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 No.45336[Last 50 Posts]

Do you believe aliens created the human species, or had a hand in its evolutionary development?

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 No.45426

>>45336

isn't that just…believing in a god?

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 No.45430

God did

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 No.45962

I do.

Then we mined gold for them.

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 No.46086

>>45962

I often wonder how true this is. I mean, It is possible but why did they leave us so much gold after? Maybe a future resource to tap? Also I wonder how much gold did they take? Like, did they pick this planet because it had an unusually high amount? I can get the idea of just abandoning us and being like "Good luck, if you survive great, if not also great!". Anyway I'm fucking off and gonna check this thread in a week or so.

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 No.46144

>>45336

I'm 99% sure of it, although I don't know if they were aliens in the conventional sense (extraterrestrials) or something else. Macro-evolution in general requires some external input (probably space radiation) but human evolution in particular makes no sense the way it is commonly believed to have occurred. We're splitting atoms and exploring quantum mechanics while every other animal on the planet is busy sniffing each other's asses… even our closest primate relatives are so different from us in so many ways that it makes you wonder how could it happen. And pretty much every ancient civilisation believed that we have been created by the gods.

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 No.46153

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>>45336

>>46144

>>45962

I agree, I do think something had an external influence on our creation. Like you said, look at the evolution patters, you see so many different forms of the ape like 6? Then we are told to lump the Human in? If we all evolved along the same line and over the same time since time is theorized to be linear. Why did this one odd form the human some how leap millions of years ahead in genetic development (mushrooms open pineal gland?) but the other groups of apes are pretty much in the same time frame of genetic evolution. I think this is one of the many examples that make people more open minded to believe either an all powerful god or a hyper advanced civilization made or modified us for some reason. Some think alien for us to be servants to mine gold (kind of unlikely I think we would be more muscle and less brain, unless the muscle heads died out due to lack of ability to survive). Others think its a god or other dimensional being that again we are servants to either warship and send our energy up the dimensional latter or for us to evolve into the best traits/civilization that aligns with what ever religious book(instruction manual) happens to be the one given from said god.

Now here is when we move away from the Servant/Victim hood mind state that is so well pushed on all channels by those who claim to be in the know and into another direction that the reason we have so many religions is if you think of God as the super source or White Pure Energy flows from it and while this source of Pure White Energy travels to us through the dimensions or firmament layers it acts similar to how sunlight goes in one side of a crystal and out the other side is a rainbow formed frequencies that form different colors and temperatures and all other traits accustomed to the colors. All things thrive off of this and are not servants but parasites that try to do what ever form of groveling necessary to have an optimum levels of this said Pure White Energy

in the spectrum they evolved under and most believe its in religious forms we can best do the groveling others believe meditation and raising your own energy levels to be as close to or in tune with the Pure White Energy Source. So maybe this is why you ask the question? To figure out if A God or An Advanced Civilization created us to tune your mind to be closer to the source?

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 No.47285

God created Whites, fallen angels created non-Whites.

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 No.48978

God, the creator of the universe, created humans in his image. The fallen angels (muh Annunaki) "sinned against the birds and the beasts", genetically engineering &/or fucking extant primate species, to create the non-White "races".

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 No.48983

>>46144

I don't know about that. Most humans are not just designing ways off this rock, but are busy doing stuff that might as well qualify as ass-sniffing, plus language.

My personal theory, language is itself a kind of species-wide alien symbiote we've integrated into ourselves. All our higher advancement stems from language use and the abstract thinking it enables. Without that, we are immediately back to butt-sniffing. Though animals which can understand communications of some kind are all candidate species for language eventually.

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 No.48985

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>>47285

>>48978

Damn, there sure is a lot of tricknology in this thread, y'all are hiding from the truth.

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 No.48986

>>48983

I would describe language as a kind of cultural technology, same as writing; and maybe it's worth noting that the latin alphabet we use is a phonetic script, meaning that to each sound corresponds a symbol. This is different from older alphabets which had a symbol for each object or concept, and makes it easier to discuss complex subjects. At least one ancient tradition ascribed its origin to the god Thoth.

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 No.48988

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I have translated an excerpt from Germansk Mytologi Og Verdensanskuelse (‘Germanic Mythology And World-view’) by Varg Vikernes. The book is in Norwegian, and as far as I know there are no English translations of it. The excerpt is from ‘Part III – Conclusion’.

URL: http://archive.vn/u2yZU / http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/germansk_mytologi_og_verdensanskuelse.shtml

I have tried to keep the formal tone of Varg’s writing, and his slightly dated way of wording things. Any errors in spelling are due to my own ineptitude.

A few remarks regarding the text:

Varg makes frequent reference to three names/races/classes: Trell, Karl & Jarl. These names appear in the poem ‘Rígsþula’ in the Poetic Edda, and tells how the god Óðinn or Heimdallr depending on your take on it, using the name Ríg, fathers the three classes of Norse society:

Trell (‘Thrall’/Slave/Serf) – Fellow Norsemen and persons brought back from raids/expeditions (Celts and Englishmen) who are slaves and bought/sold as property

Karl (‘Man’) – all free people, ranging from the poorest to the rich

Jarl (‘Earl’) – the ruling elite; earls, chieftains, and petty-kings

Varg writes that this origin of the human-kinds/races happened on Atlantis, and that the ruins of Atlantis are now ‘under the ice of the South Pole, which formerly was a part of Lemuria’ when earth’s magnetic poles changed.

