No.1246
We already have one thread focusing on the psychological techniques used in cults, and another about conspiratorial (functionally occulted) politics. This thread deals with an area that requires even more subtlety and teasing out.
The Occult: the historical tradition, individual experience and social strata involved with magic and secret knowledge.
The core axiom of many Occult traditions is that reality is a mental phenomenon, responsive to certain actions in a way that would be revelatory to the common man.
This intersects with psychopolitics in curious ways. To anybody who has studied them in depth, the occult schools all over the world are clearly mired in straightforward psychological manipulations. Many of them are cults, subject to more refined versions of the techniques used in more obvious cults. In the West, Masonry lays claim both to being an heir to the Mystery Traditions of Babylon and to being the glue which binds certain structures of power and world-building together. (For the former, see Manly P. Hall. For the latter, see 'Builders of Empire').
Similarly, the occult seems interwoven with power structures, which surely are interwoven with the exigencies driving psychopolitical technique. The present and past heads of the grand Lodge of British Masonry are Princes, and the logos of MI5 and other intelligence agencies are indisputably speaking the same language as the /32/nd and higher 'occult' degrees of Freemasonry.
Further, the Occult challenges the very definition of psychopolitics. A modern might perceive it as being about scientific and tactical manipulation of perceptions within the confines of the Physical universe. But an occultist often regards reality our civilisation itself as a magical manipulation of perception, in which the manipulations are not only deceptions, but actually also change the structure of reality. It's interesting to note that the Royal Society and other authoritative bodies central to the development of materialist science were filled with higher degree Masons who, privately in their Masonic lodges, engaged in 'secret rituals' predicated upon an acceptance of occult mentalism.
The Occult is a hard topic to approach from the right angle. Usually, it seems to be tumbled into headlong and without the kind of discernment that could enable profitable navigation. The public "Occult" groups that can be easily joined in the West seem largely to lack power, be suited to and be dull. Political groups with public presence rarely seem "Occult", and the conspiracy theories where both converge seem riddled with plebeian folly and Neitzsche's Slave Morality.
/fringe/, another board on 8chan, approaches the topic with a strong focus on belief in mentalism and the use of its power to be a 'Wizard' far above the 'mundanes' who do not understand. It also seems to emphasise glamorous justifications of the circumstances socially unsuccessful and virginal males find themselves in. Whether they are right or not, perhaps a psychopolitical focus would reveal other aspects.
For example, Renaissance hermeticism and Scientific Experimentalism both grew out the same Renaissance, and were both cemented in Northern Europe by the same Reformation. So scientific experimentalism isn't perhaps as alien in spirit to power players involved in Occult Psycohpolitics in the same way it seems distant to many 'spiritually' incline rebels like /fringe/. Perhaps experimental results would even be seen as continuous and compatible with the true, occult, view on reality. Or perhaps the manipulation of people's 'spiritual' psychology has been enhanced greatly by new experimental data.
Apologies for the possibly ponderous introduction, but it seems paramount to get off to the right start in as complex a topic as this.
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No.1247
Apologies for irregular capitalisation and a couple of mangled sentences. I posted the wrong draft.
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No.1250
This is certainly very interesting and I'm glad to have someone who is knowledgeable on this topic here.
Can you expand on the topic of mental alchemy?
By what I understand, it is the use of metaphorical alchemical formulas and procedures to achieve changes in the individual and the way his mind interacts with reality, as opposed to actual chemical formulas and ritual to turn lean into gold and other such goals.
My own information in regards to this limited, as I've only read the Corpus Hermetica, the Emerald Tablet, the Kybalion, the Confessio and Fama Fraternitatis and the Liber Legis, and not only do they seem somewhat superficial, I understood very little.
By the way, the masonic degrees have nothing to do with the name of the board.
The reason why it's called 32 is occult
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No.1252
>>1250It's funny, though. The 32nd degree is the one most closely associated with psychopolitical manipulations. Or 'bricks in the wall' of the Great Work.
Maybe you were... occultly influenced.
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No.1253
>>1250Well, that's a Jungian perspective on alchemy. The alchemists who developed doctrines in India and the West were certainly extremely concerned with physical operations within and outside of the body. But these were also deeply interconnected with transformations of the elemental levels and structures in which the human 'psyche' operates.
