/v/ - Video Games

>>16919264

Did we ever get the Moonman/Ben Garrison/Sam Hyde mod to play alongside Notim Portant?

BING BING WAHOO

>>16919272

Most murder simulators only have you killing people who deserve to die like nazis and white supremacists so they don't count.

>>16919272

Not really.

I mean, yes, youre murdering people, but in combat, not just randos that happen to be there while you go full edgelord.

It was funny when it was happening, but confusing looking back on it. Why was there such a knee-jerk reaction anyway from the journalists? there wasn't any social commentary that went against their beliefs in the game, the only thing that changed was the context of the violence having no excuse or so much as a hint of a deeper meaning. The games release into the console systems at least marks a change in how companies see the AO rating system. Maybe a couple years down the line we'll see a virtual backroom full of AO games for console systems. Or this is just a special exemption for a game that should've gotten a M rating in the first place.

>>16919313

The Modding tools came too late. Any interest for level/model editing that wasn't a simple swap-job died when the hype wore off.

>>16919342

It was seen as a glorification of mass shooters.

>>16919338

It is always ok to kill leftists and non whites (including deformed kikes) in real life.

>>16919272

Yeah, okay. Mario 64 is a combat simulator because you can fight enemies, and World of Warcraft was, at one time, the world's most popular flight simulator.

On a serious note, Hatred isn't even a murder simulator. It doesn't simulate what it's like to premeditate murder and follow through with a plan. It's not even a genocide simulator. Doing something in a game doesn't make it a simulator. Dubbing hatred as a "murder simulator" is just attaching scary sounding phrases to a game to try to make people panic. It's the "fully semi-automatic" of video games.

>>16919415

we truly live in society

>>16919415

I guess the people at Steam are still pissed from the Day of Black Paper, when people in protest of Skyrim's paid mods sent in mass fax messages with 40 pages of just black paper, destroying the faxes and consuming all of their ink.

>>16919445

Did that actually print real paper or was it just a digial fax?

>Switch port #325454389458349

wow so amazing

Is it a nice game? Is it as fun as Postal?

>>16919716

It's a shitty Postal "clone" that sold off controversy alone. It's not a good game, it didn't deserve the AO, and I'd say there's a fair chance they bribed someone to get the AO rating for extra controversy points, or at least a few "journolists".

>>16919722 (checked)

Makes sense to me, outrage is what sell nowadays in the industry, negative fame is sometimes preferable when your product is painfully average.

>>16919664

>That dude has a gaming program now

Remember to meme responsably.

>>16919784

I think the reason that Hatred garnered an AO is because the very objective of the game is sadistically killing as many innocent people as possible. There is no way to progress in the game without killing civilians. "Well what the difference between that and GTA?" Because GTA can be completed without killing random people. The option is there to only kill "bad guys." Compared to executing some poor bastard who was coming home from work while he's begging for his life and crying that he has a family, doing that 50 more times, just to unlock the next level, it's a far different situation. Postal also can be completed without killing innocent people too and it got M, just like GTA. I think that Modern Warfare 2 only skirted by because they let you skip the airport mission and put a disclaimer before you started it.

>>16919784

>I doubt it's very hard to get an AO rating if you really want it.

Mortal Kombat has you shredding people in tiny little chunks, with excruciating detail, and it STILL gets an M rating. I don't think anyone really gives a shit at this point about what the fucking ratings mean.

>>16919794

>I think the reason that Hatred garnered an AO is because the very objective of the game is sadistically killing as many innocent people as possible.

So, the ESRB is playing the role of being the morality police rather than DOING THEIR FUCKING JOB and just listing the content that is in game.

>There is no way to progress in the game without killing civilians.

Spec Ops: The Line has a mission were you do intentionally kill civilians, and there isn't any way to prevent it. Once again, it's an example of the ESRB stepping outside of their role and acting as the morality police.

>>16919342

I think it's safe to say that no news story about Hatred had any real meat to it, it was simply an easy story, "Has this game gone too far" it takes no effort to put that together.

