/x/ - Paranormal

>>26617

>willingly giving loosh to a psychopathic kike desert demon who hates you and will never do anything to help you

I used to do this too tbh. Stopping was one of the best things I ever did. If you have European roots, why wouldn't you want to explore gods that are more relevant to you (especially if they have seemed willing to listen to you and improve your life)? What has Christianity ever done for you? Do you really believe the form of Christianity you are involved with? Does Yahweh ever communicate with you?

BTW, you may have more luck with this on /fringe/.

>>26617

I also gave up on the Christian god when I was 15, for the same reason as you. A lot of intense praying and good will on my part, no answers from him. I've considered becoming a Pagan, but I don't really believe in the Pagan gods either. Call me a fool if you want but I think the ancient "gods" were actually just a small group of technologically advanced people, maybe from another planet. Kind of like when a primitive tribe sees a plane for the first time and they think the pilots are gods.

But I honestly don't know how to explain what happened when you tried to evoke Freyja. Maybe I'm wrong and the gods do exist after all. I think you should try to perform the ritual a second time and see what happens.

Nobody can tell you what faith to choose, it's something only you can decide. But I suggest that whatever choice you make, you should give it some time to see if it works for you. Don't go back and forth from one religion to another, that's just disrespectful to the gods.

>>26620

Actually, you fucking moron, according to the Book of Enoch, Yahweh and his angels were blonde and blue eyed with milk-white skin.

A gf is for one life, hell is forever, just stop raiding pol with your crap please.

>>26627

What the hell are you talking about?

>>26629

About the duration of "carnal existence".

>>26617

OP, read my thread.

https://8ch.net/x/res/25992.html#q26095

easy version:

Basically the best advice I can give you is this:

>all religion is wrong

>all religion is designed to get in everyones way and tie them up with tedious obsessive busy work that accomplishes nothing and gets them nowhere (just like school jobs in this world)

>relgion also likes to trick people into thinking they need to go to a special building to worship God

>the bible is flawed and imperfect because human people wrote the bible and human people are flawed and imperfect (many examples in the bible where both good and bad people had a chance to write/add things in while it wasn't done yet)

>the word of God doesn't come from the bible. everything here is a false idol including the bible, money, politicians, kings, presidents, and so on.

>the word of God comes straight from God and ONLY God.

so basically you should simply:

>love and believe in God and know that God is everywhere.

>treat others how you want to be treated

>>26623

>I've considered becoming a Pagan, but I don't really believe in the Pagan gods either

I think paganism is more supposed to be a cultural thing where you're trying to keep the traditions of your ancestors alive.

>>26634

Wrong, there is no god

>>26637

*tips fedora*

>>26634

Ancient pagans didn't have temples though. They worshipped outdoors, typically under sacred trees. It seems to me you're describing Christianity rather than "religion in general".

>>26636

Nowadays that's probably true. Most Pagans even claim to believe that their gods are basically just symbols or archetypes. Despite what they say however, I doubt this was always the case.

>>26639

>Ancient pagans didn't have temples though. They worshipped outdoors, typically under sacred trees.

I just realised that I was thinking about Northern European Pagans. Of course this doesn't apply to the Greeks or the Sumerians. I have to say though, that originally Pagan temples were not places of worship, but rather houses where the gods lived.

>>26638

Go back to /christian/, kid.

>>26639

>implying you MUST go to speshul tree to pray

fuck that

>>26642

fuck christianity, fuck judaism, fuck all the religions.

I love God, that's it. I don't need some stupid religion to control me like the government tries to, to get between me and God.

>>26624

>muh perfect Aryan ubermensch

Fuck, at this point I don't know whether to laugh at the sheer faggotry, or cry at the sheer stupidity.

>>26671

Keep up the lake of fire boogeyman, better not let those damn Europeans enjoy their real faith. Just know that your brazilian favela shithole called Christian 'heaven' will be filled with 'godly' niggers and spics. What a paradise.

>>26741

>Keep up the lake of fire boogeyman, better not let those dam

Just ignore the pic.

>better not let those damn Europeans enjoy their real faith.

Islam?

>Just know that your brazilian favela shithole called Christian 'heaven' will be filled with 'godly' niggers and spics. What a paradise.

Read a book, you really need it.

>>26742

Islam has Christian scripture to thank for its existence.

Go fuck yourself, Abrahamist.

>>26806

>Islam has Christian scripture to thank for its existence.

