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 No.1729

America is not a single country. America is an empire that contains many increasingly divided cultures.

The media/academic/corporate elite are increasing insular, and largely live in enclaves within whatever cultural region they inhabit.

Do you think there's any way to mend the cultural gap or is secession inevitable?

Is there a similar phenomena in other nations any non-American /32/ers could inform us about?

Any non-obvious examples of how these divides lead to media/policy bias?

Further reading:

http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Apart-State-America-1960-2010/dp/030745343X

http://francistapon.com/Travels/Western-Europe/Defending-American-Ignorance

http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2007/05/castes-of-united-states.html

http://athousandnations.com/2013/11/17/the-new-american-nations/

http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/08/who-are-us-policy-elites.html

http://www.vdare.com/posts/weirdwestern-educated-industrialized-rich-and-democratic-societies-think-differently

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 No.1730

Just so we're clear, you are using "America" to refer to the Unites States of America, not the American continent, right?

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 No.1731

>>1730

Considering the images and the articles posted, I would guess that such is the case.

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 No.1732

Although I don't know much about anywhere outside America (God bless Nevada public education), I do know the very same problem on a microcosm is happening in California right now:

California is so large and varied that one would be forgiven in assuming Northern California (NC for convenience's sake), with the Redwood forests and snowpeaked mountain ranges, wasn't the same state as Southern California (SC) with its deserts, massive cities, and bloodsucking parasites media powerhouses.

SC has enough of the percentage population that they can lawfully dictate NC, despite the two regions having completely different land, problems, solutions, and cultures, and everything else. That's really an affront to the representation we pride ourselves in representing.

By the same token, I think it's untenable that I can be told what to do by Florida or New York simply because they have more votes than Nevada. I have nothing in common with either of those people's cultures or needs.

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 No.1760

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Very interesting idea for a thread, OP. The Vdare article, in particular, warrants its own thread.

You begin the discussion by stating that the media/academic/corporate elites are increasingly insular. That may be the case, but for long time now the international political configurations has not followed this trend. One of the main aspects of late Middle Ages was the centralization of power in the hands of the monarch. Before that, the king was primarily the suzerain over all the lords in the land, while also exerting a religious function as a representative of god’s will on earth. Before this process of centralization the countries (if they could even be called that) were a collection of fiefs, their lords involved in several different types of relations between themselves, including (obviously) suzerainty and violent rivalry. During this period each lord was free to use his own currency and measurement systems, and language was also influenced more by local traditions than a unified system. As this situation slowly evolved into the one we know today, so was formed the cultural identity of the nation, e.g. the French started seeing themselves as French, and so on. I would argue that this trend (the political one, not the cultural one) continues to this day, in the form of economic blocs, international organizations and alliances (such as NATO). As it happens with all groups, despite the de jure equal status of the members, the tendency is for the general policy and actions of the collective to reflect the will of the most powerful and/or influential member. What is this of not a process of centralization of political power?

Another point made in your images is the supposed correlation between the size of a country (in this case the U.S.A.) and the fracturing of the national identity into many sub-groups. This is not necessarily correct, as matters of group identity happen in groups of all sizes, from countries to classrooms. The most obvious example of this would be the dismantling of Yugoslavia, which was not a large country to begin with.

>Is there similar phenomena in other nations any non-American /32/ers could inform us about?

I am a Brazilian who has always resided in Brazil and secessionist feelings are definitely present here, and have been for a long time. The reason why Portuguese colonial America remained unified after independence while the Spanish one fractured into several countries wasn’t a matter of feelings of unified cultural identity. Our history is filled with revolts and civil wars.

The southernmost states have a movement called “The South is My Country”, which can’t officially assume it’s secessionist intent because that would make it unconstitutional. One of the main motivators for this is the fact that the South is the most socially developed area of the country, and it is constantly receiving migrants from the poorest and less developed areas, such as the Northeast. Another is the fact that all three states give more money to the federal government than they receive, and this is perceived as unfair because these states tend to be more right-oriented and the money is seen as going to the wealth redistribution programs of the generally left-oriented government.

There are other movements like this, but this is the most relevant.

Both slavery and immigration are significant aspects of our population, ethnically and culturally. Brazil is home to some of the largest European settlements, including Ukrainian, Polish, Italian, and Portuguese (in no particular order). Given our large land mass (we’re the fourth largest country) it is understandable that significant cultural differences arise, as each of our 26 states is the size of an European country. Each region has its own accent, vocabulary, dishes and other cultural characteristics.

I can’t see how our situation differs greatly from that of any other country, but if you have any questions I will be happy to answer them.

picture shows the amount of money given and received by each state to the federal government, highlighted states form The South, and the red numbers shows the deficit in the balance.

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 No.1762

>>1730

The Americas != America.

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 No.1769

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>>1729

I firmly believe that this plays a part.

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 No.1770

>>1769

Also, ever notice that all the shady activity goes down in the southwest? Jade Helm, Area 51, FEMA camps...

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 No.1771

>>1760

I think it's a bigger deal of statism over federalism, in the sense that you care more for your state than the country as a whole.

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 No.1772

>>1771

Sorry, I believe the correct term would be "anti federalism", not statism.

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 No.1786

While it is possible that the USA has had some divisions, they are likely historical. Observers have noted distinction across American cultural groups for a long while now.

Generally, scholars have noted an opposite trend. A growing homogenisation of the English-speaking people generally. Funnily enough, one article you linked tried to defend America's lack of foreign-language ability but failed to notice than NO english-speaking country has good foreign=-language skills. Similarly, while Americans are supposedly is ignorant of foreign-places, it failed to point out that the UK doesn't fair much better either. British people are incredibly ignorant of Europe and much, much more knowledgeable of the USA, Canada and Australia.

Perhaps these new subdivisions show something different. There has been a growing global elite, most of who are English-speaking. Perhaps the elite, disconnected from national-borders, have caused national connecxions in the Anglo-sphere to collapse. This could explain why people feel the USA has broken up slightly culturally and why the home nations of the UK are also falling apart.

Perhaps the modern world we live in will see a pan-Anglo transformation that encourages English-speaking identity formation outside of the traditional nation-states.

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 No.1788

newfag here. this is provocative stuff.

i studied Russian and am pretty familiar with the country's history. I would say that even the current Russian Federation is still an empire, containing quite literally conquered peoples all over its enormous land mass.

An issue, however, is the dependency of some of these regions on the central muscovy-st petersburg state.

This is a tough issue. I mean, what is to be gained by having states fall apart into smaller component sections? Who benefits from the current set-up and who would realistically benefit or trigger a split up?

Other countries that have similar issues of diversity are India and China

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 No.1789

>>1786

you raise some excellent points.

further, i think the pan-anglo transformation is well underway, for good or worse. Worse being that american consumer culture is usually the biggest thing being transferred. second is literal english language learning, which is prevalent in many countries

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 No.1890

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>>1732

We've had a similar issue here in Michigan for years with our upper peninsula and lower peninsula. What's interesting is that the two parts were completely separated for the first 120 years of statehood until the opening of the Mackinac Bridge in 1957. People up there identify as being a Yooper before being a Michiganian and many want to be a separate state. The lower and upper peninsulas differ greatly in culture yet the lower has much greater representation.

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 No.1898

>>1729

>Atlanta as part of the Deep South

kek

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