There may have been a buzz about Hatred when that first trailer showed, but the momentum was gone as fast as it came, nobody talked about hatred a week after it released.

>>16919794

Eh, I'd say the meat of Hatred is actually fighting Police or the Army, but yeah there is still side missions for killing Civilians in gameplay.

I actually think Hatred had a great control scheme for an over head shooter, and the hardest difficulty was a fun challenge since you pretty much do die about as fast as would be expected for someone trying to pull off a mass shooting.

>>16919797

The ESRB is entirely arbitrary to begin with considering it only exists to assure the rights game developers already have and can't actually be stripped of to make games about whatever the fuck they want and not get sued into the dirt when Karen buys her son Bloodfuck Overdrive and is shocked about the contents of the game.

>>16919942

Adults Only, usually applied to porn games.

>>16919942

It's the highest "don't fucking give this to your kid karen you dumb fuck" rating the ESRB can hand out, and it's usually a black mark since most big box retail stores don't like to stock AO games.

>>16919975

But still, Karen the dumb fuck gives it to her children.

>>16920153

AND THEN FUCKING COMPLAINS

>>16919975

>>16920153

So, you think brutal games are bad for the kids?

I wonder if gog will release it now, seeing as they cucked out and refused to when the game first came out. The game doesn't even deserve an AO rating, it was pure politics.

>>16920153

>>16920153

No, she doesn't, because it doesn't get sold at Walmart and she doesn't shop anywhere else. It was the vastly more broad category of M-rated games that made up that particular problem because so many games of different kinds fell into that category.

>>16920691

>No, she doesn't, because it doesn't get sold at Walmart and she doesn't shop anywhere else.

Except the mall, where she occasionally takes the kids to GameStop.

>>16920385

Anyone under 18 shouldn't be touching a console, PC, or a fucking phone simply because they are so god damn stupid when it comes to tech. It hurts to read about how little jimmy got his phone destroyed because someone told him rubbing mayo on it and putting it into a microwave would download minecraft for free.

>>16920702

>Anyone under 18 shouldn't be touching a console, PC, or a fucking phone simply because they are so god damn stupid when it comes to tech.

Oh yes. Raising the tech illiteracy of adults is the solution. Tell me anon, when did you first begin using the net?

>>16920742

>>16920713

>>16920702

I think the major problem here is that computer education for people in general sucks. Most people learn how to use a computer by doing, which of course leads to them making seemingly insane assumptions about how computers work, like that example of a guy believing his mouse stored copied text. School classes, at least the ones I've had, only focus on typing skills and using certain software like Word and Photoshop. If we actually bothered to educate kids about the basic components of a computer and how digital information works, we'd have less people doing shit like believing their disc tray is a cup holder. But, instead, little Timmy is given a phone and told to go wild with it, parents believing setting parental controls will act as a fix-it-all solution.

>>16920755

My complaint with that is just the 'educate' part because–why? Was everyone here "taught" how to properly use a computer? I doubt it. The skill to figure things out by one's self is the most important skill there is–along with being capable of determining which skills are worth acquiring (i.e. not needing someone to force you to learn something, but rather realizing it's important to learn it of your own volition).

tl;dr Not fond of holding drones/garbage/normalfags/people by the hand to teach them.

>>16920755☑

Education overall has degenerated in recent decades, but that's a whole other kettle of rotten fish.

>>16920767

I was taught the barest fundamentals of computers in the eighties. RAM, ROM, input and output devices, storage, CPU. In the nineties, I mostly taught myself, but received some official education in networking and file management, but all of the more advanced stuff (knowing what a file system is, how magnetic and solid state media store and retrieve data, how network data transmission works, what the purpose of the north and south bridges on a motherboard are, et cetera), I taught myself by researching online to solve the problems that only seem to come to those who try to own and operate computers without a suitable budget for doing so.

>>16920767

>but rather realizing it's important to learn it of your own volition

That's part of what teachers are supposed to be. Unfortunately they're more concerned with making sure students "think the right way" rather than getting them to think on their own.