That's something a person can really only find through researching. I can give you the alchemical secret to the creation of gold right now, though:
Private central banking.
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No.1354
This thread has way too few replies.
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No.1365
>>1250What struck you about those texts as superficial?
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No.1371
>>1365The way I see it, the texts were designed to be popular among intelligent people: they use complex and symbolic language to transmit generic ideas, e.g "everything is connected" and "as above so below". They give you the blocks so you can build you own interpretation of their meaning, and in doing so you enthusiastically accept what you think the texts is trying to say (which is actually what you thought of) as correct. The somewhat cryptic language also makes the reader satisfied with him/herself for being able to "get it" and reinforces their views that they are smart (which in turn pleases them and makes them more receptive to what they are told).
They are superficial in the sense that they don't have any deep central message.
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No.1372
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No.1379
For me it is quite obvious that there are quite the amounts of occultism involved in our current political sphere. To basic starts of symbolism to the destruction of art with that pseudo-modern art.
A start about the art-aspect of it would be this read: www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2009/09/the-plot-against-art-part-1/
An interesting personality would be Kim Noble whose story sounds incredibly familiar to certain brainwashing programs like MK Ultra. She has at least 13 (probably more) personalities who all paint and in those painting you can see what is happening to her.
http://www.kimnoble.com/virtual_galleries.htmEspecially interesting are the paintings of the personality "Key" where there is a step-by-step analysis involved on what happened to her (careful, its not for the weak).
Judy has the checkern pattern often used in freemasonry.
Ria Pratt has several (sexual-)abuse depicting pictures.
Bonny displays the masks and the multiple personalities.
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No.1402
>>1246To understand occult psychopolitics you need to delve into the following terms, what they consist of, and understand how they fit together:
Power
Psychopathy & Occult Traditions
Blackmail
Operant Conditioning
Hierarchy
Compartmentalization
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No.1403
>>1253>>1250In the physical sense turning lead to gold is an alchemical metaphor for turning something with no value into something of value (or at least perceived value - which is considered 'magic').
As
>>1253 said:
Private central banking essentially 'printing money' have found and currently control the major philosophers stone and can turn accounting and paper into (lead) into gold (perceived valuable currency).
Ideas are also considered alchemical in nature. An idea comes from nothing but can be enacted to create value.
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In terms of mental alchemy it is altering your conscious state to help you in some form. This is largely done through introspective methods (you must mold your mind the way you see fit and complete your Temple (the temple in your head denoted by the term temple). There are many variations of mental alchemy - some are deceptive and arguably evil like public manipulation of mental states via media and other tactics. Some are good such as introducing yourself to new concepts and ideas to help round your perceptions. I'm not an expert on these matters though.
In short mental alchemy is the following:
> Becoming extremely introspective to the point where you actually 'know' who you are and your present capacities mentally.> Figuring out a goal that you wish to enact.> Figuring out what you need to learn and accomplish in order to achieve your goal.> Acquire the necessary skills and knowledge and mind-frame to achieve them.Generally you want to use mental alchemy so that your thoughts, feelings, and actions are aligned towards whatever you want to accomplish or transmute.
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No.1404
>>1402Forgot image for this post.
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No.1412
>>1371What you said may or may not true of particular texts. The thing with this area is that the mind-games are just everywhere and endless. But if you can begin to see them, you begin to get an inside view, and can begin to see that mind games are talked about more accurately and profoundly than anywhere else.
Looking at how much society itself is about pyschopolitical manipulation, you could see the hermetic Occult as a kind of quintessence or apex of that. A bloody arena to enter into, with danger, and out of which you could emerge victorious.
That said, for substance, there's things like Sexual Alchemy (something you can see at work in conjunction with the dynamics laid out in
>>1404) or the certainly non-arbitrary cosmological map of the Kaballah.
Also engaging in magic really is the only way to see some of these principles at work. You need to have certain experiences that you feel you have to make sense of. Experiences that break your experiential world view. Then you kind of have a solid core upon which the seemingly abstract language of hermetic texts can work.