The ‘shadows’ and ‘mist-shapes’ Varg mentions are likely references to the story in the Prose Edda, telling how the first living being in the world, the (frost-)giant Ymir, came about when cold/ice & heat/fire came into contact, and almost mirror the Carl Sagan quote “We are made of starstuff.”

The terms ‘langskalle’ (long-head), ‘mellomskalle’ (medium-head) and ‘kortskalle’ (short-head) refer to the skull-shape of the different races as per the cephalic index defined by Swedish professor Anders Adolph Retzius (1796-1860): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cephalic_index#Historic_use_in_human_anthropology

Germanic Mythology and World-View by Varg Vikernes: https://pastebin.com/NVF852XD

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 No.48993

>>48988

It saddens me that people take Varg seriously when he talks about paganism and the nature of gods. Last time I heard, he doesn't even believe that gods exist, but he thinks they're merely racial archetypes. He's basically an atheist who claims to want to return to the ways of his ancestors, but refuses to believe what they believed. Probably the only reason he's taken as an authority on the subject is that he's famous and has a big following.

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 No.48994

even if they did, who created them?

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 No.48996

>>48994

That's a perfectly legitimate question. Even if we solve the problem of our strange existence with alien intervention, that just moves the problem to a different species. A possible solution is that the aliens are more than flesh and blood. Some authors on the subject of UFOs have now discarded the extraterrestrial explanation and instead suggested that we're dealing with something far stranger than that.

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 No.49020

Earth and man isn't organic.

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 No.49021

>>45962

I used to find that theory stupid because I assumed they could just make gold but I then thought that I could be thinking of it wrong. Creating gold takes a ton of energy while space travel could have some shortcut unknown to our current technology. It will be interesting to see which comes first, traveling the stars quickly or manipulating elements easily.

The real question though is how the hell would they know we had gold?

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 No.49022

>>45336

If we were created by an alien entity does it matter? Obviously it is shown that they have little to no regard for our wellbeing and development or else they would actually be here. As a parent, you don't just throw your toddler out like a changeling to the forest unless you intentionally want it to fail and die.

If humanity was created by an extraterrestrial race a few things should be considered.

1) It was unintentional (such as microorganism seeding from a probe or landing craft)

2) They don't care about us and in an Epicurean way we can tell they are in no way, shape, or form benevolent

3) If mankind was created rather than evolved then creation follows purpose just as form follows function

4) If we are an abandoned project that just grew larger than expected then we will all be culled just as a kid who has an ant farm would empty it all out into the trash when he's done with it

5) We cannot trust them, but may not have a choice in the matter as there might be a physiological subordination programmed into humanity at the mere sight of the ET-Creator race.

It's the only thing that makes logical sense. Unless there literally are space hippies that think it's cool to 'play god' and create an entire species that will suffer til it's end simply for their own god complex.

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 No.49027

>>45426

Depends how advanced you think these aliens are. To put it frankly, if humans weren't so touchy about genetic engineering because of bullshit moral and religious reasons, there is no reason we couldn't have developed the ability to create advanced, possibly intelligent species from scratch in the last century. Even now, with crispr, we're probably only a couple decades out. Add that to a very basic spacecraft design (like a von neumann machine) to spread the DNA of said species across the galaxy, and that's it.

Humans as we are could be seeding distant planets with humanlike alien species that they created from scratch, RIGHT NOW, and we are clearly nothing like gods in either greatness or goodness. Now, supposing humans don't end up going extinct (I'm not remotely hopeful), by the time any of those probes hit a viable planet and produce humanlike aliens, millions of years would have passed and humans will have ascended to some form of godhood… but that's kinda bending the answer.

>>46144

>>46153

The whole "lightning striking only once" thing with humans is actually false. There were SEVERAL species and sub-species of homonid that evolved before or alongside anatomically modern humans, and went extinct. Most of them either interbred with humans and then were killed off, or were simply killed off, by humans. It's less accurate to say that humans are the only species to ever stand on two legs in the tall grass, and more so to say that we're the only survivors of a millions-of-years-long Battle Royale among or close cousins that all evolved more-or-less at the same time.

The thing is, evolution is not directed. It doesn't trend toward increasing intelligence or increasing anything. It simply does what works and then if it works well enough, it STOPS. That's why there is still bacteria and fishes and snakes and spiders millions or billions of years after they first evolved: they found an ecological niche and survived just fine so had no reason to evolve further.

So the real reason why humans evolved intelligence is because they HAD TO. They were such shitty apes that were so shitty at surviving as apes, that they had to do something else. The pressure to survive pushed the need for further evolution, because what humans were doing at first just wasn't good enough. All the other apes survived just fine in their own ecological niches, and so did not need to evolve.

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 No.49028

>>49021

One way to look at it is that their science might have been advanced, but they had limited resources (including manpower). Another way to look at it is maybe they didn't come here from another planet - they might have been space travellers, or survivors from a previous civilisation. There is some evidence that humans have existed on this planet for millions of years.

>>49022

According to ancient traditions, the gods taught us agriculture, medicine, metallurgy, architecture, laws and pretty much everything that was needed to keep a civilisation running. So I think it's a little ungrateful to say they had no regard for our wellbeing and development.

>We cannot trust them, but may not have a choice in the matter as there might be a physiological subordination programmed into humanity at the mere sight of the ET-Creator race.

