No.52447
Novel High-Efficiency Mechanism for Converting Thermal Energy into Electrical Energy at Room Temperature Without the Use of Thermal Gradients
While traditional thermoelectric compounds depend upon intense heat coupled with a significant thermal gradient in order to salvage a percentage of waste heat from industrial applications, the purpose of this essay is to consider the possibility of a new type of thermoelectric mechanism that is capable of extracting electrical energy from even low-heat environments at temperatures as low as 10 degrees Kelvin.
One of the great weaknesses of photovoltaic power generation (solar panels) is that it depends entirely upon the availability of an abundance of sunlight, and requires both power transmission infrastructure as well as power storage infrastructure, both of which are inefficient and expensive. Heat, on the other hand, is much more abundant on Earth, and is available everywhere on the planet and at all times of the day and year. Even the coldest parts of Earth are warm when compared with absolute zero. By definition, any atom above absolute zero contains some amount of thermal energy. The question becomes one of how to extract it.
Energy in the form of light is routinely converted into heat through the familiar process of absorption. Objects that are dark in color convert light to heat more readily than objects that are light in color, or reflect light entirely. Converting that heat energy back into electricity is significantly more involved a process than the process that turned it into heat energy. However, there is no reason why it cannot be accomplished.
This novel design depends upon 5 basic components, which will be described as E1, E2, E3, E4, and E5. E1 may also be referred to as the ‘bulk’. E1 can be composed of any element that is both affordable and dense enough to facilitate significant heat. It should be as non-conductive as possible. Lead may be considered for E1. E2 is a compound that can be forged into the form of a micrometer-scale wire and has the properties of a superconductor at room temperature. E2 facilitates electron flow between E1 and E3. E3 is a cathode that receives electrons and can connect to a conventional direct current cable. E3 may be a simple steel contact. E4 surrounds E2 like a sheath and is situated as near as possible to E2 without permitting electrons to jump into E4, which if permitted, would eliminate its ionization and would defeat the purpose of the mechanism. E4 may be composed of rubidium and must be ionized, that is, deprived of as many electrons as possible. The more ionized E4 is, the greater the tendency of thermal energy in E1 to convert to electrical energy and the more electricity is conducted through the superconducting wire (E2.) The entire mechanism with the exception of the bulk and the cathode is encased in a silicon (E5) in order to insulate the components from one another and prevent electrons from flowing in any but the desired direction (toward the cathode.)
By placing a pre-ionized element in (extremely) close proximity to an omnithermal superconductor and simultaneously insulating it to prevent contamination of the ionic component, the effect of electrical inducement is translated through the length of superconducting wire, thus forming a bridge with the bulk. So long as the bulk remains above a minimal temperature, it continues to convert its thermal energy into electrical energy of its own accord. This mechanism would be most efficient in a “heat sink” configuration, perhaps with the addition of a fan in order to keep (relatively) warm air flowing over the mechanism and maximizing output.
If successful, this type of novel design may completely obviate the need for centralized power generating stations of all types, prevent the creation of thousands of tons of nuclear waste, billions of tons of air pollution, and eliminate billions of dollars in electrical grid maintenance costs. End users in countries that consume relatively large amounts of electricity may expect to save hundreds of dollars per year and will enjoy steadier, more reliable access to electricity. Depending upon per-unit costs, a device built upon the aforementioned principles may help to bring access to electricity to many parts of the world currently lacking it. To be sure, attempting to develop and market such a product will likely attract a great deal of negative attention from the nuclear, coal, and solar industries. It is essential that a benevolent individual patent this technology quickly before industry insiders can get their hands on it and patent it simply to prevent its manufacture and the consequent destruction of the industry as we know it. Good luck.
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No.52467
but how does the thermal energy get converted to electrical energy, where are the electrons coming from, where are they going to. what force is making them move in that way.
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No.52473
op is gonna be found dead in less than a week
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No.52477
>>52473
Considering he's been posting this shit for months, it's unlikely.
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No.52482
>>52467
Something I call electron overflow. This ties into my other theories about the nature of gravity and the behavior of electrons and their relationship to neutrinos.
An atom with a lot of thermal heat has a nucleus that oscillates rapidly and dramatically away from its central position. The more heat, the more extreme the oscillation.
Electrons are constantly popping into and out of existence in the orbit of atoms and require replenishment. However, when the nucleus of an atom is in the midst of one of its swings (which bring it marginally closer to the electron field) sometimes extra electrons coalesce, creating two replacement electrons instead of only one. The is significantly more likely to occur when there is a force that attracts electrons in close proximity… in this case, those are the rubidium ions.
