/32/ - Psychopolitics

I cannot agree with any of your 3 assertions

I agree with the first two. We'll be seeing more applied memetics in the future; the Hillary memes were uninspiring, bland copies of homemade Trump memes. I really have a hard time seeing anywhere America can go but down. The battle lines are already being redrawn with neo-progressives versus Trumpian nativists.

>>3229

*don't; I only agree with the third point.

>>3231

I see conspiracy theories as unearthing grains of truth just as religions do. It's useful to think of them as being hypothetical or thought experiments; besides self-loathing we need an enemy however real or imagined. It does not hurt to be skeptical - to be on guard against any kind of conspiracy even if it's some lowly design made in the local political scene of your own backyard. Have you never dreamed of starting your own cabal? I don't believe the world has ever witnessed total control by one clique. If that was the case, they could display an unremitting show of force instead of domineering from the shadows and everyone would still be paralyzed. To deny that psychological warfare and the normalization of certain convenient values isn't happening would be folly though. Humans must learn to master our fear to advance higher. Returning to the OP's points, there were Wise Men before Kissinger and there will be after he dies. Humans are fallible. We don't live in a democracy; we live in a democratic repubic. True democracy can only exist within certain limitations and is not possible in our modern time with overpopulation. Trump is no true danger to the elites being one himself. Was T.R. able to throw them off, being a "traitor to his class?" Moneyed interests are comprised of the most adaptable people and will always survive in one form or another.

>>3250

This the most intelligent answer I've read in this forum in a long while. Agreed with almost everything you said. It is refreshing to hear an opinion that is not embedded in paranoia and selective ignorance...

Kudos, fella. Any reading material you'd recommend.

>>3213

I agree the nobody is actually in charge but (and this is something works like LOGH make very clear) some people simply want power at any cost or consequence

Hillary's bullying-based campaign was the result of bullying being successful for almost 20 years of political "debate". Race-baiting and guilt-tripping has been a successful tactic since I have memory and only very recently some people are managing to counter it, but only some and in niche circles. In the mainstream someone can still pull the race card and force to you apologize because "reasons"

Another thing: the liberal/left/progressives/whatever they are called now have literally learn jack shit from these elections, and in any case have become extremely aggressive to the point I wouldn't be surprised if left-wing terrorism surfaces like it did in other countries. Groups like blm already basically fall in that category, but I'm talking about bombings and shit like that, not amateur crap like breaking windows and stopping cars

I don't think representative democracy works for the simple fact that the representatives are not forced to comply with the wishes of their voters, not even to fulfill campaign promises. On the other hand direct democracies like switzerland's are far more reliable, which is why that country has been stable for centuries.

As for conspiracies, well conspiracies are a thing, the legal system even recognizes conspiracies as a crime because conspiracies do happen. Problem is they are never nearly as elaborated as the crazies both in the right and the left make them look like. In LOGH we see plenty of conspiracies taking place which are based on historical conspiracies between individuals to gain power, but compared to tinfoil hat stuff they are very simple. And thats because real conspiracies are simple. The leaders of the alliance in LOGH went to war due to the upcoming elections, just like hillary was doing with russia.

Pol wanted to convince people that Gamergate was because of marxists trying to control kids through vidya but in reality it was just a bunch of hacks who couldn't even write clickbait listicles for huffpo trying to get more money from game studios by selling reviews, or investing in games they were then going to review and give awards to so they could make money off increased sales due to hype. The 5 guys were literally 5 fucking losers desperate for pussy so they gave 10/10s to a text adventure full of typos written by a trailer trash chick who will suck a mean dick with a smegma eating grin. Digra were a bunch of academic cucks trying to get more grants using vidya, the darpa connection was feeble at best and we all know gov agencies love to burn tax payer's money because they are not held accountable for any results

>>3271

>I don't think representative democracy works

It is not a matter of whether it works but whether it is better compared to other systems. Also the success of a political system is directly tied to the culture it is applied to and other geopolitical factors. We cannot compare a country in the heart of Europe with countries in Africa, or with world super powers like America and Russia.

It is exactly this inability to find the correct solution that leads us to treat the symptom instead of the decease. As for the Gamergate example, of course it wasn't about marxists trying to brainwash kids, but this is one of the outcomes should Gamergate hadn't happened.

Also, even though a full social, political, economical system cannot be described, things can be done about most of the causes you describe. Perhaps they are not root causes but they will need to fixed so as to get out of the way and expose whatever lies beneath.

>a bunch of hacks who couldn't even write clickbait listicles for huffpo trying to get more money from game studios by selling reviews, or investing in games they were then going to review and give awards to so they could make money off increased sales due to hype.