Like talmud.

>>26806

>Go fuck yourself, Abrahamist.

Anal magic is for pagans

>no qt pagan gf to open third eye

This might be a decent place to ask.

I'm having the same kind of issues. I was raised Southern Baptist, went through my edgy atheist phase in my early to mid teens, dialed it back to agnosticism and have since slowly moved towards the "I believe there's a higher power, but I can't say what it may be."

What do I do? It feels strange not going for Christianity, as it was what I was raised on and it's been a staple in my nation for over 300 years, and in the European homeland for even longer.

HOWEVER a lot of the customs my nation participates in come from European Pagan rituals and celebrations, and truly, these pagan gods and goddesses are the deities of my forefathers, and that draws me to it. Like Christianity though, it's full of fags and degenerates inb4 /pol/ leave and I can't seem to find good material to read up on the old faith.

What would you guys recommend doing?

>>26827

Well, what do you want?

Do you want to feel part of a community? Then choose the religion/church that has the best community (according to you). See if you can find a Pagan association that recognises the importance of blood and soil.

Do you want to stop being a plebeian? Then study metaphysics. Religion is just dumbed down metaphysics for the masses.

Do you want to find your own path? Then start meditating and spend some time in the woods, contemplating nature. There's a saying in the Vedic tradition: one gets to God through nature, one gets to nature through God.

does anyone have a link to the ritual instructions?

>>26825

Well, i am not exactly a pope fan, but if you think that washing and kissing somebody feets is worse than take a dick in your anus, well… what can i say, you are faggot.

>>26834

>Religion is just dumbed down metaphysics for the masses.

Maybe the best option, but remember that the "masters" of this at the end followed christianity untill they were destroyed at talmudists hands at kitos war, then the survivors created bizantium.

OP Here

>>26827

Yeah I had that Atheist phase too (Still subbed to the Youtube channels in fact). Now I also believe in a higher power and currently that's still the christian god but I'm not sure what to do because it's just not clicking with me and I've had no personal experience with it but I have had a personal experience with Freyja.

>>26843

I second this, I remember having a link to a list of Runes that you would pray over for different things to different Gods, but I don't have it now.

I mean, your cats freaking out should've been the first sign to stop.

If you want comfort on Earth Christianity is not the religion for you. The idea of prosperity being a sign of God's affection is an extremely modern one and many of His saints had some of the most shit lives you'll ever read about. Seriously Job's got nothing on some of those guys.

>>26834

>>26854

These anons have the right idea, but it requires effort.

First thing you should do is read a guy called Parmenides as well as papers on what his philosophy actually was. Not much of his original writings survived but the jist is still there and once you comprehend the actual questions proposed your mind will open to a new mode of thinking.

Then you want to read Plato's Republic, Aristotle's Nicomachean ethics followed by the Metaphysics. Then you might want to read Augustine's City of God but you can honestly give it a pass in favor of Aquinas on Being and Essence it's selections from the Summa Theologica I'm not pointing you to the Summa in general because you don't have 100 years.

Finally you want to read (and hopefully by this point are capable of understanding) Heidegger's Sein und Zeit as well as his Identität und Differenz.

At that point you've pretty much covered the most compelling metaphysical concepts out there and can honestly say you're prepared to make an informed decision about your beliefs. Contemporary religion IS as the first anon said dumbed down metaphysics, but as the second anon implied every surviving religion has deep metaphysical philosophy beyond the surface and you should investigate metaphysics itself in a search for meaning or truth.

I didn't recommend Nietzsche because frankly Heidegger is better, but do read Beyond Good and Evil if you're having trouble getting into Sein und Zeit.

best advice

Basically the best advice I can give you is this:

>all religion is wrong

>all religion is designed to get in everyones way and tie them up with tedious obsessive busy work that accomplishes nothing and gets them nowhere (just like school jobs in this world)

>relgion also likes to trick people into thinking they need to go to a special building to worship God

>the bible and all religious texts are flawed and imperfect because human people wrote the bible and texts and human people are flawed and imperfect (many examples in the bible where both good and bad people had a chance to write/add things in while it wasn't done yet)

>the word of God doesn't come from the bible. everything here is a false idol including the bible, money, politicians, kings, presidents, and so on.

>the word of God comes straight from God and ONLY God.

so basically you should simply:

>love and believe in God and know that God is everywhere.