Without this experience, it all is just kind of empty and overly abstract. I can see why it would seem so. It's only in combination with Exeats into that which is beyond where you were that the language begins to seem to actually refer to something. The abstraction, from a mundane perspective, is because it's actually referring to something that is distant from the mundane, even whilst trying to speak directly to people on earth.
Exeat and Reflexion. These are the alternating poles which make a real quest into the occult possible.
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No.1432
>>1372I've read many stories like that, and they all sound like they were written by a mentally ill person. I don't see any evidence that he's stating the truth.
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No.1466
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No.1468
>>1466>>1432further, the documentary interviews with many, many people defy your wild assertion about "
mental illness" -- in fact, that's precisely the kind of thing someone seeking to sow chords of doubt would say
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No.1513
Harry Hay, founder of the gay rights movement in the US, was a known occultist. He practiced ceremonial magick.
http://wildhunt.org/2010/01/the-dangers-of-praising-harry-hay.html
He also founded the Wild Faeries, a "spiritual" organization for flaming homos. Basically the (openly) gay Freemasons.
http://www.radfae.org/
He inspired Kevin Jennings of the Arcus Foundation, which has been a huge part of the "transgender rights" movement.
http://www.thinkinghousewife.com/wp/2015/04/the-big-money-behind-transgendered-rights/
Tenuous, but I wouldn't be surprised if what we're seeing today is exactly what Harry Hay was trying for with his ceremonies. I have a strong feeling the most subversive elements of the left all practice magick. I believe their next big project will be bestiality or pedophilia (Hay was a supporter of NAMBLA).
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No.1514
>>1513
you put far too much stock in the power of occultism to affect reality
politics is a minor front-end display of human activities - it just so happens to be foremost in many people's minds
the next big project is most likely the dissolution of nations, not the promotion of beastiality and paedophilia
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No.1516
>>1514
Are you not a /pol/ack?
The easiest way to destroy a nation is from within through subversion of their beliefs and morals. This is redpill 101. Sexual mores are usually the strongest, and breaking those down is the quickest path to moral relativism and disunity.
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No.1517
>>1466
Oh, I smell another "definition" thread coming.
>>1514
I partially agree with you. The intentional decay of national sovereignty is most definitely one of the goals of the global conspiracy, but I disagree that it is the "next" big project, because the situation has been leaning towards that scenario for a long time. Furthermore, there is nothing stopping people with literally limitless resources from running more than one project at a time, especially if they are co-supportive.
>>1516
I don't see how being from /pol/ or not makes a difference.
Please try not to use the term "redpill" here.
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No.1518
>>1517
>I don't see how being from /pol/ or not makes a difference.
The idea of subversion from within and destroying the moral fabric of society is well known amongst anyone who doesn't embrace that very degeneration. Your hostility toward the concept makes me think you're a part of the group that does embrace it.
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No.1520
>>1513
Good post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_H._Breen was involved with NAMBLA. He was a known child abuser. He and his wife, fantasy author Marion ZImmer Bradley (who molested her own daughter) were both into the occult, and the Society for Creative Anachronism.
Both shady characters. His wiki is worth a read and he is worth an hour of your day to research. Very interesting string of connections there.
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No.1521
>>1517
>intentional decay of national sovereignty
in favor of global sovereignty
i don't see reasons to assert national sovereignty: all that does is create conflict
>I disagree that it is the "next" big project, because the situation has been leaning towards that scenario for a long time
well it has to break through at some time
>there is nothing stopping people with literally limitless resources from running more than one project at a time
indeed - but that other projects should include abuse is not the case:
suppose a 'cult ring' exists -- the heads of the cults are still subject to higher authority - basically, >>1515
all these cults rever various deities, who are beholden to grander deities, until the utmost law of the universe is met (धर्मनारायण narayana dharma)
this law manifests itself as physical properties: basically, why do you do as you do? why does 'bad' exist?
>>1518
अनुबन्धिन्कर्म results of actions
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No.1522
>>1521
>i don't see reasons to assert national sovereignty
>all that does is create conflict
How far do you apply that kumbaya logic? Have you removed the doors from your home and renounced all of your personal property yet?
Who cares if that strange man wants to sleep in your daughters room. Boundaries are for the close-minded right?
