dad3ca No.16929480[Last 50 Posts]
Which is the better game, and why is it Final Fantasy Tactics?
Has anything come close [to Tactics Advance] since?
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24c8b2 No.16929481
>>16929480
The OST of tactics ogre blows FF out of the water and the guys actually look like guys.
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1aa0f6 No.16929483
FFT isn't actually a good SRPG. Its busted beyond belief and has level scaling for random encounters.
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61e34e No.16929503
>Which is the better game
Tactics Ogre.
>and why is it Final Fantasy Tactics?
I have to assume you're asking why they chose the name "Final Fantasy Tactics" and the answer is simply that it's a Final Fantasy game and the SRPG grid makes it more "tactical".
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34a261 No.16929512
I tried both of these games and DnD tactics. I just couldn't get into them very much, I really wanted to like but the grind and or needing to know of some secret way to do something like class change or recruitment or some other shit kinda set me off.
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238c78 No.16929535
I like both games and worlds. would love to a big budget squeal to either. my main gripe with FFT is that every vision of the game has some technical problems. the only port of the game still being maintained by SE is the wonky android version (updated to work on the latest OS but still no controller support! and they've never fixed the reverb sound effects)
So the only "real" options to play OG FFT is either the PSX version with a completely botched translation (or learn moon and track the JP version down), or the busted PSP version that has broken animations that require a fan patch to make the game even remotely playable (still no fix for the reverb sound effects) and the added cgi cutscenes along with old-timey english sounding script might also be considered downgrades by hardcore fans.
would be nice if we could get a decent PC port without Korean MMO sprites, vaseline filters, menus designed for mobile, added censorship and general brokenness that will never be patched by SE themselves. I wish we could have an "Open FFT" project like the X-Com fans have. I guess worst of all both series are basically dead with no chance of coming back….
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a63c81 No.16929536
>>16929512
D&D Tactics is highly pedantic about the rules (to the extent of making an apology ingame for failing to get a mechanic right (it was feat qualification in cases where you get 2 feats in the same level))
its greatest fault is in its menu interface, which presents things in an unnatural order
definitely takes patience to figure it out
Tactics Ogre you could be forgiven for not getting into; the first time a guy died on me he cursed my name for failing to provide proper backup. I think I dropped it after that.
as for Final Fantasy Tactics, well, if you couldn't get into it then it's probably not your genre. If you still want to give the genre a try, check out Monstania on SNES (you'll need a translation patch)
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238c78 No.16929551
>>16929480
>>16929535
I've heard about Final Fantasy War Of The Visions (Brave Exvius). it "looks" nice but i'm afraid to try it out because I'm betting its not going to even be a real game with a beginning a middle and an end. I'm thinking its going to be an endless gacha grind fest like granblue fantasy. and perhaps the biggest problem I have is that at some point it will be removed from the service just like Mobius Final Fantasy and Imperial SaGa. (I can't stand the idea of putting time and money into a game just to have it deleted, its why i don't bother with mmo's) outside of all that… has anyone tried it yet?
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238c78 No.16929560
>>16929536
>D&D Tactics
is that a PSP game?
>Tactics Ogre
I've been meaning to do a replay of "march of the black queen le" on PSX (I don't like the feel/speed of the SNES version and I think the PSX version has way better music) after that I was going to play the GBA and N64 offshoots (just got my N64 setup for RGB)
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8a5eac No.16929569
Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark pretty alright, but I went into it expecting a mediocre game. I wouldn't bother playing it at the moment, since they're apparently releasing a DLC soon that expands monster classes and adds new content. The gameplay was fine. The animations were off-putting and the story feels like it was written by an advanced elementary school student. I mean that - the writing is the absolute worst part of this game, by far. It's cringe-worthy at points. The music was pretty decent, though. It's very transparent about cloning Final Fantasy Tactics and Tactics Ogre, and even has some 'hidden classes' lifted straight from Tactics Ogre. I would say the game is worth pirating, but you might as well wait for them to finish releasing stuff for the game. It would be a much weaker game if it had practically any competition for new releases in the vain of Final Fantasy Tactics/Tactics Ogre.