I've often wondered, why do we find nordic races so beautiful? There are other races that are equally as smart, strong and nice, but there's something about germanic people that makes them seem more trustworthy and noble. And I think this might have something to do with our origins. Gods were often described as having blue eyes and fair skin. Maybe, at a biological and subconscious level, we were programmed to obey them, and part of that programming is still in us today, and germanics are the closest to them in terms of appearance.

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 No.49036

>>49027

People struck by lightening are actually more likely to get struck again so that expression in general is wrong. The Eiffel Tower gets struck by lightening around ten times a year.

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 No.49038

>>49036

>People struck by lightening are actually more likely to get struck again

What's the reason for this?

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 No.49052

>>49038

My guess is that they are idiots and keep putting themselves in risk during thunder storms.

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 No.49067

>>49028

>According to ancient traditions, the gods taught us agriculture, medicine, metallurgy, architecture, laws and pretty much everything that was needed to keep a civilisation running. So I think it's a little ungrateful to say they had no regard for our wellbeing and development.

If that's the case then we've already failed their "shit-test" and will never see them again. An abandoned project so they can tend to the "good crop". I'd like to think that the reason humanity is still here is because we're akin to weeds. Even still, it would make more sense for a hyper-advanced civilization to want to destroy their rejects as soon as possible.

The most reasonable answers just question "why we should even care about them" because it is quite frank that if they actively cared we wouldn't have been left to rot for so long. A hyper-advanced civilization would have no other excuse but "because we willed it". If they're willing us into an existence we never chose and suffering for it then they are not a benevolent species and have a cruel, ulterior motive.

For example, I raise quail. I raise quail for their eggs and seldom their meat. I want my quail to succeed and thrive so I provide for them regularly. I clean them, I clean their enclosure, I make sure that if any are sick I tend to them. I also assure that I breed traits I prefer such as docility, size, and egg potential. I don't just throw a bunch of quail into a box and throw a few supplies and then check back in a year.

It just continuously begs the question that our creation was either accidental or unintentional. And before you throw the whole argument where "we're supposed to mature on our own" lemme tell you why that's horseshit. No one, and I mean no one, just lets their kids mature into complete sociopaths and psychopaths unless they are just shitty parents.

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 No.49073

>>49028

>they might have been space travellers, or survivors from a previous civilisation.

Oops, I meant time travellers.

>>49067

>If that's the case then we've already failed their "shit-test" and will never see them again.

I think the entire history of ufology shows that they're still here and lots of people have seen them.

>because it is quite frank that if they actively cared we wouldn't have been left to rot for so long

>no other excuse but "because we willed it"

I don't think it's correct to say that they left us to rot. To be honest you sound like a spoiled child who doesn't want to grow up and complains that his parents aren't doing enough for him. If we accept the ancient aliens theory, that means that they created us and educated us. Think about that for a moment.

Also, we don't know exactly why they decided to 'abandon' us. Maybe they were disappointed with our behaviour? Maybe there was a war between different alien species over control of this planet (and us)? Maybe they realised that organised religion was a more effective and peaceful tool to keep us in check than overt displays of power?

>I don't just throw a bunch of quail into a box and throw a few supplies and then check back in a year.

People have made this example before, most famously Charles Fort in his Book of the Damned (published in 1928!). There's this idea that aliens might see us the way we see cows and chickens. I wouldn't blame them if they did, because the average person is really like a domesticated animal; but I think it's a pretty crude example and not representative of our actual relationship. Do you ever look at your quails and think 'hmm, that one is cute, I want her to have my babies'? Many mythical kings and heroes were the offspring of such unions.

>It just continuously begs the question that our creation was either accidental or unintentional.

It was neither. The Sumerian myths state that they actually had to make several attempts before finally creating a functional and healthy man.

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 No.49081

>>49073

>I think the entire history of ufology shows that they're still here and lots of people have seen them.

Awesome, unmanned probes taking video surveillance. That'll show how much they care.

>I don't think it's correct to say that they left us to rot. To be honest you sound like a spoiled child who doesn't want to grow up and complains that his parents aren't doing enough for him. If we accept the ancient aliens theory, that means that they created us and educated us. Think about that for a moment.

It's 100% correct to say they left us to rot. Have you seen the world? Have you seen society? If these early mythos are the only examples you're leaving then you're not making a compelling argument. In some mythos mankind was only taught because a sacrificial character essentially gave up it's own life to teach mankind various things. The most prominent is Prometheus and Fire.

>I called him a spoiled child! That'll show em!

If we're just going to ad homenin then I think you're a fucking faggot hippy that's lost all touch with reality as a means of escapism. Even you don't wanna be on this shitty rock with all of it's wars, conflict, disease, and pollution. And no matter how hard you try to fix it, the existing superpowers want it even worse.

>Also, we don't know exactly why they decided to 'abandon' us. Maybe they were disappointed with our behaviour? Maybe there was a war between different alien species over control of this planet (and us)? Maybe they realised that organised religion was a more effective and peaceful tool to keep us in check than overt displays of power?

If they were disappointed with us then why are we still here? If there was a war out there then again, how are we here? If we have any importance in these ET's systems then we would have seen the repercussions of that war as we would be a valuable resource to target and destroy, like slash and burn in warfare. We have seen nothing, which means we're not important enough as a species to these other societies but that's to be expected. And if "organized religion" was their answer I'm fairly certain they must be proud of all the cases of pedophilia and brainwashing that go on.

>Do you ever look at your quails and think 'hmm, that one is cute, I want her to have my babies'? Many mythical kings and heroes were the offspring of such unions.