Sjws try to downplay it constantly but the exposure of such tactics leads to much greater public awareness. GG did wonders as as far as identity politics go. The academic angle didn't really go anywhere but with the current value of degrees, especially humanities one's, it didn't even need to.

>>3251

I'm flattered. I have to apologize for taking a week to reply. I've been checking this thread daily and saw your post almost immediately, but my anxiety that continues to debilitate me kept me from answering. I have no formal education beyond high school, and my mind is dissipated from brain fog where I have trouble doing simple mental arithmetic or finding that word on the tip of my tongue. I hope you understand my apprehension. You deserve a well thought out answer though, and I can forestall no longer even though I don't have a clear-cut one to offer you e.g. read this canon of literature.

Unfortunately, I am unread, one might say illiterate even. However, I live on the internet as a lurker and so read a great deal. On imageboards, I seek anons' "redpilled" sentiments and infographics and the occasional enlightening comment or copypasta that manages to hook onto some common unease about the zeitgeist that I've been unable to elucidate which I promptly save. Occasionally you get a nugget all nicely wrapped up like >>>1749 that's great food for thought. I like to save quotes or sayings which are valuable as axioms and turn them over in my mind as well. I think you'll like Don Colacho's aphorisms available online.

I read a fair amount of articles that I usually stumble across spontaneously (one article links or refers to something I search for which leads me to another). Most of them are not news articles proper. I favor the meta: social commentary or editorials on the topics of the day. It's difficult to be presented with the facts of a news item say straight from AP or Reuters and know how to interpret it and MSM is all too biased with the intended audience being the hysterical masses trapped in their filter bubbles. This is why I try to find opinionated points of view that still mostly push the neoliberal, globalist narrative but nevertheless are respectable because they are written for a more mindful reader and provide rich context. There is a traditional saying in my language along the lines of overeducation leads to craftiness so you want to drink from the wellspring of higher discourse like the policy wonks. I am wary of articles whose headlines are a question or are crudely overtly biased. When you read an article which no doubt is colored in some way, it is helpful to be skeptical of its position, that is, to take the opposite view - the truth of the matter will generally be somewhere in between. This shouldn't be very difficult for a contrarian imageboard user.

It's difficult to keep an open mind since everyone has their own pet ideology of sorts so I read everything from The Atlantic to The American Conservative to /leftypol/ to /pol/ to Catholic Thomists to Dark Enlightenment blogs to anti-Semitic blogs. I stop short of hardcore conspiracy theorists and happening-focused discussion like GamerGate though; I'm more concerned with broad trends. The following are some websites I find interesting that are relatively high quality (I've only had a cursory look at them though):

https://theconversation.com/us

https://www.bigquestionsonline.com/

http://www.frontporchrepublic.com/

http://bleedingheartlibertarians.com/

http://www.americanthinker.com/

http://www.pewresearch.org/

http://toomuchonline.org/

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/

http://www.theabsolute.net/ (Some guy's personal site for philosophy stuff)

https://publicintelligence.net/ (Info dump)

http://www.wrmea.org/ (Middle East)

http://www.blupete.com/ (Lawyer's private site of great Western essays)

https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/forum.php

http://junkerhq.net/MGS2/Text.html (Hideo Kojima predicted our future, the present)

http://johnderbyshire.com/ (The Derb)

http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/

http://www.medialens.org/

I avoid punditry like e-celebs and podcasts out of my dislike for intellectual middlemen. I also steer clear of "rationalist" websites: for all their fancy semantics I think they're a dead end time waster. Personally I'm a moderate who finds himself allergic to vitriolic reporting because I already find myself pulled in all different extremes. Some might say I am intellectually dishonest, because I sometimes refuse to look at the "facts" and ground myself arbitrarily in the center artificially and often independent of better reasoning. I say that keeps me sane, but I digress.

Here are some alternative news outlets I've compiled:

Unz Review

Soylent News

The Intercept

Counterpunch

Znet

Truthdig

Truthout

endthelie.com

ithp.og

disinfo.com

therealnews.com

adbusters.org

sott.net

thefreethoughtproject.com

countercurrentnews.com

projectcensored.org

thebaffler

propublica.org

I hoped what I had to say wasn't TL;DR if you ever see this. Maybe if we are really agreeable we might talk on https://hack.chat sometime. My current favorite book is The Education of Karl Witte. The board hasn't let me post in several days, just this one.

>>3278

>I stop short of hardcore conspiracy theorists...

You mean like posters around here and GLP, or guys like David Icke?

