/32/ - Psychopolitics

I agree with a lot of what you said. Countries are accepting people even if they cant support this decision. For example, in my country the crisis is reaching a peak. people have to give their homes to the state because they cant afford them, children go to school hungry because the families are very poor, a 20% unemployment rate and many people are now immigrating to other countries searching for a better life. But the state wants to receive thousands of refugees, give them houses, money and employment (???) wtf!

I dont want to sound xenophobic but this is not a reasonable option.

they just want to look a good Samaritan but are just being hypocrites.

I'm sorry, I'm still trying to form an opinion about it.There isnt much information about it and that's why I came to this board, seeking views and trying to form my own.

(and im sorry for bad english)

>>2163

Which is your country if you don't mind me asking?

>>2164

Portugal. As you may know we are in a huge debt and this situation left a lot of people unconfortable

I see, the way I see it this is dangerous not only due to the risk of letting all immigrants in without proper screening (always a bad idea that criminals take advantage of) but because it could fuel real xenophobia

Current media has a deformed idea of what racism is, they think dumb remarks are racism

The reality is that the upper-european class living in almost 100% white enclaves like it happens in sweden its far more racist than any non-PC remarks, but still thats not xenophobia

Xenophobia is what you have in south africa where mobs gather nigerian immigrants and set them on fire. I'm not kidding nor making a joke: they take a nigerian, any they find, they put an old car tire around his/her neck, douse them in gasoline and set them on fire

"microwaving" they call it, and its a horrible way to die, even a regular fire would be more humane because with this the rubber from the tire prevents the fire from killing them quicker so the victim takes hours or days to die

That is the kind of violence thats going to happen in europe when the elite can no longer talk down to people using racism as an excuse, and its bad because as always a lot of immigrants who did nothing will die but the criminals because they are shifty will escape on time.

>>2175

The overuse of 'phobia' its almost a meme now, its become a political tool

Consider all the studies that show homophobia doesn't exists, that nobody is afraid of homosexuals and instead they either feel distaste or outright hate. Why anti-gay isn't used instead? maybe they wanted to differentiate themselves from the also overused 'antisemitic'? (which in turn its also incorrect since arabs are semites too and many are very anti-jewish)

As for the xenos part, again a case of mainstream ignorance about what it means. Given the context in which the word its being used I think anti-foreign would be a better choice. Of course that ignorance plays a role here: 'foreign' has bad connotations, most people associate it with a foe and possible hostility. Ergo the people who choose to use xenos most likely did so to avoid this, which again its another cases of psychopolitics being used not for the common good but for certain political aims given that the bad connotations of the word 'foreign' are also the results of previous manipulation. After all 'foreign' doesn't means something its bad, just that it isn't local or familiar.

>vilifying those who oppose

This is a key aspect of something I wanted to talk about

Last night I was watching pro-immigration people in berlin and I couldn't help but think how much they resembled the crowds cheering for hitler. In both cases you got people who are not willing to go deeper, to try to understand that is in front of them, all they care about is to be "part of it" and not being "out of the loop", not ending up outside of the group, not being the only ones who are not participating.

The irony of nazism is that it started as a political movement people joined so they wouldn't have to face the real problems of germany at the time. Instead of tackling said problems they would join a fantasy, a mass psychosis of sorts where germany could still dominate the world. They rather listen to hitler talking about the greatness of aryan people than to experts who only mentioned cold hard facts and numbers. They would cheer for hitler while vilifying those who could actually help the country without a new war. Such was the desire of the people to 'belong' to something that the nazis didn't have to implement harsh measures to keep control of the population until the national situation deteriorated during the war. But in the meantime people were happy to obey, happy to endure, because they were "part of something"

>Influx of low-skilled workers to counter the lack of Europeans willing to fill those positions

Except they don't, you're most likely to find south americans or east asians filling those positions in countries like france than the much higher number of muslims who would rather stay in the banlieues and cash their welfare checks. The integration methods for muslims in europe used in the past 30 years have been an utter failure, and instead of shifting to a more pro-assimilation policy the people in charge are doubling down on multiculturalism.

>Influx of young people to help with the general ageing of the population

That's another thing, why not draw from the millions of the european diaspora living in less developed nations? I'm sure there are plenty of them willing to move if given the same benefits than muslims have received for years.