>>16929551
I didn't realize this actually released until a few days ago. I wanted to try it, but I read multiple people complaining that the paywall was very fast and very steep.
>>16929480
>Has anything come close [to Tactics Advance] since?
No, I haven't been let down by an SRPG in a while.
>>16929560
>is that a PSP game?
Yes, it's actually pretty good, provided you actually enjoy the tactical combat of D&D3.5E. It's a game practically designed for people who live in places where they couldn't get a group together, but kept reading the rulebooks and fantasizing about playing it. It's definitely not a beginner-friendly game, but if it's your kind of game, it's a rough gem.
>Ogre Battle 64
I fucking love the OST to that game. If I get some time, I need to webm some of the tracks. Despite it's shortcomings, Ogre Battle 64 was my favorite Ogre Battle.
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238c78 No.16929590
>>16929569
>Fell Seal: Arbiter's Mark
wow, that does look a lot like FFT's job system.
>an advanced elementary school student. I mean that - the writing is the absolute worst part of this game, by far. It's cringe-worthy at points
is it woke garbage or just hackneyed? (or both?)
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7c8528 No.16929600
>>16929569
I could not stand the animations. I read the story and couldn't stand that either.
How simple is it for people to try something just in the vein of the FFTA/2 bunch where it's just sort of "Here's an excuse plot for our SRPG stuff, have fun, do deeds, enjoy comraderie more than anything"
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8a5eac No.16929619
>>16929590
It was honestly just really poorly written. As in, I don't think the writer had actually written characters or a consistent story before. The dialogue is very low quality. It was really blatant early in the game when they're laying on the exposition, though as the game went on, it started to become less egregious. I assume that's because the writer was just getting better as they went. The story definitely doesn't rival the political intrigue of Final Fantasy Tactics or Tactics Ogre. It's more on par with a 90s Saturday morning cartoon.
I played the game when it first came out, and I remember there being talk about making a community script. I just tried to find it, but I guess it never went anywhere. If it is out there somewhere, or someone eventually came along and went over all of the dialogue, it'd be a much more recommendable game. Otherwise, you really just have to be able to stomach some real poor storytelling. I really had to push through it, and I feel like I can tolerate a pretty bad story for the sake of a game.
For a vague idea of how bad the story is, the main character is basically a walking judge, and just walks around and solves crimes and captures criminals. Her two companions are childhood friends, one of who is there for fun, the other is her apprentice. Story opens with the main character catching a criminal, who rubs it in her face that he'll just walk free. You take him to prison, and he walks free right in front of you, shocking the main character. He was also granted a mark that makes him a higher authority than her, signifying he is on a pilgrimage. She then follows this guy around (because JUSTICE), and despite not having the authority to arrest him, insists that if this guy attacks her, then she can act in self defense and kill him. She then just sort of stumbles into the evil plot. The twists are supposed to be things like the obviously corrupted/evil council members are corrupted, which you are supposed to be shocked to discover, despite a scene where a council member terrorizes a band of bandits by using his powers of teleportation to fucking drown them one-at-a-time. Or the people of the world are staging rebellions against the obviously tyrannical council that is ruling with an iron fist.
The story is my absolutely biggest complaint about the game. The animations were pretty poor and didn't have many frames. But the SRPG itself was actually pretty descent, especially in the late-game fights, arenas, and post-game. The dialogue is just painful. If there was any 'woke' shit in there, I didn't even notice it, for it was overshadowed by how badly written the story was.
>>16929600
I can't disagree in this case. Fell Seal would have been significantly better if they'd have just cut 80% of the story out. They spend way too much time trying to justify what's happening or explain connections between characters.
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238c78 No.16929625
>>16929619
>It's more on par with a 90s Saturday morning cartoon.