>try treat others how you want to be treated (we can only try our best)

remember people, I'm talking about the ONE and ONLY God here. the infinite, beyond infinite. eternal

>>26871

M88, your points specifically address all that is wrong with Abrahamism.

Europe's Old Ways did not demand you to grovel before their Gods like Yahweh did; They did not demand you to attend the Temples - But it was good to do so since you would get to enjoy the company of your kith and kin.

Abrahamism is the real cancer that impedes humanity - In contrast, The Old Ways were empowering to the individual

>>26878

Actually, it's clear from the writings of some philosophers that the Pagan gods demanded respect too. They demanded sacrifices, sometimes human sacrifices, and a lot of people were afraid of them.

There were also legal consequences for not worshipping the same deities as everyone else. Impiety towards the gods was half of the reason Socrates was put on trial and considered guilty.

Some gods might have been more benevolent than others, and Yahweh was a tyrant who only cared about war, but this idea that the ancient European Pagans were free to do whatever they wanted and were "empowered" by their religion, is a modern fantasy.

>>26885

Perhaps for the Meds. I forgot the Hellenes.

But the Celts saw their Gods as literal bloodkin, and the Germanics saw them in a similar light.

>>26900

We don't know much about the original Celtic and Germanic religion, since they weren't civilised enough to have a written culture; Julius Caesar tells us that the Celts performed human sacrifices. I see no reason to believe that they had a special relationship with their deities.

>>26620

You never knew god and your post proves it. Better read the bible and repent. He'll help ANYONE who calls upon his name, no exceptions.

>>26932

But the christian god never did anything to help me. My life has been misery

Literally the plot to vikings.

Nigga gtfo

>>26947

Never heard of help yourself and God will help you?

He isn't your little bitch

>people actually talk without knowing shit about any religion

I'm a theologian, I've studied religions all over the word and of all time periods, if you need any info I will lurk this thread for a while

sorry for the English, I'm not native

>>27184

>I'm a theologian

Hahahahaha! How does it feel to waste your life making up theories on god?

You probably don't even know that Yahweh was just an irrelevant tribal god and it was only thanks to theology that he became the creator. He wasn't even the one who created mankind (Enki did).

>>26947

The christian god promised the jews would be destroyed, first they would be cursed to wander, then they would be purged from the land of others, then when they had their own land it would be destroyed by an army from the north.

two out of three have come true, the christian god is going to bring destruction to the jew.

also this you entitled fag:

>>27184

>>27186

>muh yahweh

if you knew anything about the bible youd know there are are multiple gods in it, the one true creator is the one whom christians follow.

>>27199

Lol, if you knew anything about the bible you would know that it doesn't even talk about creation. There are multiple gods yeah but they aren't actually gods, they're just powerful people.

>>27202

Define 'god' as other than 'really powerful person'

>>27205

A spiritual entity that transcends time and space.

>>27184

>Never heard of help yourself and God will help you?

oh yeah? well isn't that just convenient for god. pretty weird how basically all his "actions" have to piggyback human accomplishment. it's almost as if…

Have you faggots not even read Manly P. Hall The secret teachings of all ages?

Shit explains that ancient pagan religions were indeed symbolic of metaphysics and mystic truths, which the highly trained priests and druids understood, but the masses didn't. And it also elaborates on how Christianity drives it's power and meaningfulness from the same esoteric principles that were encoded in pagan mythos, except for the most part literal monotheism has emasculated this strength.

I am very much in favor of the esoteric view that all these different mythos (including the biblical corpus, although it's highly derivative and infected with Jewish ethos) are the results of various cultures exploring the metaphysics of the human condition. The myths are a road map to understanding the racial soul of each different race. That's why, while there are a variety of similarities between systems, they also have irreconcilable differences.

My own favoritism towards the Norse myths for understanding myself doesn't come from a loyal belief in Odin et al being "the true gods", but from understanding Odin as being the most accurate symbol of Nordic Aryan mystic ethos, with Thor being the most accurate symbol of Nordic Aryan masculine ethos, etc. for each of the Norse gods and tales, there is something about the (uniquely Nordic) soul and human condition that it expounds.

The same goes for a system like the Hindu pantheon, but for people of Indian descent.

There can be converts from one race to another race's mythos, but it's a grafting-on of a foreign branch to a races unique body. This is why Jesus uses the example of grafting branches into the vine, because he knows there will be gentle converts to his system, which evolved from the ancient Hebrew mythos, to which the new converts can join but they aren't indigenous to.