>The adult immigrants enter the countries ready to work, without having demanded investments for education

Not really, educational levels are much lower in the middle east, and thats without considering the rampant fraud caused by diploma mills and governments themselves inflating the number of graduates by lowering the bar. I doubt the average syrian mechanic working at a state-owned factory churning out cars that were obsolete 20-years ago will be able to just jump into a position inside a modern state-of-the-art industrial complex.

>>2168

>"microwaving"

it's called necklacing and dates back to the 80s when Mandela's ANC took power and sought to quash dissidents through brutal displace punitive violence.

I've been seeing a lot of these misapplied terms /pol/ lately and am wondering if they are part of psycho politics. Purposely mislabeling something could serve a couple purposes:

1.) It causes people like myself to waste energy in the correction, and lead to possible arguments.

2.) Can lead to lurkers or participants in the conversation showing themselves to be ignorant or open to derision by using these malapropisms in discourse elsewhere.

3.) These malapropisms could also be used as calling cards for trolls and shills to identify each other.

As well I also saw an image where someone screenshotted the UN website and purposely swapped the definitions of "Refugee" and "Asylum Seeker" to make the point that these people were are not in fact refugees, but "Asylum Seekers" and thus were ineligible for the refugee rights awarded by the UN. This simply adds a non-point and poisons the discourse, but doing this repeatedly could mean total message dilution, as adherents argue over the definitions of words with one side looking completely ignorant and irrational.

>>2208

Not to stay too far off topic but I wanted to point out something I've noticed about /pol/ as well.

The practice of archiving a website and/or making a screenshot does serve somewhat of a purpose. I can understand attempting to deny views/clicks/ad-revenue to certain websites and people.

However, sometimes I do see a bit of a bait and switch. Screenshots are often slightly edited and what good is trusting an archive if it can just be edited too? Someone has access to that data somewhere.

You'll often see an anon post a link to something only to be shouted at to archive it. Often times someone will do that and provide a link, but they're usually just using a site they've seen another anon use before. I know I'm rambling but my point is you can't just put trust in the archive.

/pol/ usually digs around but I rarely see anyone look into who owns and operates the major archiving services that are used every day. I rarely see anons call out edited screenshots. I doubt most anons even read the articles that are posted.

History is just constantly revised and edited now. When you stop and think about it it's really amazing.

>>2208

>it's called necklacing

That the SA name, its called microwaving in Brasil where if reports are to be believed goes back to the favelas in the early 70s. Still its possible that it was 'imported' to SA given that Brasil had a problem with communist guerrillas and many of them had to escape the dictatorship there. Given that many LatAm communists ended in Africa via Cuba's operations there I'm assuming that's the way it might have ended up with the ANC.

>>2210

>Screenshots are often slightly edited

Which is why we use archive

>what good is trusting an archive if it can just be edited too?

Its much easier to check if the archive was manipulated because you can look at the code, go to wayback or even check the original in cache

>You'll often see an anon post a link to something only to be shouted at to archive it

We do that for a very simple reason: these boards are full of clickbait spamers who are paid to create a fake controversy. Dumb mediocre bloggers who go unpaid working for content mills like huffpo and others go themselves to places like /pol/ to post their news. Why? after all neither 8chan nor 4chan's /pol/ are that popular when compared to say facebook or twitter. Well they do this because they know they can get a reaction from it, a reaction which will result in more attention and thus views, which is all that matters to them. Take the case of zoe quinn's fake harassment (this is before GG): she went to wizardchan, a forum far less popular than 4chan or 8chan, why? because she needed fake harassment, so she went to a place that she knew she could get quick reactions to her awful behavior that would get her support from the SJW, support which she could exploit by "ebegging" in known platforms, a strategy she probably got from anita sarkessian who did exactly the same almost 2 years before, though in a bigger scale.

Now take YT videos: what most people don't know is that ratings and comments don't matter, the only think that matters are length of the video and views. A video might be terrible with an endless stream of comments deriding it and a 90% 'dislike' vote, but if it gets views the author won. With views the video itself becomes more visible, google allocates more bandwidth so it loads faster, and it reaches more people which in turn results in more views.

Archive and webms deny them all that, which is why you should never direct link to content unless its from a small or personal blog and not from a site that's only one of many from a multinational corporation's media arm.