No, because it's a goddamn quail. We have to consider that because those species are so advanced, we are essentially 'animals' to them. And them liking us "like that" would be so insanely taboo that it would ruin the individual. I can tell this easily, if we were created by an ET species they would probably teach us some morals, yes? Ergo some of these morals include guidelines like "don't fuck dead bodies, don't fuck animals, don't kill irrationally" right? They would have those morals and teach them to us, therefore they would have the same system. IT makes no sense that a highly advanced alien species would want to procreate with any human (let alone any species) that is beneath them to such an extent because it would basically be zoophilia.

And don't even get me started on the principles of how abusive it is to have a hybrid spawn that doesn't fit in on either side. Don't even start.

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 No.49083

>>49081

>Awesome, unmanned probes taking video surveillance. That'll show how much they care.

Unmanned probes? Seriously? Even my mum knows about close encounters of the third kind.

>Have you seen the world? Have you seen society?

Yes, and? Why are you blaming them for our poor behaviour? Do you blame your parents when make a mistake? Prometheus's myth suggests that some gods wanted to keep us ignorant while others believed in our potential as a species. This goes back to the Sumerians as well. Since we're still here, I would argue that the benevolent side won.

If you don't want to be called a spoiled child, don't act like one, it's as simple as that. Take responsibility for your actions!

>If they were disappointed with us then why are we still here?

You don't kill your children just because they disappoint you. At worst you disown them and kick them out of your house.

>If there was a war out there then again, how are we here?

They were fighting amongst themselves, not against us.

>We have to consider that because those species are so advanced, we are essentially 'animals' to them.

They're probably smarter than us and more advanced technologically, but we have some of their blood flowing through our veins. In the book of Enoch, it says that when Noah was born, his father got scared, because Noah looked like 'one of them.' The Greek philosopher Heraclitus said that gods were immortal men, and men were mortal gods, in other words the main difference between the two species was that they lived longer than us, but other than that, we were pretty much the same.

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 No.49105

>>46144

Aliens presuppose a pure materialist reading of the universe, which is undermined by the very fact that something cannot come from nothing; neither is the human mind quantifiable by matter in any actual respect.

As usual, /x/ needs to decide if spooky monsters exist with a pantheon of idiotic pagan gods or if aliums did it, you cannot not have both.

>>49027

>To put it frankly, if humans weren't so touchy about genetic engineering because of bullshit moral and religious reasons

none of those reasons are "Bullshit", either consciousness and will and conceptual intellectual power is a exclusively human or not.

even if we create a "Advanced, possibly intelligent species", they would never be on our level, they are artifacts - merely really fast computers. if you're suggesting biomechanics, you're basically taking human persons and stuffing them into things. they could probably sue you in a court of law and win.

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 No.49106

>>49028

>According to ancient traditions, the gods taught us agriculture, medicine, metallurgy, architecture, laws and pretty much everything that was needed to keep a civilisation running

We call this "natural law", people discovering methods of doing things doesn't need "gods" or even really more advanced people around for people to figure out how to create the wheel.

>I've often wondered, why do we find nordic races so beautiful? There are other races that are equally as smart, strong and nice, but there's something about germanic people that makes them seem more trustworthy and noble

lol

>>49083

so now we're taking completely disparate mythological traditions and mashing together like marvel movies?

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 No.49107

>>49105

>they would never be on our level, they are artifacts

just as we are to God

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 No.49115

>>49107

Wrong. Artifacts are things of artifice explicitly made by men, things of nature are things with no human interference.

Moreover, God is the Creator outside of Creation; Mankind is a creature (within creation) and artifice are things made by creatures, there is no equivalence here.

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 No.49116

>>49083

>Unmanned probes? Seriously? Even my mum knows about close encounters of the third kind.

<"Hey guys! You know that planet full of dangerous savages? Let's send fully manned craft there. Not like there could be any system failures and crash-landings with no chance of returning alive, right?"

>Yes, and? Why are you blaming them for our poor behaviour?

Yes, I do. When a kid turns out shitty you blame the parents or the society the kid grew up in. My mother is a preschool teacher and it's basically 99% a fact. The only thing that explains why humanity was never 'reared' properly is that the creators (if we were created) are essentially cruel motherfuckers who just raised us for data or worse, or if humanity itself is a project. This isn't a damn Disney movie, m8.

>If you don't want to be called a spoiled child, don't act like one, it's as simple as that. Take responsibility for your actions!

If you don't want to be called a disillusioned hippie then stop talking out your ass and get your head out of the clouds.

>You don't kill your children just because they disappoint you. At worst you disown them and kick them out of your house.

Ah so you actually agree we've been abandoned then? Wonderful, now we can stop beating around the bush. If we've been abandoned then we have no reason to pay these entities homage.

>They were fighting amongst themselves, not against us.

So now that we've established that they're warlike enough to basically be considered human in that regard I can safely say that humanity would have only been a project that got forgotten. Also, since you've established that they fight amongst themselves like petty lesser species, why should we venerate them?

Also, don't even mention Heraclitus. You are completely interpreting that statement wrong. The statement is one of attempted analyzation of the immortal soul, not that humans and gods are two separate things. Heraclitus was a fan of his "stream of life" theory after all, and was a fan of principles of metempsychosis.

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 No.49117

>>49116

>The only thing that explains why humanity was never 'reared' properly

What would this even mean? If we were made by aliums, what would the point be in even ascribing human attributes and human issues to them?

>Ah so you actually agree we've been abandoned then?