Conflict isn't going anywhere. Functional societies draw their boundaries, agree upon them, and protect each other from foreigners who do not share those values. If you're in the US, those "conflict creating" boundaries protect you from the cartels that skin people's faces before beheading them.
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No.1524
>>1523
so how many strangers have you let sleep in your children's rooms?
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No.1525
>>1524
none
you're confusing open behaviour with clandestine 'bad' actions
why would i have to hide any of my activities? i can execute all plans at all times
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No.1526
>>1525
>none
So you don't apply your kumbaya mentality to your own home. You draw the line somewhere. No use talking to an idealistic loon, I just wanted you to admit that you do indeed draw boundaries to protect your own.
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No.1527
>>1526
>protect your own
sure, but i own everything in existence - including all matter and matters
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No.1551
>>1518
I stated that being or not being a regular poster in /pol/ makes no difference. Your post implied that the anon was wrong or uniformed because he is not a member of the board, which is preposterous. You seem to assume that /pol/ is the sole detainer of the truth, and outsiders are either wrong because of ignorance or actively oppose your position. Furthermore, my neutral comment on the relevance of being or not being a /pol/ack was taken as "hostility" and assumed it to be evidence of my subscription to some fiendish enterprise or conspiracy.
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No.1552
>>1527
Not my matter or matters, buddy.
In what sense are you untouchable? Do you not have a body that can bleed? Does your belly not empty? Will you never close your eyes forever?
If these aren't concerns of yours then you truly are living in a different world than us mortals.
A mortal might even wonder what such a powerful being was doing on the internet talking about politics with literally anyone who happened by.
Shitposting for eternity. Like some post modern Sisyphus. Lol.
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No.1555
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No.1702
>>1525
This low-functioning scihzoid has really been messing up the whole board. He's unfortunately impervious to others having no interest in his posts and telling him they're delusional nonsense.
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No.2186
I am entirely certain that through either psychological or occult means, serious discussion of the occult is set to render shit-flinging in the majority of people.
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No.2187
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>>1246
>Further, the Occult challenges the very definition of psychopolitics. A modern might perceive it as being about scientific and tactical manipulation of perceptions within the confines of the Physical universe. But an occultist often regards reality our civilisation itself as a magical manipulation of perception, in which the manipulations are not only deceptions, but actually also change the structure of reality. It's interesting to note that the Royal Society and other authoritative bodies central to the development of materialist science were filled with higher degree Masons who, privately in their Masonic lodges, engaged in 'secret rituals' predicated upon an acceptance of occult mentalism.
This is pretty accurate, shows me OP knows his stuff.
When you know that reality truly is but a dream, and you figure out how to transcend it, you start to "walk on water" so to speak.
Your also not moving thru time OR space, but it moving around you, because there is only one point of reality, which is GOD himself, we are just the eyes of GOD experiencing time.
We are God looking himself in the mirror, so to speak. Watching the watcher.
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No.2220
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Rumor has it the whole of the Hegelian tradition is occult, as well as its continued transmission both materially and ideally. I think this board is great, but if you all really want to know about the goings-on, then you need to into the right literature.
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No.3403
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No.3408
>>1246
Thank you for your contribution anon.
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No.3425
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The occult is apart of everyday life, even to mundane people who think they are so secular, so atheist, and materialistic, and above it all.
A wedding ceremony for instance, that is occultic, that is a ceremony, a ritual, binding (at least in olden times) a man and women together till death.
You see the bozos in silicon valley claiming that we live in a simulated reality.
The same people who would laugh at the religious are pretty much practicing Gnosticism, the gnostic believes this is a false material reality created by the demiurge, we must escape it by using divine knowledge.
What about a corporate logo, this is basically a sigil, a sigil is "an inscribed or painted symbol considered to have magical power."
A sigil is made by a chaos magician, they make it and embed their will or desire into the symbol. So a logo, the coca cola logo, the desire of the coke company is that every time you see their logo, you want to buy a coke.
You know the elite are into some eyes wide shit, bohemian grove, skull and bones, etc. I would gather maybe lie 1% of them actually believe in it, the rest are just there for the weird sex.
here is alan moore explaining how art is actually magic
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