I could be "ok" with that I guess.
>The story is my absolutely biggest complaint about the game. The animations were pretty poor and didn't have many frames. But the SRPG itself was actually pretty descent, especially in the late-game fights, arenas, and post-game.
well if the game-play is good and graphics + music are serviceable I can look past a wack story as long as its not super woke bs. thanks for the recommendation.
>>16929536
>Monstania on SNES
that also looks cool, i'll check that out too.
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a63c81 No.16929631
>>16929560
>is that a PSP game?
yeah. Give it a shot. They have it on emuparadise if you have the workaround script
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dad3ca No.16929673
>>16929569
This looks decent enough. Shame about the writing though.
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238c78 No.16929693
>>16929673
I felt that FFTA had rather mediocre writing but maybe it was just a shit translation… also they story was overly simply and I can't really say I liked any of the characters. (totally opposite of how I felt about OG FFT ) overall I liked the game play of FFTA… but not the annoying judgment system, that always seems like a broken gimick that never added anything to the game. I also din't really like the change in how jobs learned skills from items instead of just leveling up with JP
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b21893 No.16929764
>>16929560
Is a psx worth buying?
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24c8b2 No.16929767
>>16929764
Just emulate it man.
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dad3ca No.16929810
>>16929693
I think the judges were added just for the gimmicky mechanic, adding a mini-objective to each battle to give you something extra to do (which, from memory, I thought you could ignore for the most part?).
Apart from that I really enjoyed FFTA.
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dad3ca No.16929861
Just came across this: Arcadian Atlas
https://store.steampowered.com/app/691790/Arcadian_Atlas/
Not released yet and no ETA.
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cee31f No.16929867
>>16929503
No, because the same faggot, Yasumi Matsuno, made both games. FFT is sort of a spiritual sequel to TO with the FF rebranding since he move from Quest to Squaresoft.
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32eab7 No.16929879
>start tactics, immediately get shown what the crux of the deep gameplay will entail
>start ogre battle, spend half an hour breaking beyond the bullshit to actually get to anything resembling a strategic decision
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61e34e No.16929941
>>16929879
>instant gratification
>delayed gratification
I can hazard a few guesses as to why you were unable to properly enjoy the latter.
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8bd471 No.16929969
I would pick FFT as it has more abilites and broken combat system. FFTA will still be my favorite because of all the different races, classes, and general fun world building in the story.
Has anyone here played hellenica? I thought it was a pretty good TBS. Problem was you had to repeat levels and the dialogue is long and cringe.
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8bd471 No.16929970
FFTA will be my favorite because of all the different races, classes, and general fun world building in the story.
Has anyone here played hellenica? I thought it was a pretty good TBS. Problem was you had to repeat levels and the dialogue is long and cringe.
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60449a No.16930091
>>16929551
Its The Alchemist's Code, just with a FF coat of paint and a paywall that comes at you from nowhere.
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100219 No.16930106
>FFT
>better
No. OP devours cock as always.
>Has anything come close [to Tactics Advance] since?
The TO remake on PSP.
Real talk though, FFTA still has a decent story. Mewt's a petulant, whiny nigger faggot, and anyone who buys the whole "MUH FUN FANTASY WORLD" angle never got to the introduction of the Jagds
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807601 No.16930302
Tactics Ogre wins in every department and it's PSP remake is still one of the best games on the system.
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82a207 No.16930552
>>16929480
The best unfaithful translation in video gaming history.
Or maybe Vagrant Story but I never played it.
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cee31f No.16930621
>>16930552
You can't just say that without linking the original for comparison.
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8f5db8 No.16930727
>>16930552
What does it mean to die "on the backs of others"? I'm unfamiliar with this expression.