As opposed to…not being abandoned?

Why do guys throw out religion as a backwards mythology, but then argue over sci-fi channel type garbage?

> Heraclitus was a fan of his "stream of life" theory after all, and was a fan of principles of metempsychosis.

Contemporary philosophy has left these guys behind a long time ago, I'm unsure how assuming we're leftover experiments merit their resurrection.

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 No.49128

>>49115

the differences in consciousness would be equivalent. we didn't inherit divine omniscience, and machines won't inherit basic existentialism. each successive creation becomes more mindless

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 No.49134

>>45336

panspermia is a perfectly reasonable belief.

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 No.49135

File: a1021c8d337eded⋯.pdf (450.45 KB, Hunters in the dark.pdf)

>>49083

>Unmanned probes? Seriously? Even my mum knows about close encounters of the third kind.

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 No.49136

>>49105

The pagan gods of yesterday were the aliens of today, but we don't actually know if they're extraterrestrials or spirits.

>something cannot come from nothing

Why not? Just because it doesn't make sense to a human mind, it doesn't mean it's impossible. There's no reason to believe that our brains would be capable of fully understanding the fundamental nature of reality. It might be completely illogical, and in fact, I'm almost certain that it is. Whether the universe created itself out of nothing, or it's eternal, or it was created by a divine mind, any possible hypothesis requires some degree of impossibility (by our logical standards).

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 No.49150

I've been thinking about this a lot lately. I should preface this by stating that until very recently, I was a staunch atheist. I'm not so sure anymore. What follows is nothing more than my wild, half-coherent speculation.

With that said:

From "The Adam and Eve Story" available on the C_A's website, we can be reasonably confident that ALL of the ancient religions have some sort of truth in them; half-forgotten tales of badly-translated partially-lacuna'd material from before the last Pole Shift.

The last surviving remnants of traditional Aryan religion are in the Hindu sacred texts. These contain references to varnas, "Varna contextually means "colour, race, tribe, species, kind, sort, nature, character, quality, property" (Wikipedia). There are four varnas:

Brahmins: priests, scholars and teachers.

Kshatriyas: rulers, warriors and administrators.

Vaishyas: agriculturalists and traders.

Shudras: laborers and service providers.

If we broadly divide the world into three 'supra-races', White (Europid and Middle Eastern), Yellow (East Asian) and Brown (African and Austronesian), the two fit together quite neatly:

Kshatriyas: rulers, warriors and administrators. Whites.

Vaishyas: agriculturalists and traders. Yellows.

Shudras: laborers and service providers. Browns.

With Brahmins being drawn from any/all of the racial categories as the most intelligent or capable members, suited to working with the alien 'gods' and passing on knowledge to their fellow people.

Subsequent migration and mixing would explain the existence of 'unusual' groups (the Polynesians, the Mongols, the Japs).

Not saying I think this is true, but just that it's a possibility.

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 No.49156

>>49150

Are you suggesting that there were no white laborers or black warriors? I'm not sure that's very historically accurate…

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 No.49182

>>49156

Of course not, nothing in the texts about the varnas implies that roles were fixed, and I agree with your (probable) point that to suggest 'single-use' races is ridiculous.

I'm suggesting that it's remotely possible (again, I don't necessarily believe any of this) that ayyys intervened in various races' evolution in order to make them better-suited for particular roles.

In my hypothetical scenario, I'd see it as actually far more likely that the 'gods' would engineer a variety of abilities into their creations, but give each varna an 'affinity' towards its 'specialisation'.

Need to raise an army from your plantation? The Shudras will fill the ranks, the Vaishyas will make up the specialists of the baggage train, and the Kshatrias will provide the officers and senior NCOs, perhaps with Brahmins (likely originating from the Kshatrias) as the seniormost officers.

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 No.49193

>>49136

>Why not?

Philosophically, metaphysically, and scientifically impossible.

>Just because it doesn't make sense to a human mind, it doesn't mean it's impossible.

Then everything is relative, there is no objective facts about the universe, which kinda puts the entire scientific field and even the computer you use into question, how are fields of science (no, even scientific hypothesis) or artifacts even possible if it is just self-conception of bouncing atoms? Nobody supports pure materialism anymore, except for Reddit and /x/, I suppose.

>any possible hypothesis requires some degree of impossibility (by our logical standards).

Do you think mathematical equations can change?

>>49128

>we didn't inherit divine omniscience

We inherited something, something unique that neither plants or animals have.

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 No.49206

>>49036

>People struck by lightening are actually more likely to get struck again

No they aren't. Where did you hear that? Because it's bullshit. The fact that most people who are struck by lightning DIE, and therefore cannot ever be struck again, should tell you have absurd that claim is.

>The Eiffel Tower gets struck by lightening around ten times a year

The Eiffel Tower is a 1000-foot tall spire of solid iron that is the tallest structure for hundreds of miles around. Something tells me you don't know a damn thing about lightning.

>>49116

>"Hey guys! You know that planet full of dangerous savages? Let's send fully manned craft there. Not like there could be any system failures and crash-landings with no chance of returning alive, right?"

See, this sums up my problem with virtually every story and myth and scripture and account of aliens OR gods. They're too FUCKING STUPID. No being that is so above humans is going to be that FUCKING STUPID!

