fire and those with minds of its nature do.'
Society naturally stratifies along cognitive lines. The old elemental system is a cognitive system. Masonry is an allegory about the nature of this stratification. Especially when you understand Masonry's connection to blood.
Anyway, leaving all that aside: if you come to truly understand the nature and history of our financial system, you'll see that it is inextricable from both our core conception of the physical nature of reality and occult manipulations of that conception stretching back thousands of years. The conspiracy is vast, and old, and the harder you test it and all of your thoughts, the realer it will become to you.
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No.1641
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No.1642
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>>1641
yup
We're talking about UFOs though not aliens.
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No.1692
>>889
About the Hubble thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX-QOUzCoks
>>1121
Russian rockets are so efficient because of closed cycle engines which run at chamber pressures unheard of in rest of the world. This can be accomplished thanks to those alloys you mentioned. US deemed closed cycle too unsafe and moved on but Soviets had to do it because they didn't have the economics to just scale things up. After lots of exploded test engines they eventually made it really reliable. US didn't believe the numbers when they discovered those engines after the fall of USSR. Now they power some US top secret launches. Different conditions breed different technology.
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No.2064
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No.2065
>>1641
Well, it's declassified because you can built that thing out of scrap metal in your garage.
If the US gov agencies are really retarded enough to work on the principles of Relativity, the designs would look allot like Schauberger's contraptions (Which are absolutely incredible).
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No.2185
Assuming a conspiracy level elite that controls not only worldwide military, intelligence and security operations but also corporations, banks and media, as well as public opinion, how could it ever even be combated?
Typically, combat is always fought with similar weapons on both sides, in a war both sides use guns and artillery, nuclear warfare is fought with nuclear strategies, in politics "both sides" use propaganda. In a conspiracy, assumably similar groups to those used in the government would have to be assembled in order to effectively combat each group in its own game.
Obviously, any fringe groups aware of the conspirators aren't capable of producing the same intelligence agencies or think tanks corporations and governments have access to, and if they were under the constant surveillance of the conspirators lapdogs it would be impossible to even effectively theorise a violent solution for anyone besides an individual acting alone, let alone actually managing to pull off assassinations against high profile targets.
This leaves media, public opinion and occult practises for any opposition, however two of these would be propped up and controlled by the conspiracy and the other is not only very esoteric, but exceptionally challenging to accomplish anything in, especially against targets aware of the occult.
As MSM and public opinion would be controlled indirectly by the conspirators, these would be the best targets for any sort of resistance. Occult avenues could be useful if fringe groups were to collaborate with the media wing of the opposition, however I can see no way for a counter group to intelligence operations without being branded as terrorists or traitors (or at least just simply incredibly suspicious) for attempting to compromise national security. As for think tanks and the actual conspirator meetings themselves, no other fringe groups have the resources to produce a similar structure designed to work against them.
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No.2188
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>>2185
>Assuming a conspiracy level elite that controls not only worldwide military, intelligence and security operations but also corporations, banks and media, as well as public opinion, how could it ever even be combated?
You have to figure out the secrets they know, and choose the good side.
What they know, if they know, allows them to move reality around them and since reality is a collective experience of God, or the one, we all experience it as well.
Think of it as a pile of marbles in water, and a few of those marbles have figured out how to make themselves weigh less.... over time they shift to the top of the pile.
At what cost though?
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No.2251
>>603
Covert? Not all all.
Domhoff's work on Interlocking Directorates might interest you
https://books.google.com/books?id=Qs0DAQAAIAAJ&hl=en
>>608
>muh gummint
jesus, you're fucking stupid. gb2/pol/ fucktard.
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No.2316
/pol/ was right.
It really was the Jews all along.
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No.2329
>>2316
I wonder... The Redshields seem very high up. If they were to go, would Jews cease to be a major nuisance? I mean, nobody has much cared about Austria since the Habsburgs fell into irrelevance...
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No.2355
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No.2367
>>889
why does the third pic look like some deviantart bullshit
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