I think even hardcore 'crazy' conspiracy theorists can have a revolutionary idea once in a while. Most of those publications you list are in the deadlock of 'It matters who gets elected'.

>>3280

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. If there are relevant truths in the media, it stands to reason that they're going to be very subtle. Somehow one must master the meta. I'm not aware of a publication that deals in straight talk that isn't patronizing towards a pseudo-intellectual audience. Why would someone bother to spoonfeed people who are expected to think deeply on their own? There is no hope for those who require an imposition of thought to find the truth. Tell me of a worthy publication, and I'll gladly look into it.

>>3281

>If there are relevant truths in the media, it stands to reason that they're going to be very subtle.

Because they don't want you to know about them?

>I'm not aware of a publication that deals in straight talk that isn't patronizing towards a pseudo-intellectual audience.

I guess an intelligent audience has no where else to turn, unless willing to do a stint among the conspiracy theorists; of which there are a few intelligent publications, but

>There is no hope for those who require an imposition of thought to find the truth

Sounds like something a survivalist might say. Like one trying to start a fire in a wilderness during monsoon, claiming he's to spark the materials to light it all by himself, using his quality flint, else he prove himself hopeless at bushcraft. Yet the hirelings that gather the material for him are giving him rain-soaked firewood to string this effort out according to his determination, and so prolong their hire.

It seems strange to be fixed upon generating fire using sodden material. A good survivalist should be able to gather what he needs using his own eyes and ears, but in this case his entire effort is directed at striking the flint. I imagine this hypothetical guy even has a wooden box of tinder lodged somewhere in a rucksack or pocket that he's forgotten about or never noticed.

>>3231

this is wrong. How does this reconcile with the fact that the alleged conspirators are always part of the opposition?

These people are doing what they feel is their duty to their side, to work towards unearthing any genuine conspiracy by the other to undermine and subvert everything that we stand for. The idea that we are "adrift" or some silly term (juxtaposing that with conspiracy theorist mischaracterizes them as believing we are not simply adrift, but that their are powerful tools to slowly and en masse influence human behavior that are being used by people with agendas) is nowhere near as terrifying is the idea that the other might be succesfully using tools of mass-propaganda to subvert the remnants of us or what we want or have.

You are projecting. When you read or hear something like that, it sounds like the right thing because such a fear seams plausible to us, but as I've pointed out, one of the alternatives, that our enemies are conspiring to affect the course of events is magnitudes more frightening than the slight discomfort of a rudderless world.

Lets see what >>1749 consists of. This year and trump to my mind appear to be another prelude to larger event chain. What is coming is the million tendies question. Memetic subversion through esoterica was either surprisingly effective and the alt-right and /pol/ culture will form a new position to oppose the contemporary leftist establishment with a fairly good rate of success or it was ineffectual but the public themselves already are growing irate which is in a way going to have a similar outcome for different reasons that are altogether more interesting in some ways. I can't say for sure. The west is in a treacherous situation and rage is intensifying both slowly and rapidly at the same time.

>>3213

>/pol/ with their jew question, are way off point.

The jews have declared war on trump and are waging it through their multi-national news corps.

>>3231

>Conspiracies are real but they don't work

What are you saying? Do you know how WWI and WWII started?

>shilling this hard

Trump getting elected doesn't prove shit. There is no hard evidence that he is the anti-establishment guy people wish he was. It is entirely possible -and in light of recent events quite likely- that he is nothing more than a ZOG puppet whose job is to pacify, distract, divide and ultimately destroy the rising numbers of people who are hostile to marxism/globalism/whatever and the continued number of people that don't want the eternal war that is peace.

Go bugger yourself with a cruise missile.

>>3435

>Trump isn't genuine.

No way Jose. You're gunna build that wall and like it or not, you're gunna pay for it too.

>>3436

>le wall meme

>>>/2016/

Trump wants to build wars, not walls. No childish ad-hominem can change that.

LOL OP REKT IN RETROSPEKT

>>3439

>>3436

Fuck off with this retardation. Seriously, go back to your echo chamber.

The 'Trump' you refer to is not a man, but a machine. The presidency is not a dictatorship. He is beholden not only to his supporters, but to the interests of the whole economy.

The presidency is a ceremonial position more than anything else. It's just something for the masses to look at.

What happens in terms of military strikes and policy changes and anything else comes as a result of the will of the economy, not from one man.

>>3383

The jews are just continuing their attacks against what Trump symbolizes to the people they wish to destroy and enslave. There's no news on that front

>>3441

>He is beholden not only to his supporters, but to the interests of the whole economy.

He has a real estate empire and people love his TV show and WWE appearances. How does he need the presidency? He's not some small-fry 'community organiser'.

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