Old Testament God is a good example. Wiped out Egypt after torturing its (innocent) citizens with plagues because Pharaoh mistreated the Hebrew people. I mean, you would THINK that an all-powerful, all-knowing, Creator God could have thought up a method to solve this conflict that didn't involve throwing a hissy fit like a fucking toddler and kicking over the blocks, but no. And He does this kind of shit on the regular - like the Flood. For shit's sake *I* can come up with a dozen better ways that DON'T involve murdering thousands of young boys, and I'm just a lowly mortal human of extremely limited scope and intelligence! (And don't even get me started with the shit like how some laws and guidelines are literally scientifically unfounded, like disallowing crop-rotation. So not only is God a colossal douchebag and very unimaginative, but He is a shitty farmer, too!)

However, I am a MODERN human. Which just goes to prove that the Bible is a story written by ANCIENT humans, who are by nature of their scope of lesser intelligence. So the reason that gods or aliens are stupid is because they are merely characters written by stupid humans. In reality, they would not be this way.

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 No.49243

>>49206

>is a story written by ANCIENT humans, who are by nature of their scope of lesser intelligence.

That's begging the question, how can you prove they were of lesser intelligence? Moses was only said to live 5,000 years ago, so they are not far away from you or I at all, biologically speaking. Would you also include people like Plato or Aristotle? Or any other great thinker in history LULZ

>I mean, you would THINK that an all-powerful, all-knowing, Creator God could have thought up a method to solve this conflict

it's fallacious to assume the God who created the moral standard is subservient to the moral standard, it's pretty easy to turn your own argument against you and say that since God already knows the outcome, it was in fact the good thing to do to send plagues upon the Egyptians.

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 No.49244

>>49206

You're the idiot making up bullshit. Look up lightning statistics yourself.

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 No.49247

>>46086

>but why did they leave us so much gold after

They took what they needed for their immediate needs, and at least, according to Sitchin they swing back around every 3,600 years to pick more up.

Ever wonder why every country in existence's main goal is to hoard a pile of gold and keep it in some kind of impenetrable fortress? Hint: It's not because it's shiny and makes pretty jewelry, or because you need it to make circuit boards.

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 No.49248

>>49247

>every country in existence's main goal

no. there was a roman writer (tacitus?) whom noted that the german tribes didn't give two figs about gold. native american indians are also well-known for not really caring that much about gold.

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 No.49249

>>49248

Yeah? Where are they now?

But, OK. I guess I misspoke. So change "every country in existence" to "every country that matters". Because, sure, there's third-world shitholes that depend on handouts from the first world (via direct donations of food/supplies, and loans from the IMF) to continue to survive.

Certainly the top ten hoard gold - that is, US, UK, DE, FR, CN, JP, IN, IT, BR, CA. Maybe (probably) others, as well. Russia doesn't make the cut for world's top ten economies, but they have gold reserves. Saudi Arabia. Israel. UAE. Whoever else.

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 No.49270

>>49249

A better argument would be that civilization necessarily entails a better appropriation of things like gold for worth in a barter economy out of necessity - gold is worthless, but tangible and very pretty, so for whatever reason most cultures develop from barter economy to a pseudo fiat gold-backed currency

but all of that kinda undermines the aliums theory you got so

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 No.49274

No but that is the new world order religion, and once enough evidence to the contrary is destroyed, people will believe it and reinterpret all previous religion as partial revelations. They say we have been "seeded" 3 times I think, and that this universe is a failed experiment, which was already tried before but we opted in again because reasons. Also there is some faggot god named Metatron who used to be a good guy but now is a bad guy or whatever and his cube is all over the fuckin planet and everywhere. All just sounds really jewy to me. They also have this 12 strand DNA thing going on and supposedly most people have less than 30 percent of their 12 strand DNA remaining, and if you believe this stuff then that means you are more pure and have more of that dna or whatever. Personally I think this is a thinly veiled admission that all this modern Dna research and accumulation of genetic data of all species on earth is in fact an agenda to engineer that very 12 strand gobbledy gook, and create a new species which will be the very aliens we are supposed to worship as our creators and benevolent betters who warned us that this whole existence thing was a bad idea in the first place. I have no evidence or reference for any of this and I hate the fact that I've even come across it but I asked for it so it's my own fault I guess.

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 No.49298

God created man in His image.

Satan and a faction of elohim (angels) rebelled because as we were created in His image the elohim were meant to bow to us.

Satan tricked Eve into rebelling against God causing our fall from grace.

God said that the seed of Eve would contend with the seed of Satan.

Satan and his rebellious elohim corrupted the genetics of mankind in attempt to thwart God's will.

God flooded the Earth.

One (maybe two) of Noah's daughters-in-law had corrupted genetics.

Noah and his sons had uncorrupted DNA.

The gods of old are representations of the fallen elohim and the mighty men of myth are representations of their genetic aberrations.

As were giants and, so I think, some if not all of the dinosaurs.

Aliens are fallen elohim and/or genetic aberrations, creations of Satan.

Satan knows what his fate is and since he hates us he is turning as many as he can away from Jesus and eternal life.

The debt for our sins has been paid by Jesus, God incarnate, all you have to do is accept his gift.

Kneel before God, repent of your sins, ask for forgiveness, read the Book, pray for discernment.

In The End God wins and His children will be delivered.

God bless and keep you all, brothers and sisters.

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 No.49362

The answer is yes.

The problem is that our language has become corrupted.

Is God not the very definition of the word "alien" (et) by today's standards?

The bigger question is:

Are we really anything more than sophisticated AI?

God guides his people, correct?

How?

God doesn't write you a text message.

Nor send you an email.