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a63c81 No.16930734
>>16930727
she's basically accusing him of exploiting the soldiers beneath him for the sake of his own glorious death
you can die a rebel leader or you can die just a rebel
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a63c81 No.16930736
>>16929810
you can ignore the laws in FFTA2 but they're kind of restrictive in FFTA1
in 2 if you break the law you lose a bonus
in 1 the lawbreaker risks needing to go to jail for a few days and in the case of Marche if he break a law it's game over
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82a207 No.16930866
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>16930621
>>16930552
This scene is at 19:00.
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2cba54 No.16930936
I liked the battle system of Valkyria Chronicles. Despite getting dwarfed on the customization FFT/TO offers, it felt like I was actually focused on the tactics part as opposed to numbers crunching. Of course the story in that franchise is nothing to write home about but at least they got Sakimoto for the soundtrack.
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2d5178 No.16930963
>>16930106
Wasn't the other issue in FFTA's story where the book was slowly draining the life out of the children as they were staying in that world?
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5365fe No.16930972
>>16930936
Did you try the Gallian Crossfire mod? I highly recommend it.
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78a847 No.16932419
>>16929861
always check indie devs profil
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78a847 No.16932421
>>16932419
>>16929861
always check their profil
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b32c32 No.16932425
>>16929480
>actually thinking FFT/A was a good SRPG in any capacity
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1adcbb No.16932432
I'm planing on making a game, a cross between tactics and advance war games.
Is there a way I can learn what make this game good? Besides playing them again of course.
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4bffb5 No.16932445
>>16932432
>cross between tactics and advance war
So, fire emblem?
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1adcbb No.16932454
>>16932445
I want expendable units, made from a currency that can be gained in the map and that have to be spawned, but with gameplay more similar to a Tactics game.
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4bffb5 No.16932468
>>16932454
I see. But then it's just advance wars with an isometric view grid then, since FFT has a lot of character customization while wars has none.
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dad3ca No.16932474
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a63c81 No.16932502
>>16932425
provide a baseline for your opinion
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cee31f No.16932503
>>16930552
I'd say it's actually quite faithful and extremely close in spirit to the original, although it's very non-literal, so much the better given literal translation often sound more unnatural and awkward. I've given rough, more literal translations in pink.
To call it unfaithful, the lines would have to be altered to talk about feminism and LGBT rights, or some other random bullshit that wasn't in the game, like modern translations do. DQ7 DS had alterationas, for example, where party members would quip about feminism, and there was nothing remotely like it in the original
script. In fact most modern DQ localizations are almost complete rewrites, far from the original in spirit.
>あんまり、弟を甘やかすなよ。あいつだって男なんだ。
<Don't spoil your brother so much. Even he is a man.
>少し黙っていて。 弟はあなたみたいに血の好きな男じゃないのよ。
<Be quiet. My brother isn't a bloodthirsty man like you.
>戦いたくて戦ってるんじゃねえや。犬死にしたくないだけだ、おれは。
<I don't fight because I want to. It's only because I don't want to die a dog's death.
>あの人たちを当てにしてるくせに、偉そうな口を聞かないで。
<Don't talk big when you're relying on those people.
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a63c81 No.16932508
>>16932454
Langrisser is close; you buy units to assist your hero between maps
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8a5eac No.16933354
>>16932454
I can't remember if the dolls in Kartia are expendable or not. I haven't played it since 99, But I vaguely remember losing a bunch of dolls and rebuilding them.
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46a49c No.16933361
>>16932454
>>16932432
play Battle for Wesnoth and Vantage Master
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1adcbb No.16933366
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cee31f No.16933747
>>16933366
The dolls in Kartia are definitely expendable. But they're created by summoners with mana or something. It doesn't work like Advance Wars at all.
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b65677 No.16933759
>>16929619
>Fell Seal would have been significantly better if they'd have just cut 80% of the story out
But Tactics Ogre has like 900% more of it. I got bored way before 1st combat. FS is nowhere as bad in this regard.
Also you can skip most of it.
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7c662a No.16933769
>>16929764
It's worth buying a cpu/gpu that can emulate it.
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