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 No.3156

What is your ideology? Theological, political, philosophical, anything will do. Sell it to me.

Now convince me to throw it away. Explain why I should never believe it.

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 No.3158

all ideologies are a trap that prevent one from any hope of obtaining true knowledge

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 No.3159

>>3156

There is no good and evil, right or wrong, but only the useful and the useless.

Whether one God exists or many is irrelevant, seeing as one can't prove either/or. Instead, adopt a belief system not because you think its right but because you know it will be useful to you, either in developing your character or freeing your intellect.

Reality isn't real and it can be changed in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. Remember to master the physical and the mental.

>Why I should never believe it

Belief implies you're uncertain.

You wouldn't say

>I believe the Sun is hot

Because you can feel its warmth, and therefore you say

>I KNOW the Sun is hot

Where there is the absence of knowledge you will find an abundance of belief. Its better to strive after knowledge, and when something is not provable, rely on your own personal experience.

Remember to not assume your experience is equal to truth or reality; you can not reveal the Truth to others but must only act as a guide, lest you become the very thing we fight.

Good luck.

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 No.3160

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>>3158

Isn't the notion that they are all a trap itself an ideology? You have the belief they are deceptive and the system of rejecting them on that principle. If I were to take this advice I would need to forget everything and learn nothing, wouldn't I? It sounds self-defeating unless you are only talking about ideologies that have a name, an "-ism". Even in that respect, understanding an ideology is not necessarily the same as subscribing to it. Why don't you consider true knowledge to also be an ideology?

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 No.3161

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fence sitters try to understand all perspectives on an issue, and the motivations behind them so they can form a conclusion based on all the information. if you can't reach a justified conclusion, you may reside to inaction particularly if the issue demands a binary perspective. in this respect, you end up behaving like the person who knows nothing.

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 No.3172

>>3160

an ideology is a system; a system is inherently exclusionary. the truth is universal

we may also say that an ideology is a filter (one of very many possessed by the average modern man) which truth passes through and is thus distorted.

the inevitable endpoint of ideologies, if thought out, is basically 'pragmatism' which denies any truth altogether. and of course the ends to which the ideology is the means from a pragmatic standpoint is no end at all. there is no principle to an ideology - they are always based on an arbitrary categorization of things as 'good v. bad'

>I would need to forget everything

>Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven

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 No.3173

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>>3172

There is a difference between being able to change your mind or "deprogram" convictions and being ignorant and paranoid while convincing yourself you are enlightened. The rules of the system determine if it's exclusionary or a "filter". What if the ideology involves believing everything you hear? They're not always about good and bad either, though popular religion often is I suppose.

>I would need to forget everything AND learn nothing

A partial quote is a kind of filter, wouldn't you say? Why do you want to be naive instead of self aware?

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 No.3174

>>3160

What is an ideology? I'd say Marxism, Fascism, Liberalism etc. You seem to be saying ideology is any patchwork of beliefs, it's a bit like you're debating words, like a sophist.

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 No.3175

>>3174

Fair point, semantics will shape an argument. Especially if debating them becomes the argument. At what point is a patchwork of beliefs clarified enough to get a name?

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 No.3176

>>3175

I suppose it gets a name when someone or some group comes along, compiles and presents its themes and information with enough style and persuasion that their explanation becomes the epitome of all similar thought, which is then formally recognised as an -ism. Or maybe not, maybe there's some distinction to be made between ideology and belief, but I can't pick out what it is.

But is conspiracy theory an ideology, a burgeoning ideology or neither?

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 No.3177

>>3176

>between ideology and belief

distinction between ideologies and other types of explanation, I mean.

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 No.3178

Free will doesn't exist, and we are all slaves to physicality from the moment of our conception. This means life is deterministic not fatalistic and we must choose between one of the several paths or fates or destinies available to us as a result of our innate temperament and talents amongst other things, however you call it. We are like a sea captain whose only control over his own ship is the rudder. We cannot define the choices we choose from but are constrained by them as humans are defined by limitation. (((They))) get us from the cradle when it is easy, and we must spend the rest of our lives unlearning the disadvantages that've been imprinted on us. I say be wary of ideologies (adopting facets for a syncretistic point of view is fine) lest you become an idealogue, a slave to thoughts not your own.