Yet God delivers information to those willing to listen to advise no one else can hear.

Sound like an OTA upgrade?

How do "aliens"communicate?

Words are worthless.

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 No.49390

>>45336

there are no proofs for aliens

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 No.49764

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 No.49851

>>49298

lets not forget that he thrown devil and his angels on earth instead of trash compactor or some shit

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 No.49854

>>49274

They are not benevolent, they are far from benevolent, they are tyranical and lawful.

Suicide is considered a very big no no for this very reason, you essensially throwing "fuck you" to them and their law.

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 No.49898

Best story I've heard is the Nummo did it.

Only thing that makes sense is we're apes that they genetically altered, otherwise nothing about humans makes much sense, heads damn near too big for the birth canal, lifespans too short for our intelligence, emotions tied to monkey primate behavior, and once you start to figure things out, you suddenly can't relate to 98% of the rest of humanity.

WTF, you ugly asexual mermaid space scientists. W. T. actual. F.

http://thenummo.com/nummo.html

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 No.50038

File: 05c75d9889063d6⋯.jpeg (106.4 KB, 1024x749, 1024:749, another planets hell.jpeg)

NO GOD CREATED US TO SUFFER, BECAUSE IN HIS INFINITE WISDOM THAT WAS A THING THAT WAS NEEDED IN THAT MOMENT. NOW WE SUFFER. SUFFERING IS WHAT MAKES A MAN ASK, "WHY?" HENCE OUR PLIGHT OF SEARCHING FOR MEANING. THERE IS NO MEANING, ONLY SUFFERING UNDER A CRUEL GOD, BECAUSE HE CAN AND WE CANT STOP THAT. THERE IS NO ESCAPE, EVER.

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 No.50225

>>45336

>Do you believe aliens created the human species, or had a hand in its evolutionary development?

I believe the dinosaurs created humans.

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 No.50227

>>50225

I want to believe.

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 No.50236

File: cff280f98826ea0⋯.jpg (127.57 KB, 854x480, 427:240, 1558409632454.jpg)

>>45336

Lloyd Pye demonstrates pretty conclusively that we're genetically modified apes in this video. Our eyes, skulls, hands, throat, and especially brain and DNA show a great leap indicative not of evolution but of genetic manipulation, specifically interbreeding with an outside source.

see also: the creation mythos of every culture and civilization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=e5qJYwfAju8

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 No.50242

>>50236

That video was good. I don't know how I never heard of Lloyd Pye before, especially being on /x/ for years. That video was way better than anything explained by Ancient Aliens and they love referencing Sitchen. Now it makes sense of all those other people talking about unlocking DNA, if that's even possible, could be if drugs gives people super strength.

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 No.50669

>>50236

>Comparing modern humans and modern apes as if one evolved from the other

Every time with these retards.

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 No.50746

>>45336

>Do you believe aliens created the human species

it's almost as if it really was like that

anyting saying otherwise?

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 No.50775

File: 98645b6d81fee37⋯.pdf (976.35 KB, bioseti.pdf)

Ever hear of BioSETI?

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 No.51422

>>46144

By closest primate relatives, do you mean black people?

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 No.53520

I believe that the Sumerians had the missing link, or were the missing link in modern human's evolution. I think the Voynich manuscripts hold the answers. So to answer the question, "Do I think aliens created humans?" Possibly. I think they probably sped up human evolution by a million years or slightly more. I think they were planning to use us as slaves except when giving us the ability to think for ourselves, we got out of control and realized we were not a free species like the rest of the animals of the world.

https://youtu.be/awGN5NApDy4

https://youtu.be/NthID9UOW-I

https://youtu.be/p6keMgLmFEk

https://youtu.be/lhtZc-nFNt0

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 No.53524

>>45336

No. They didn't.

Just good old critic mass on polymers.

Next question

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 No.53594

>>49027

> There were SEVERAL species and sub-species of homonid that evolved before or alongside anatomically modern humans, and went extinct. Most of them either interbred with humans and then were killed off, or were simply killed off, by humans.

I’ve heard this again and again, but I r yet to see a single person including mainstream scientists who can show me examples of all these proto-human cousins outside of the well known Neanderthal, Cro-Mag, and a few other Homo* Genus varieties. But I see no compelling evidence to show how those species resulted in modern Caucasoids, Mongoloids and Negroids.

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 No.53595

HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.

>>53594

This might be related to your question.

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 No.54138

>>45336

the truth, if you go astral projection, you will understand that god is the source of everything.

have a happy day schzio anon

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 No.54170

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>>49247

>>46086

>>49248

>>49249

>>49270

NATIVE AMERICAN also includes those tribes that were creating comparable civilizations in the Yucatan Peninsula and into South America. Gold was being used. My opinion is that those major civilizations that were using gold are the actual SLAVES of the aliens. The other humans that quit using gold as a valuable trading item were also the first humans to become woke.

I believe, according to Sitchin, that Earth wasn't chosen as the go-to place for gold. Before Earth, the ANUNNAKI were mining for gold from the asteroid belt. They had not yet made it to Mars, Earth, Venus, and Mercury; because they existed outside the solar system. So, that means that you would start backwards before you would find Earth; and the solar system is a big place.

When the ANUNNAKI's home world first came into our Solar System, it tore apart a planet that they called TIAMAT. The remnants of TIAMAT became the asteroid belt, and the planet Earth was actually a moon of TIAMAT.

TIAMAT was a large planet that had lots of water and gold, and Earth (being from TIAMAT) was also rich in water and gold.