I was a Christian before. But this religion bears am inherent focus on Hebrew history and completely ignores my own blood heritage. It made me feel like an alien to myself. After learning about esoteric philosophy and metaphysics, I came to realize that Jesus was trying to make good followers see these those principles for what they really were, instead of being led astray by the Jewish religion which treated everything as if it were the one true literal truth and law.

After realizing this, it became increasingly obvious to me that the ancient Hebrew encoding of these principles left something out for me. It became more and more odd to me to draw inspiration from those who never were my ancestors, whose heritage I was trying to appropriate. So now I have broken myself away from the Hebrew vine, and return to the mythos of my fathers, which, having evolved and grown from Nordic Aryan souls and blood, is more home to me than the Christian mythos can ever be.

>>28556

If the ancient pagan religions were just "symbolic", why did the Sumerians build actual houses for their gods? Why did the Greeks believe that their gods lived on Mount Olympus? Why did Plato say that each god ruled over a specific area of the world?

I think you're overestimating Manly P. Hall. He was just 27 when he wrote that book and he was working from a spiritualist perspective, so obviously he would say that the gods weren't actually real, but the ancient sources disagree with him. Who are you going to believe, Homer or some guy who lived in the 20th century?

>>28565

>I believed in God

>I worshipped an idol

You're an idiot or a Jew.

>I asked God for pussy but he didn't answer

Definitely an idiot. Stop having faith with your dick.

>>28560

But I do think those gods are real, because their respective races are real. The physical locations and temples are as much a physical manifestation of the gods as the races that worship them. I am still unsure if they have bodies or are only astral, but the macrocosm is just as real as the microcosm, and we humans are the microcosm. If Odin is real in my aryan soul, it's because he's real somehow and somewhere in the macrocosm which gave birth to the microcosmic humans.

I am real

>>26853

the pope's actions are symbolically identical to taking it in the ass. both are universal expressions of complete submissiveness.

>>26871

this is the only reasonable thing in this thread. basic life experience should tell you any human-led institution (ie every religion on earth) is inherently self-serving, and all of it should be taken with a grain of salt. trusting your senses, your experience, and your intuition is the best you can do in this world.

>>26627

>give up on this life, goy

>show brotherly love towards the Muslims flooding your country

>support Israel and receive your reward in the afterlife

Not this time, merchant. Not this time.

>>26853

Let me ask you this: why the fuck did he deem it necessary to kiss the nigger's feet? Wasn't it enough to wash them? Was it really necessary to imbue the act with such a sexual component?

Also: it was worse than anal sex. A man who takes it in the ass, takes it in the ass. A pope who kisses an invader's feet takes it in the ass in the name of all of Christendom.

>>26871

>try treat others how you want to be treated (we can only try our best)

Why?

Bonus question: why should I treat others well when they have no intention of reciprocating?

>>26932

>He'll help ANYONE who calls upon his name, no exceptions.

My experience was thus:

>read the Bible

>come to believe in God, take my practice of faith directly from Jesus's sermons in the Gospels

>give to beggars without telling anyone (Matthew 6:1), pray the Lord's prayers every morning (Matthew 6:5), don't judge others and obsessively forgive every slight against me (Matthew 7:1, Luke 6:37), worry about evil thoughts (Matthew 5:27, Matthew 18:6).

>believe, earnestly, Matthew 17:20:

>Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.

>my teacher's husband becomes ill with cancer

>I pray for his recovery every day

>he dies 3 months later

Cum on lad, step it up.

>>27184

>Never heard of help yourself and God will help you?

The phrase comes from Sophocles, not the Bible.

Once you actually understand what the Bible talks about, a lot of things become clearer. For example, why doesn't God answer your prayers? It's actually quite simple. The god of the Bible is just one of many tribal gods, his name is Yahweh and he's the god of the jews. He doesn't answer you because you're not one of his people.

Jews understand this, but Christians mistakenly believe that Yahweh is their father too, and so they pray in vain.

>>28615

>The god of the Bible is just one of many tribal gods, his name is Yahweh and he's the god of the jews.

While I agree when it comes to the OT, the NT states:

>There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:28

The NT promises full fellowship in the Covenant to anybody who believes in Christ.

>>28618

True, but Yahweh and Jesus are two different persons, one is a god (elohim) and the other is a demigod. Assuming that Jesus actually existed, and that he's still alive (demigods live longer than humans but not as long as gods), he might not have the authority to fulfill people's wishes, or for all we know he might be preaching on another planet right now.