When an extra electron is generated, this momentary surplus negative electrical force physically pushes the nucleus of the atom backward, much like tapping a pendulum to slow its swing. Gradually, the nuclear oscillations slow down with proportion to the amount of electricity extracted, until very little thermal (nuclear) activity remains.
>>52473
Yes, but it won't be due to this post. Back in April I was able to prove that microwaves can be carcinogenic, and show the specific mechanism for carcinogenesis. This will cost the telecom industry billions of dollars as government regulations could put a stop to 5G network development and force the removal of a large portion of existing cell towers that are in too close of a proximity to schools, residences, and businesses. People are getting cancer left and right and there is money to be made from covering it up.
All I can say is, "You're welcome" and when millions of lives are at stake I wouldn't hesitate to share what I know to fix this unbelievably fucked up world. The real heroes are the people who can actually take these ideas and put them to use. Ideas naturally "want" to be known and no great idea can be suppressed forever. Any attempt to suppress the truth will backfire. We already known the exact mechanism they intend to use to neutralize us and have spelled it out in letters to attorneys and family members so they will have something to point to as evidence that if anything happens to us, it was certainly not an accident. If an untimely end does come to pass, I thank you all for your support, your imaginations, and for having the boldness to question conventional wisdom. I know that 10,000 will take my place. Good luck to you all.
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No.52483
>>52467
This could work but kind of overstates the amount of thermal energy in the average house.
Imagine a 1500W space heater or an electric range. That’s that a kilowatt of heat feels like. A lukewarm block of lead might be able to power an alarm clock or a calculator but not necessarily a TV or refrigerator.
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No.52507
>>52483
>refrigerator
whats the point of a refrigerator if you could instead just chuck this energy machine into a room and close the door? instant absolute zero mega freezer.
also maybe this could be a solution to global warming, if we just have these machines running 24/7 in the sahara desert or something, filtering the air of all its heat.
>>52482
where did you post about microwaves. doesnt your energy device conflict with the 2nd law of thermodynamics? is 'electron overflow' just something you made up or is it a well known thing in physics. i find it hard to believe that electrons could be created simply by heating rubidium. the rubidium atom would need to be at an absurdly high temperature to actually create an extra electron from its thermal energy. or maybe i interpreted this bit wrong, are you saying that the electron only exists momentarily, or is the generated electron the thing which is inducing the current.
also based on my understanding of thermal energy, it relates to the kinetic energy of individual molecules and atoms, not the motion of protons/neutrons/electrons within the atom, are you saying this isnt the case, or is nuclear thermal energy something different?
im not saying i dont believe you, there are things like black body radiation which led me to believe heat exists in an equilibrium along with light/chemical/electrical energy, and if we can adjust the equilibrium somehow then we can convert heat into more useful energy, but i dont see how this machine is supposed to be doing that. what would be the operating requirements of a machine such as this? surely there would be a threshold temperature below which it cannot work.
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No.52629
>>52507
Sorry about the delay, we were taking precautions…
Still here and alive as of 7/15, haha. It's not like I'm the one that's going to patent this, I am leaving that to someone else. These sorts of ideas belong to everyone. My other posts all have the subject "You Wouldn't Patent the Sun…" and are on various pages of /x/.
Definitely no conflict with the 2nd law, the energy is definitely there. While the electrons are "virtual particles" that "come out of nowhere" they don't really come out of nowhere because the are borrowing the energy from the nucleus of the atoms, slowing their movement with each electron created. And yes, I am positing that ONLY the nucleus is what's oscillating and not the electrons. Thus, the distance between nucleus and electron field is variable.
To answer 52483's question, it's true that small objects have relatively little thermal energy even when 94% is converted to electrical. The solution then becomes covering as many surfaces as possible with the superconductive/thermo-electro inductive plating. For instance, we could coat wind turbines with the substance to extract thermal energy as well as the kinetic energy from the wind. The same could be done with tidal generators. If you could keep the costs low (probably means you couldn't use something as rare as rubidium) you could coat almost everything with this stuff.
As for the effect on global warming, I am not convinced that global warming is a definitive problem at this juncture. Who is to say what temperature the Earth is supposed to be? In any case, thermoelectrics of this type would not even come close to affecting global climate.
