/32/ - Psychopolitics

Good catch.

Ouch.

I think it's actually counter-propaganda disguised as propaganda. Notice that everything nazi germany says is true and the stuff regular germany says is just cliches. you are supposed to read this and realize you agree with nazi germany. then you feel smart for figuring it out, and so convince yourself you're right.

>>2379

As much as you would like to think that, it's not. in the end, multicultural germany wins. everything is happy.

What you believe is counter-propaganda is actually the assimilation of a strong argument with a bad outcome.

Regardless of how well thought out an argument is, if you paint it in a violent or morally bad tone as the author did, it will convince less educated readers/viewers that the argument is morally bad a large majority of the time.

So, at the most basic level, this is subjgation/intel agency attempting to control an already established (and generally benign) meme.

Where i fall flat on knowledge is Combatting this kind of manipulation.

Do you play on it and make similar/succeeding comics that paint your argument in the right light [example: showing germany entirely populated by refugees 50 years into the future, ect.]

Do you entirely abandon the meme, (as happens with the natural death of memes) And focus on creating new content?

Or do you present an intellectual analysis of people abusing memes, eventually tracing it back?

I read the comic before I completely read your entire post. I must say, while reading it, I went back and forth wondering who the "victor" would be.

Germanball speaks in platitudes and cliches like "peace, progress und prosperity" with the EU flag behind it then about "love and compassion." Then the Naziball only spoke in truths, like the faceless immigrants, degeneracy, and the EU draining the money from German coffers. But in the end, I don't know, it sort of reads like some sort of modern novel, a dramatic irony in which the reader knows something that the characters do not. In this case, that the Naziball was right. Especially given Polandball's rather lackluster support at the end, which only reinforces the "you only care about being liked" point. It's almost like a subversion of the cartoon cliche in which the hero only speaks of "love" and wins in the end.

But then, I am unsure how to feel about the comic as a whole, especially given the ending panel. The ending is what makes me wonder the intention of the artist, it ends in a positive note, which, either highlights the delusion or sides with the Germanball's ideals. Regardless, people who just read the surface level will fall into the "Yay Germany defeating the evil Nazis, hooray for multiculturalism," though looking deeper, I wonder if others will pick up on the "Nazis were right" aspect. Either that or the artist genuinely believes what is espoused by the Naziball is evil, similar to the Black Captain America attacking people who defend the border.

I do wonder about the picture hanging on the wall though, I recognize the flag of the German Empire, but I do not know what the scene depicted actually is.

I must say, the quality of the actual comic made me suspicious.

The other comic posted by the user is about how Switzerland is stricter than Germany. Really can't glean anything meaningful from this.

>>2381

>Do you play on it and make similar/succeeding comics that paint your argument in the right light

This would be a viable tactic. A way to prove everything the Naziball said was true, without directly saying it. Perhaps showing the EU draining the money from Germany and the faceless streets filled with immigrants. Though it will need to reach the same level of exposure as the original to be meaningful in any way.

>Do you entirely abandon the meme, (as happens with the natural death of memes) And focus on creating new content?

New content is always good. Merely altering existing content works to an extent but always the original stands out as stronger. You need to combat very good looking comics like this with some of similar quality. This is thee only way to get the attention of people who just like memes and disregard any deeper meaning and just want to be entertained.

>Or do you present an intellectual analysis of people abusing memes, eventually tracing it back?

That will only work for those people willing to listen to intellectual discourse. Most peoples' eyes will just glaze over. It could reach those intellectuals with an open mind though. It would definitely need to be targeted at them specifically though in order to be successful.

>>2381

>Or do you present an intellectual analysis of people abusing memes, eventually tracing it back?

This is pointless, time and time again its being demonstrated that people who hold beliefs based on emotions (mostly liberals which not necessarily means the entire left) using facts and evidence only reinforces their beliefs, sometimes to dogmatic levels only comparable with religious nuts.

>Do you play on it and make similar/succeeding comics

I would do that, one of the biggest mistakes GG did was creating those awful collages of data instead of going to the point with simple comics like the antigamers did. The best way to counter this idiocy is by making fun of it, trying to deconstruct it with "boring" facts is what they want you to do

>>2395

>A way to prove everything the Naziball said was true, without directly saying it

You don't need to use naziball, in fact the author used naziball because he knew that it would be easier for germanyball to counter a widely hated symbol than having to argue against other previous versions of germany

For example, what if germanball had to argue with a west-germanyball heavily impoverished and divided by the postwar? or an east-germanyball living in third-world conditions perhaps worse than those of the refugees due to communism? or a weimarball thats struggling to pay the debts from versailles? or to german immigrants who went to usa and other countries and faced discrimination?

Even a germanempireball would have been tough to 'disprove' since while you can hate it now back then it was just one empire of many having to face stiff competition from other players in europe that did even nastier things.

But not the naziball, which brings me to the next point

>I wonder if others will pick up on the "Nazis were right" aspect

No they wont because there isn't such aspect in the comic, the ending actually highlights the idea some antiracist-racists say that some races cannot be held to the same standards than the white race and thus can't be racists which is in itself a very VERY racist remark since it essentially says other races are the equivalent of mental retards that can't be blamed for a mistake.

Point in this case is that the author has convinced himself that its ok for germany to continue to be hated and only be shown token demonstrations of appreciation (but not gratitude) and that germans should lower their heads and be thankful even if thats as good as it gets.

Ironically for their propaganda efforts it would been better if other countryballs (specially former enemies) had jumped in to help germanyball against naziball, but again the point is that germanyball its not worthy of that and should just continue to give and give even if future-germanyball goes broke and no other countries bother to help it

>>2374

>>2370

my sentiments exactly