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 No.2437

What role do religions play in matters of manipulation and coercion?

Most anti-religious individuals oppose them because they are supposedly always based on deception of the common people by individuals who hold authority in that belief system (priests and such). The presence of unquestioning dogma forces individuals to change their perceptions of reality in order to fit the established belief system, or is that an unrealistic generalization propagated by the anti-religious? Thomas Aquinas was not against the use of reason to reach conclusions, but in his views reason should always be submitted to faith, and if a rational conclusion conflicted with a revelation of faith, it should be discarded.

On the other hand there are religions and religious beliefs that do not preach a submission to earthly authority, or that do not have a strict dogma. Could these paradigms have any positive effect on people, especially when it came to protecting them from manipulation? Could belief from non-rational sources provide the individual with a stable and permanent point of reference that helps them more than it hinders them?

I think these are questions worth questioning, and I hope this is the right place to ask them.

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 No.3706

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>>2437

What religion does it is it monopolizes the eventual question of god, supernatural rule. Religious institutions make a business of playing the middle-man, but since this role is so imperative to maintaining social cohesion, it becomes much more than a means to profit.

Doctrine comes to imbue society with particular protocols, the idea of sin for example: "For the wages of sin is death", that how you conduct yourself influences the after-life.

So, put your money in the collection plate and when you die, you'll be up in heaven playing badminton with Jesus.

Everyone has a perspective of the after-life, whether or not they are classically religious. Even if the after-life is "nothing" so say the atheists, a notoriously unimaginative group.

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 No.3714

>>2437

Religion is an ancient form of mind control, what's funny now is its effect is happening in the realm of celebrity despite a secular society.

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 No.3797

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>>2437

>Most anti-religious individuals oppose them because they are supposedly always based on deception of the common people by individuals who hold authority in that belief system (priests and such). The presence of unquestioning dogma forces individuals to change their perceptions of reality in order to fit the established belief system, or is that an unrealistic generalization propagated by the anti-religious?

Yes it is. And honestly, in my interactions with both religious and anti-religious people, the anti-religious people almost always spew out cliche talking points they read on r/atheism. They don't realize that they adhere to dogmas too. Everyone who lives believes something. Atheism isn't the absence of belief, it's a belief in absence.

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 No.3823

Science explains the how, while religion provides the why. While the institutions of religion (Roman Catholic church, etc.) can and have at times been subverted to means of mass control, the origin of religion is Man's desire for transcendence. For Abrahamic faiths (I'll say Christianity here), 'the afterlife' is just describing an eternal union (Heaven) or eternal separation (Hell) with the Creator upon death. Basically, we're trying to explain in finite, material terms what we believe happens in the infinite, metaphysical.

>>3706

Not disagreeing, but to add I think that the attraction to religion depends on the individual. While the afterlife is a motive based in an individual's fear of death and the unknown, I'd think that the prime draw to religion is an explanation for why we're here in the first place.

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 No.3831

It’s a lot easier to hijack something than to fabricate it. Instead of inventing a totally non-existent character of Jesus Christ and selling that product to the masses, it makes more sense that the authorities would consolidate already existing paradigms into a single system. The purpose of such a system would be to portray these authorities as divinely sanctioned.

Assimilated paradigms included Mithraism, Greek Neo-Platonism, and Judaism. For instance, the solar/zodiacal elements in Christianity came from Mithraism and related pagan systems. But these are just auxiliary additions, not the core nucleus of Christianity. The nucleus is the original Christian system, which existed alongside the other elements prior to their combined assimilation into an organized religion.

All of these elements were then glued together by the authors of the New Testament, who added various rationalizations, logical sleights of hand, fabricated backstory, and gaudy superstitious elements to create a belief system that would appeal to the widest audience. The Gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John were variations of the same story further customized for Greek, Jewish, and Roman audiences.

Thus the New Testament is a patchwork of truth and lies. The original pre-assimilation Christianity is buried in there somewhere. How can it be found? By stripping away the rationalizations, sleights of hand, superstitious miracles, pagan symbolism, etc… This is done the same way one approaches any potential source of disinformation; you look for logical fallacies and attempts at persuasion that would play into a negative agenda

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 No.3832

>>3831

When those are removed, only the following remain:

The wisdom-teachings of Jesus, including sayings and parables. These do not benefit any human authority, their spiritual worth is self-evident, and they correlate with metaphysical/occult principles.

The Sermon on the Mount, in which Jesus gave Buddhist-like alternatives to the ignorant form of morality and justice espoused in the Old Testament. The spiritual truth of these is also self-evident, or at least testable and observable in life.

Stories of Jesus healing people and casting out demons. These “miracles” are entirely performable by anyone today with the proper knowledge. Healing and negative entity removal are common practices. Contrast this with walking on water, turning water into wine, or bread into fish, which are cheap tricks inserted by the New Testament authors to wow the superstitious.

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 No.3835

>>2437

It's always easier to hijack an idea if its adherents are used to believing it over reason. That's the role religion plays in manipulation.

If you have the Pope declaring that all Christians are spiritually jewish this is true, but "redpilled" Christians disregard this as much as they can then you'll have less Christians willing to oppose Judaism.

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