As for the mechanism, it has nothing to do with heating rubidium. STRONG ions (perhaps rubidium, perhaps ANY strong ion) when in proximity to a superconductor alters the properties of the 'bulk' substance, which could be a solid block of lead or the siding of your house or the paint on your car, or any object that has heat energy that you want to extract.
One of the properties of superconductors, other than the most well-known (that electrons flowing through it arrive at their destination with 0% loss and at 100% of light speed (fermions), is that when a field effect is applied to a superconductor, it is translated through the entire length of the superconductor instantaneously. For instance, a magnetic field may be translated over great distances through a superconducting wire, and it would be just as though the source of magnetism was in close proximity to the intended target.
It was with this property of superconductors in mind that I devised this concept. As for electron overflow, that was something I conceptualized myself. As for room-temp superconductors, that is someone else's work but you can read about them in recent scientific journals. I don't believe this design can work without such superconductors.
Where the strong ions come in is the field effect created when a strong ion is in geospatial proximity with even very weak anions. What I have laid out is that an atom with sufficient thermal energy when under the influence of the field effect created by strong ions (and bear in mind, translated accordingly by the superconductor) has the effect of coaxing what you might call "virtual" particles, the sort that routinely pop into and then immediately out of existence into remaining in existence permanently, since as far as they're concerned, they have an impetus for their existence. The negative charge of the extra electrons seeks to balance out the strong positive charge of the rubidium. Ordinarily, the imbalance would be corrected almost instantly. However, since the rubidium is insulated from any electron flow by the silicon substrate, they remain ionized almost indefinitely. The electrons that are coaxed out of the 'bulk' material (that material from which you are actually extracting heat) whiz right by the rubidium despite the fact that there is an attraction since the silicon acts as a strong repellent and they naturally want to continue traveling straight down the superconducting pathway.
Thus, the properties of the inducer remain constant while still being able to "pump" electrons from a thermal heat source. Once the electrons bypass the rubidium, the superconductor carries them to a traditional cathode (a simple metal contact that you can plug a DC transmission line into.)
This does fall into the realm of nanotech and it definitely depends upon finding an affordable means of manufacture, but no one has even attempted something like this before and I'd definitely like to see it become a reality.
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No.52635
OP here again, it just occurred to me what what I am describing is essentially a siphon for electrons. Same principle as siphoning gas from a Toyota, the vacuum created by sucking on a tube being the impetus for the flow of the gas. Once you have that steady vacuum, the gas just keeps flowing steadily until the gas tank in question is empty.
In this case, instead of a slight air pressure differential, we are talking about using strong ions as that impetus and we are exploiting as as-yet poorly understood area of physics. I simply refuse to believe that light and electricity can be turned into heat but that the opposite is not possible. In fact, it must be possible.
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No.52636
Oh yeah, and to answer your question about the minimum temp at which this works, I'd have to say that it's impossible to know without experimentation. I threw 10 Kelvin in there just as a guess. Even if it only worked as low as 70 Kelvin, that's still going to generate some amount of power in the coldest climates on Earth. Even things that are in a frozen state, things that seem very cold to us, they still have substantial thermal energy. In fact, if you could get, let's say, 94% of it, then that's still 282 degrees of heat that can be extracted from an object that starts out at 80F. Even though that 282 degrees is mostly in the 'frozen' territory for most elements, that heat packs just as much punch as as a kettle of boiling water.
To give you a better visual concept, imagine the superconducting wire as being at the center of a bundle. Immediately surrounding that wire is your insulator (to protect the ionization of your ionic substance) and that will have to be as thick as necessary to prevent any jumping, perhaps 18 micrometers would suffice. Then, outside of that later is your rubidium or whatever you are using, and that can be configured in a sheath-shaped configuration, hugging the 18um insulator but still being close enough to your superconductor for its field effect to be translated. Then, above the ionic substance, even more silicon. So naturally you'd have to find a way to pre-ionize that rubidium in the manufacturing process and then "lock-in" that property with that second layer of silicon. Once that's done, there's your electron siphon and then you just add proximity to anything that contains heat and you have a little quantum heat vacuum. The only limit would be the attractive force of the ions. The force will directly proportional to the exact number of electrons that are missing from the element in question. The longer the conducting wire, the more atoms worth of ions you could run along its length, and remember, thanks to the properties of superconductors, it doesn't matter how long that wire is, ALL of the effects of the ionic field will translate in full to the substance at the far end of the wire.