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 No.3181

>>3156

I make up my ideology as I go along from my experiences and my own intuition, like a normal human being.

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 No.3183

>>3177

A conspiracy theory is just that: a theory. A mere hypothesis. It seizes being that once there is enough proof, evidence, that said events are in fact correlated and intentionally initiated.

Ideology is a conclusion derived from the study of consistently recurring information. An observation of and perceived cause of consistency in a given loop. Different knowledge means different information which leads to different perceptions and therefore conclusions that lead to and define an ideology.

In other words, new information will need to be introduced, alternation of knowledge and ideology go hand in hand. Can't have one without the other.

>>3178

>Free will doesn't exist

We are however in control of choosing how much risk and strain we are willing to put ourselves in to change something, regardless of what type that might be.

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 No.3184

>>3181

>'like a normal human being'

Making it a point that you're 'like' a 'normal human' that way, implies that its the only respect in which you are like a normal human, or that you are trying to do a brag about being normal and ('human'), which is what abnormal internetised people (excepting imageboards) and bodysnatchers do.

But ok, I bet you're normal...in the collective hive mind of your skin-wearing kin.

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 No.3185

>>3183

How many ideologies do you suppose there are? As many as there are people? You could replace the word 'ideology' in your description for 'reality' or 'idea', and 'loop' with 'life' and it would keep the same meaning.

Given the root meaning of ideology is 'explanation of ideas', it may've been a good way that you put it, but it's vague enough to encompass much else and is essentially metaphysical or deconstructionist.

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 No.3405

>>3156

1. Take action that increases species diversity and thus number of pretty animals

2. Be edgy

1. Do you really trust yourself that much?

2. Don't cut yourself, kid.

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 No.3409

Are you a nihilist if you decide that you aren't qualified to have an opinion on deeply complex ideals?

Are you sitting on the fence if you find that the left and the right are trying to lure you with, on the left, utopian ideals, and on the right

a nostalgic perfectionism.

Complex issues don't have a simple solution we've never been smart enough to solve OR a simple solution we once had but threw away due to degradation.

But we must all be ideologues. We must make a choice or we don't believe in anything. If we aren't on an extreme then we don't believe in anything.

If we aren't always right, then we're always wrong.

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 No.3416

>>3156

you'll throw one ideology out and be too 'drunk' to notice you put 3 back on

>>3181

human beings are innately illogical and fundamentally run on "correlation =/= causation" people that understand said fallacy are immediately skeptical of all correlations and endup correlating correlations as coincidental

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 No.3418

Ideologies are just tools. They are not reality, that's when you get problems when people don't realize that.

I follow Buddhism because it's useful to me, to believe that doing good and good will come back to you. It's not exactly how the world works but it helps me to live my life and gives me opportunities to generate compassion in me and that is what makes people happy. We create our own paradises and hells.

Also meditation. That shit is useful.

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 No.3424

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Im pretty schizophrenic, i can see knowledge in both the philosophers of fascism and communism and anarchism.

Liberalism disgusts me, a servile people maintaining the status quo

Dont get me wrong, there are flaws in communism and fascism too, but reading their thinkers and philosophers makes you think about history differently.

You know, ill read marx, evola, dugin, zizek. and the unabomber.

What you also have to understand is that the people who run the show, the bureaucratic managers that make up the establishment, they have no ideology, they just want power and to maintain the oligarchical status quo.

Who is there to challenge them anyways?

The soviet union is defeated, to them it was the end of history.

The dawning of liberal global capitalism, even china practices capitalism now.

This is all headed to a dystopian cyber punk future, there will be no middle class, just the extremely poor and extremely rich, all living in mega cities, if me an you are alive, we will live in slums.

But we will have our iphones and diversity wont we......

The neoliberals see us all as interchangeable cogs, thats why they support mass immigration, i mean who else is going to raise their kids and wash their clothes for them if trump deports Juanita?

We are an atomized, dehumanize, isolated people, the establishment thinks there is no such thing as society, no such thing as community, race, nations, or borders.

“Like so many Americans, she was trying to construct a life that made sense from things she found in gift shops.”- kurt voneggut, slaughter house five

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 No.3676

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My box is bigger and better than your box.

But, it is after-all just a box.

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