The Earth wasn't found (according to Sitchin's translations) by the ANUNNAKI because they were searching for gold, because the planet Earth had yet to be discovered. The ANUNNAKI discovered Earth because ALALU was usurped by ANU as the King of NIBIRU. ALALU escaped NIBIRU in a spacecraft, and ALALU describes each planet and the asteroid belt on his way to Earth. (pretty amazing descriptions, beings that the Sumerian civilization existed over 5000 years ago…perhaps even older!)

ALALU makes it to Earth and crash lands (kind of like the Planet of the Apes or the Empire Strikes Back) his spacecraft in the area of Iraq in Mesopotamia.

This is where ALALU finds gold in abundance and uses that as a "bargaining chip" with ANU. ANU sends his son EA to earth (later, EA's name changes to ENKI…Lord of Earth) and sets up the first ANUNNAKI settlement and scientific study of the region and planet.

ENKI and the ANUNNAKI build the city of UR and the EDIN (or Eden). ANU then sends his other son (ENKI's half brother and heir to the throne of NIBIRU) to earth. His name was ENLIL. ENLIL took control and rulership of The EDIN and of the Earth. So, ENKI was usurped by his brother ENLIL. ENKI was given command of the Red Clay lands that were also rich with gold (that had to be mined). This Red Clay/Soil land was known as the ABZU and was believed to exist in Southern Africa.

It was here that the ANUNNAKI miners began to complain of fatigue and began to go on strike, so ENKI and his scientists looked into finding Earthling creatures that could do the work for them. This lead to a number of genetic experiments that eventually led to the creation of human/alien hybrids that could not procreate on their own. To make more human/hybrids, the ANUNNAKI had to use the wombs of ANUNNAKI volunteer females, and the ANUNNAKI females were beginning to become fatigued as well and refusing to bear human/hybrid children anymore.

So, ENKI and his head scientist (which also was ENKI's sister/half-sister) created the first human being that was able to procreate on their own.

These are the ones in the Book of Genisis that would be known as Adam and Eve, but according to the Book of ENKI, they were known as ADAPA and TITI.

Since ENKI used his own DNA and his half-sisters DNA to create ADAPA, ADAPA was a direct descendant of ANU.

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 No.54414

>>45336

in tha bigining there was only man '

then da alliums genetically monsanto'd man and call them "hu-man"

why the name hu-man? because thos genetically modified cave mans was meant as toys for da allium tadpoles to make them go huhuhuhuhu with all the stupid funny things hu-mans do when they play with them

the truth is real!

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 No.54810

>>45336

We did. We are genetically engineered from DNA found here spliced with their DNA. Problem is, said aliens have a lot of different places they take care of and enemy aliens began an attack on these places. So they had to go to take care of it all and another portion of the enemy alien forces came to our pocket of space and Earth has been under enemy alien occupation for the past several thousand years. Turns out, space is very big and our original creators are returning back to Earth to take care of things. Aliens are very spiritually advanced and can astral project. I assume with more than one body at a time. So yea, when someone "hears" voices that compel them to do some fucked up shit like murder people, more often than not, said person is somewhat psychically open (but unprotected), and enemy aliens are the ones putting the thoughts into their mind. Hell they can even project emotion into you and it would feel like your own. When Nikola Tesla said that his mind is like a receiver, that's factually true. Everyone can be psychic, but the knowledge on how to meditate in a proper way that leads to such advancements is what the enemy aliens have manged to purge from the face of the Earth and because of this, our souls have been atrophying. That's why people don't see ghosts or anything supernatural happens anymore for them. Because their souls have been atrophying. Meditation is exercise for the soul, for a lack of better words (but understand there are inherent dangers when it comes to these enemy aliens).

And people who think they stay away from the occult are actually even easier to influence with it than those who practice/learn about it.

The matrix of Earth is occult in nature. A lot of people's actions that they think is their own, is really influenced by occult means and not really their own. "God" is not real. That's one of those enemy alien concepts. We do have a creator, but it ain't who we like to think it is.

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 No.54844

>>49067

A group that properly can create life and biomes

A group, like gypsies, can only fiddle and fuck with the first group's creations – edit, but not create properly (or is many orders inferior, yet beyond our own at time of discovery)

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 No.54855

>>54138

word. lol perfect.

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 No.54858

File: fc251677a040e76⋯.webm (3.71 MB, 640x480, 4:3, 1508073289034.webm)

>>45336

We are aliens you stupid nigger.

Do you think all those missing links and sudden developments of distinct and not related races (out of apefrica is thoroughly BTFO) came from nowhere?

This is but a petri-dish for genetic farming, lolcows and a test.

If you really want to go further to the astral realms, we are all the same shit subjectively experiencing itself, perspective forms reality and in paradox lies truth. But that's for another bread.

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 No.54863

>>54858

Not bad. I feel less alone now in my endeavors.

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 No.54875

This might sound like a cope out but why are we assuming that our creators would operate on the basis of our own logic? Our whole existence could be a momentary, passing thing imagined by a god or something like that. I find this type of discussion to be useless, sorry if I'm bothering

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 No.54879

>>54875

Brion Gysin had the all purpose nuclear bed time story - the all purpose bedtime story, in fact. Some trillions of years ago a sloppy dirty giant flicked grease from his fingers, one of those gobs of grease is our universe on its way to the floor - splat.

-William S. Burroughs

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 No.54915

no,the aliens are cianiggers

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