Any questions, let me know. Please get this into the right hands.
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No.52651
OP, these things already exist. They're called thermocouples, although they are not as complex as your rambling may lead someone to believe. They're also extremely inefficient, so you're talking about millions of dollars of resources to extract a few volts of power, when you speak of such cavalier use of rare earth elements and the kinds of manufacturing techniques required to produce "micrometer" wires.
Literally anywhere in the world can use geothermal energy if you drill a hole in the ground deep enough. You don't even need to be in proximity to volcanic activity (although that certainly makes it cheaper because you don't have to drill as deep), but just going down a few hundred meters leads to a significant temperature differential between the top and bottom of the tube, which can be directly used to spin turbines.
>>52482
Radio waves are not microwaves. Are you stupid?
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No.52666
>>52651
…ANNNND the patent thieving scavengers arrive, come to try to gaslight the OP into thinking his ideas don't have merit as they race to the patent office to steal the very ideas they attack… stay classy, friends
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No.52667
>>52651
If you think that what OP was describing was a thermocouple, you are being willfully ignorant. He went miles out of his way to make it abundantly clear that this technology was very different from existing thermoelectric compounds.
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No.52668
Why do you keep giving the thieving vampires info OP? This info will just be patented by them now, if it works.
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No.52684
>>52668
Oh noes the physics violating thingy is gonna get patented!!!111
He's trying to make a brownian ratchet in thermionic form. Get your head outa your ass.
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No.52688
sign yourself up for an MIT open courseware physics degree and come back in a couple semesters with some more concrete theoretical arguments and some preliminary experimental results.
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No.52689
>>52668
Because I'd rather see good ideas come to fruition than not, even if it means I can't get compensation. Ideas should be free and should be the commonwealth of the nation. However, that will not stop me from pointing out their shameful theft of these ideas.
>>52684
My conscience is clear. I am not the one patenting it.
>>52688
>Hurrdurr, only college students/graduates are allowed to have ideas, everyone else is a moron…
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No.52695
>>52689
No ideas are great. But you need to fill in the numerous gaps in your fundamental knowledge of science to take that idea anywhere. And I said open courseware because that frees you from the obligation to pay tuition and take a bunch of bullshit like English comp and statistics and lets you focus on the shit you need to make progress.
Don’t shit on knowledge because you think you’re better than a college student. It’s literally free advanced education. Open your mind and put it to work on this shit instead of just spouting nonsense in an anonymous image board.
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No.52697
There are solar-thermal ceramics that collect solar energy as heat and light, which stay warm for quite some time once the sunlight leaves. Power storage is getting better too. I've seen videos of people with Tesla car batteries used in their home which allows them to run high drain appliances like air conditioners. The batteries though are quite expensive but is still doable to run a home on two to four of them, especially if you have a turbine on the side to go with the solar.
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No.52746
>>52447
remember a month or so ago when an /x/ guy posted that someone had stolen his idea/honeypotvery and published it themselves just one month afterwards?
i can't even remember what it was about now, so memory-holed was it
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No.52768
>>52667
>He went miles out of his way to make it abundantly clear that this technology was very different from existing thermoelectric compounds.
He went miles out of his way to pretend that this technology was something else
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No.52780
>>52768
Wow, this guy lays it on a little thick, don't you think?
It's one thing to poke holes in things in the interests of trying to work the kinks out of an idea in a constructive way, but I am convinced this guy is only desperately trying to get the OP to delete his own thread so that he can run to the patent office and claim the idea as his own. Shameful.
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No.52781
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No.52784
I think that guy just doesn’t understand the language and terms OP used but he’s heard of a thermocouple so he’s trying to sound smarter. The reason I’m poking is because I want OP to flesh this idea out and explain the deficiencies
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No.52798
These threads get posted weekly on average, but OP would rather post on /x/ than publicly take credit for any of these designs. Why? Two possibilities:
1. This is a larp. None of these ideas work and it's all just technobabble.
2. These do work, but it's an insidious form of censorship. Should these inventions get used OP will after-claim them - as an /x/ "larp". You get laughed at, and a potential human advancement is now branded a hoax.
