No.50637
Anybody know anything about alchemy?
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No.50646
I know a few things but be very deeply warned, these things are advanced knowledge and should not be taken carelessly and without caution.
blue + yellow = bluellow
to make a apple pie you first have to invent the universe
butter toast always lands butter side down
cats always land on their feet
for infinite energy turbine tie butter toast butter side up on back of cat and throw cat off cliff because cat will want to land on feet but butter toast will want to land on butter and cat will eventually slow down before the end of fall and begin spin wery wery fast.
do not actually ever do this it's animal cruelty.
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No.50682
>>50637
YES..
I"m actually the world expert
but turns out everyone 4chan was a dick
so I can't share….
sorry.
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No.50727
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No.50742
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No.50776
Remember that when Alchemy was a thing, it was thought in Alchemical circles that there were 4 elements; water, fire, earth, and wind. So I think there was a lot of good effort put into alchemical study, but it is mostly, if not bullshit.
Add to that how alchemy had to be discussed underground and writing on the topic had to be tip-toed around, what with the church being degenerate and all.
Also, the main goal of alchemy was to synthesize the philosopher's stone, a compound where not only could a tiny pinch be added to a pot of molten lead to turn it into gold, but mixing a bit in a drink (wine maybe?) could also cure ALL disease and sickness as well as extend one's life to crazy ages… by what mechanism could something like that work?
I'm going with the scientific method having killed Alchemy as a pastime for intellectuals with means, and the only thing I know of that came from alchemy is some geometry figures that can be used to calibrate tools, also maybe the notion of the "great work".
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No.51082
Alchemy, back when it was applicable, was simply the study of manipulating the natural world.
…aka chemistry and physics. Get off /x/ and grab a textbook
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No.51091
>>50776
You need to understand that elemental water, elemental fire, etc., are not the same as physical, material fire and water and air and earth. It refers to very broad, conceptual archetypes.
Elemental fire is expansion, sometimes called the electric principal. This can be compared to the Yang of Taoism. Elemental fire is found in everything that pierces, that puts forth energy.
Elemental water is the opposite, contraction. It is sometimes called the magnetic principal, and can be compared with Yin. Engulfing, a coming together.
Elemental fire and elemental water are thought to be the two 'prime' elements.
Air is motion. Motion occurs as a thing changes from magnetic to electric, it is an interaction and interplay between the two. Thus, air is born from fire and water. Because a thing that moves of its own accord is the basic sign of life, elemental air is also thought to be the element of life.
Elemental Earth is basically stability. It is form. It is the other three elements reaching some sort of balance and thus bringing forth a 'some-thing'. Earth is a maturity, the condensing of chaos into order.
The philosopher's stone is thought to be a psychological tool. The transformation of unwanted emotions (lead – death connotation) into wanted emotions (gold – valuable). Of course, it is the view of occultists that psychological phenomena do effect physical phenomena. So maybe literal lead-gold transmutation is possible through extensive mastery of mental transmutation.
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No.51131
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No.51743
>>50637
Most people on the internet that talk about alchemy get their info out of their asses. Either that or they will have a very "New-Age" approach to it. I would advise you learn as much as you can on the history around it and maybe familiarize yourself with the big names and why people did or did not accord credibility to them. Hermeticism is a good place to start if you want to understand where the philosophy comes from.
Things start to get wacky around the enlightenment period, particularly in the Victorian era (that's where we get most of the works written in English from). As some occulted meanings are derived from the grammar (which often is lost in translation), I would advise you study it either in French, German or Latin if you can. A lot of it has to do with symbolism, the observation of nature and its processes.
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No.51766
>>51743
The Victorian era was more than wacky. I was just watching a video that brought up Ignaz Semmelweis recently, a doctor during the Victorian era in Vienna that recommended to other doctors to wash their hands after disecting dead bodies but they wouldn't believe him, causing newborns to get diseases because of the doctors.
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No.51768
>>51743
>a very "New-Age" approach to it
The fuck does that even mean? I hate these retarded pop-culture terms.
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No.51834
>>51768
Alchemy has nothing to do with turning base metal into gold. The purpose of "alchemy" was to study the methodology of old religions, such as kabbalah, and follow the path of conversing with divinity much as our ancestors did. This turned the "base metal" of a human soul into gold, or such as that of an immortal or ascended being. Such as Adam, or Enoch, or Jesus himself did.
The first rule of alchemy is that in order to answer, you first need to be asked the right question. Seek, and you shall find.
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No.51835
>>50742
Wrong. The answer is not simply "a cube". This is the sorcerer's base mechanical, but reliable, knowledge of how to align the rules of our world with the other worlds. Much as one might spin the gears on a clock, knowledge of the cube as representative of our world among others superimposed with it, allows a sorcerer to arrive at the right answer given a specific time, place, and celestial alignment.