>>28620

demigod actually refers to one with supernatural abilities not nessesarilly being children of gods

>>32454

I think the definition of a demigod is the child of a god and a human.

>>32460

The more modern usage is that typically since it references Hercules and such but demigod also denotes a being either of minor divine status or a mortal man rose to a divine state.

>>26617

Op share your ritual, I need to get a wife

>>32471

I would like to know as well

>>26917

And the Romans also considered human sacrifice to be the most evil thing in the world. The fact that Caesar wanted to conquer their land and needed a just reason to invade is probably just coincidental. Still, they did sacrifice as all pagans did. And there is just as much evidence that they preformed human sacrifices as there is to the contrary.

>>26885

I'm pretty sure most pagan religions just brought the other peoples gods into their own. Pretty sure the Romans only hated the Christians because they actively refused the other gods. Whatever the fuck the Mongols believed in allowed for other religions considering it was all tied to their homelands. So I don't think you were forced to worship them, you just had to not piss them off. Which actually leads to your point: most pagan gods don't care about you when they aren't actively hating you. That was honestly the most amazing thing about the Abrahamic god. Not only did the guy care about you, he actually LIKED you.

>>32586

As far as I know, in pagan societies you could worship any deity you wanted, so long as you also took part in the official rituals. Religion was a very public affair.

I'm going to try to get you a better gf. There is definitely magic within you anon. Keep it up! I asked God for superpowers when I younger and it worked! With oddly particular details too!

>>28609

>[try treat others how you want to be treated]

If you can't understand this simple statement, then I don't know what else to say….

FOr starters, the Norse gods were distant beings who were so "other" that they had little, if any, relationship to mankind. You don't pray to Freyja and have her make a house call. He existence would shred your reality. The eddas are full of examples of encounters with gods that ended horribly for the devout because the gods have their own agendas, good bad and everything inbetween. More than anything, you factor into Odin or Freyja's day about as much as all those aphids you killed on the way down your patio to the car do in yours.

The heart of ancient norse and germanic paganism was land spirits and house wights. Local entities were the meat and potatos of animism, not gods. Alfar, disir, landvaettir, and most especially ancestral wights are what you want to look into if you're serious about this. Leave Freyja to her business.

I'm not saying god cults didn't exist in the greater germanic scheme, but they were usually very specialized applications and not wholistic spiritual experiences. They were military cults, benefactors of Odin's berserker wrath. They were practitioners of Seidr and galdr, practices which invoked a sense of respect from society, but also of fear and distrust.

The gods did not create reality, but they shaped it when Ymir was slain. What business do you have with them? I wouldn't waste their time if I were you, but it's your skin.

Go to norse-mythology.org and begin with the lesson on animism. Then be prepared to be disappointed with the alt-right larper community who has destroyed what could have been a germanic pagan awakening in the US. Asatru/odinism is faggotry incarnate and a disgrace tot he gods.

>>33146

The gods are just aliens.

>>28610

You should not have prayed for his recovery but for his soul, anon. What God does is not within your hands. Do remember that , when you pray the lord's prayer, you say "Thy will be done". That means you allow God to lead you as he sees fit. Being a man of God is not like having an okcupid profile; there's no cheating your way into getting things. You shouldn't have done those things you listed just because it's in the bible; you should've done it because it was in your heart to do it.

>>26624

The book of Enoch generally isn't considered part of the biblical canon any more than Plato's republic. Though Christ referenced it, that was merely to allude to culturally relevant material.

>>26648

>implying praying by the tree doesn't makenit special

>>26862

You were there when it happened m8.

So I guess you otta know.

>>33201

I know it's not considered canonical by most Christians, but so what? I don't care about theology, what I'm interested in is history. From that point of view, the fact that an ancient book describes the gods as nordic-looking is significant, don't you think?

More and more people in Greece are starting to worship the old Gods.

>>33590

Yeah Pagans do have pretty good parties.

We only have five holidays every year, and we celebrate them all in the exact same way:

Big bonfire, drink lots of wine, dance nude around the fire, have sex with every woman in the village until sunrise.

Has Christmas beaten by a mile.

So go mourn your God every week. We celebrate ours.

>>33590

You wouldn't sacrifice your children to Odin for anything. Are you simple?

>>33638

>roleplayers