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No.52801
>>52798
>None of these ideas work and it's all just technobabble
Bingo. It's like every perpetual motion machine even "invented". Violates the first laws of physics and then we're supposed to pretend it actually works. Or, less commonly, they DO work, but are just gathering natural "free" energy extremely inefficiently. There is not extra fucking energy in electrons like OP says there is, that can just be pulled out of them via a collection of wires. His entire fundamental premise is flawed because the vibration of particles is just one-to-one related to temperature. There is nothing else; it's a fully-understood process. As mentioned, it is possible to extract energy from things with a high temperature, but THIS IS ALREADY DONE IN LITERALLY EVERY PROCESS THAT GENERATES ELECTRICITY with the exception of photovoltaic solar panels. And many of those (as mentioned) are significantly easier and cheaper than whatever OP is proposing even if it DID exist and function.
Let me just take a moment to pick through OP's post a little bit:
>E2 is a compound that can be forged into the form of a micrometer-scale wire and has the properties of a superconductor at room temperature
The former property is rare among elements because most any very thin wire you pass significant current through will melt. So you're limited to tungsten, same stuff they make incandescent light bulb filaments out of; but the "micrometer" throws me a little bit because I suspect that simply cannot be done with tungsten. So you're probably going to have to go with carbon nanotubes which require millions of dollars to synthesize even a few grams of. Also, they aren't "forged"; forging is when you take a chunk of steel and hit it with a hammer. Wires are made by pulling/rolling. The second property DOES NOT EXIST. The "room-temperature superconductor" is a mythical holy grail of science and engineering. No substance known by man can do it, which is why it's a frequent claim by the inventions of scam artists.
>E4 may be composed of rubidium and must be ionized, that is, deprived of as many electrons as possible.
Rubidium is fairly expensive: ~$25 per gram, and hilariously enough melts at about 100F (39C) which is scarcely over human body temperature, so the idea of cladding it over some kind of wire is just idiotic. As an alkali metal, it also tends to catch fire when exposed to atmospheric oxygen. Oops? The part about "ionizing" (which is, itself, wrong; that term means to give a particle an electric charge by EITHER subtracting or adding electrons, not removing all of them) it probably refers to the fact that rubidium has a low ionization energy. However, that only refers to the electrons on the highest "shell". The mere idea that one can strip ALL electrons from a chunk of metal is asinine. Removing all electrons from a substance would transform it into a pile of naked protons which would be… bad. A single free proton is what is commonly referred to as alpha radiation. These protons would immediately just destroy the carbon nanotubes they are hypothetically bonded to. And, again, this is a process that cannot be reliably performed by science. You can't just pull electrons off of atoms with tiny tweezers or some shit, and it would (AGAIN) be stupidly expensive even if possible.
>omnithermal superconductor
Not only does this term not exist, it's internally in conflict with the earlier claim that it would be a room-temperature superconductor.
But what I really must stress is the fact that the amount of electricity you'd even be able to get out of such a device, should it exist, would be extremely minimal. These are theoretical super-engineered compounds the type that would cost trillions of dollars to make and could instead make space elevators, quantum computers, and exotic energy sources (a pile of protons, could it be made, would CERTAINLY be energetic). And OP's plan is to… what…? Stick them in Antarctica so they could pull a few degrees' worth of electrical energy from the ice and maybe generate enough power to run a cellphone charger??
It's idiotic. Plain and simple.
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No.52821
>>52482
the larp is strong with you
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No.52822
>>52798
So how come Yale stole one of his ideas?
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No.52833
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No.52845
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No.52850
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No.52851
>>52447
>You Wouldn't Patent the Sun…
You can rest assured that plenty of vampires would do so, if they could get away with it. The same for every other common commodity, like soil, water, and air. They would tax the shit out of it all, if they could. This kind of life would be the end result of completely unrestrained Capitalism. Only in name, would 99.9999% of the world's population not be considered slaves to their vampire overlords.
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No.52864
>>52473
they need to switch themselves so they allow pre-emptive programming through
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No.52870
>>52850
OP is probably a researcher who spends way too much time trolling /x/. After posting anonymous summaries of his collaborative work to /x/ he then waits for the papers to be published to a scientific journal and cries plagiarism for internet points. In addition, he mixes in fake research (this thread for example) that people readily believe because of the real work he shared to /x/ and claimed for himself prior.
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No.52872
Wouldn't patent the sun? Lol the vampires would patent anything that makes money.
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No.52880
>You Wouldn't Patent the Sun
is that a challenge?
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No.52893
>You Wouldn't Patent the Sun…
Try me.
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No.52951
>>52801
Thank you for the coherent run down.
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No.53025
But I would parent you're sons buns.
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No.53033
OP is too irresponsible to implement this.
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