But it is an imperfect system. The difference is that many of our ancestors did not need the tetragrammaton system in order to commune with divinity. Our ancestors were adepts - they could cast their consciousness into the astral planes and conduct themselves there. The sorcerer on the other hand has the move the dials here and operate the means of this world to draw other being across the veil into this world. Every adept can do sorcery, but not every sorcerer is an adept.
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No.51836
>>51834
That isn't entirely true. Mineral alchemy was a thing just as spiritual alchemy was.
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No.51837
>>51834
You literally know nothing about the history of alchemy.
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No.51843
Movie Passion of the Christ. Remember when Jesus put his ear back on? That is Alchemy.
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No.51847
>>51091
What a load of absolute bullshit. How the fuck does fire PIERCE something? Hey I can make stupid shit up too. My watermelone chokes people if they chew it too fast, because it has a jackass choking quality. It's a special RPG item stat. Bitch
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No.51848
>>51743
HGHNSHFAS IM SO SMART
>insert crystals everywhere
>MUH ORGONE
>MUH ORMUS
massive horrific scams
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No.51859
>>50637
Yeah, it's called chemistry. There are free resources where you can learn about that subject.
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No.51877
>>51847
I already said that it's not referring to literal, physical fire. It's a macrocosmic archetype. Think radiation, will, electricity.
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No.51879
So, I was reading an article about alchemy on Mysterious Universe, and I noticed something strange about this picture they used. It's from a Dutch artist named Jos Ratinkx, and it depicts an alchemist at work in his laboratory. What makes it interesting is the choice of colours for the alchemist's clothes: red, white and black. Most people will think 'nazi Germany', but few people seem to know that those 3 colours were also the 'flag' of Atlantis, according to Plato (which is probably why the nazis chose them).
There's very little information about Ratinkx online, and it's all in Dutch. Why did he use those specific colours to dress his alchemist? What a strange little mystery.
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No.52300
Alchemy teaches the art and science of growing souls. Intensive Kundalini meditation training will do this. Reading a few books on spagyrics is a good start into the Hermetic perspective.
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No.53804
>>51879
I just discovered that black, white and red are also the 3 colours that the philosopher's stone supposedly goes through during the alchemical process. Very interesting. I wonder if there's a connection with Atlantis and the nazis.
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No.53835
>>50637
Well, modern alchemy is simply chemistry. However, a lot of traditional medicine finds its roots in alchemy long ago. If you're looking to turn lead into gold or concoct a secret love potion, turn elsewhere. If you're looking to make a traditional medicinal or psychoactive brew, however, alchemy might be an interesting topic to look into.
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No.55056
CIA nigger datamining again.
It is absolutely absurdly hilarious how obsessed they are with the chans. After 8ch died this site gets like 5 visits a day and half the threads here at CIAnigger datamining and slides with shock gore pics, stupid theory threads and flat earth shit.
You niggers can chill, because 99pc of people are just retards like yourself, there's nothing to slide and distract from when 99pc of people do it to themselves.
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Now to answer CIA Nigger OP's question, alchemy is absolutely absolutely NOT a purely spiritual allegory or some bullshit. It is operative, physical work. An actual physical substance can be created.
Look up a guy called Steven School philosophers stone. But I'll tldr you his books.
1. collect iron pyrite. crush up real good like powder. you need a lot.
2. soak in 5050 mix of h2o2 and distilled white vinegar. Decant the liquid and repeat 2-3 times.
3. filter decanted liquid as good as you can. then slowly gently heat down to dry at maybe 100f tops. you should get a whitish salt. be careful. if your heat is too high it decomposes. INB4 hurrdurr it's ferrous acetate. If you think that, make a sample of ferrous acetate and see what it does in the air, or even in water…
4. you can dry distill the resulting white crystals and incubate the resulting clear liquid or… incubate the white crystals directly. former method is recommended.
5. should turn white and then red.
have fun.
cia niggers get fucked again.
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No.55081
>>50637
Yes. The image you posted is the flower of life is more sacred geometry than alchemy however
>>51091
This precisely
>>51834
More that alchemy was merely one aspect of the mystery schools/traditions. You're right that the turning lesser metals into gold was the work of charlatans
>>51836
Two sides of the same
>>51837
He's mostly correct though. The history of alchemy goes back to ancient Egypt, Asia, and the Middle East, likely back to Mesopotamia
>>51859
Very few modern chemists are alchemists but all alchemists practice chemistry
>>53835
>Well, modern alchemy is simply chemistry
Incorrect, there are modern alchemists. It would be more accurate to say that alchemy created chemistry but it is not extinct or obsolete as some will believe
>If you're looking to make a traditional medicinal or psychoactive brew, however, alchemy might be an interesting topic to look into.
There are many aspects/forms of alchemy besides the Paracelsean school. There is a whole psychoanalytical/spiritual approach as researched famously by C.G. Jung
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