>>16920804

>supposed to be

*supposed to do. The alcohol must be kicking in

>>16920742

It's not really insane to believe the text is stored in the mouse because all that would be required for that to be true is for mice to have a storage chip on them, which really isn't an awful idea tbh. I could see Apple or someone like that doing that to replace USBs.

I would even go so far as to say creative thinking like that might make a person good with computers when they use them more, especially because they don't even understand why computers are set up the way they are now if they're asking questions like that.

>>16920767

>Was everyone here "taught" how to properly use a computer? I doubt it.

Not really because I got my first "real" computer and internet in the 90s. So a pretty large segment of the population was learning at the same time. Nowadays, though, I think it could be helpful to have a class for at least one grade where you learn the basics.

One of the biggest problems I have with education regarding computers is that by the time it gets through all the bureaucracy, it's probably aging info. Like, why would most kids need to know how to use a keyboard these days? The letters are on their phones and tablets. They might almost never use those things in their lives unless they plan to become programmers. So training would have to be vague and tech focused. Like, "what is RAM?" But do most kids need to know that, either? I have to wonder what people would actually do in these classes.

>>16920864

>which really isn't an awful idea tbh. I could see Apple or someone like that doing that to replace USBs.

Nintendo sort-of did that with the Wiimotes were you can use them to transfer Miis.

>I have to wonder what people would actually do in these classes.

I've had the idea that the "computer literacy" classes should extend as far as teaching the people how to use the standard programs (Word processing, web browsers, etc.), and being able to build a computer and install an operating system on it (Along with some basic configuration). That way, people can understand what is going on, and get some idea as to how things work.

>>16920864

>USBs

Nothing personal, but it kills me inside when people call flash drives USBs.

>>16920869

Computer literacy classes usually do include things like the basic parts of a computer and how to use a word processor, I think. I don't believe there's much in the way of the old keyboard-only classes going on–most schools probably either have adequate computer literacy courses or zero computer courses. Building a PC would be a nice idea, but I don't think the average person would see the value in it. That, or too many components would get damaged for it to be worthwhile–assuming you wanted the PC to actually turn on and operate and it wasn't just "here's where the RAM would go." A virtual environment could work well for the latter, actually. It wouldn't necessarily even need tactile elements, although the feel of putting a board in a slot and how hard to push is arguably a valuable thing for a person to do once if they plan on opening up a computer in their life. Then, setting up an OS is either braindead easy or too complicated for the average person to want to pay attention to. Not that they couldn't understand it, I mean, but normal folks have to be interested in something in order to learn and retain it. I imagine that a lot of the folks who couldn't even do the follow-the-onscreen-directions type of default Windows installs are the ones that would've folded their arms and refused to learn how a CD drive works back in the 90s just out of stubbornness.

>>16920889

Dying a little never hurt anyone.

>>16920864

>But do most kids need to know that, either?

You could make that argument about nearly everything taught in schools. Do most kids need to know what the water cycle is? Do most kids need to know what an electron is? Do most kids need a familiarity with the works of Shakespeare? I think part of the point of schools, or at least the original point before decades of bloat and subversion, is to introduce kids to a wide variety of subjects so that they can later decide which ones they're interested in and want to study further.

I think schools could definitely stand to teach kids a bit more about computers, because the present curricula fool kids into thinking that the only thing you can do with a computer is make spreadsheets and word documents. They're not given any kind of insight into the wide range of possibilities.

>>16920889

Oh yeah, I never actually noticed that before. It's true, I'm just so used to it. I dunno, I guess it made more sense when mice and keyboards used PS/2 ports. I associate "flash drives" with all flash drives including SSDs, and "thumb drives" specifically with the object we're discussing.

>>16920957

That's a fair point. I think that argument could be made about learning many things in life, however, like operating and repairing cars. Managing money, including dealing with things like loans, credit cards, banks and the stock market would be another good one. Maybe this would all fit under one class about modern life.

>>16919342

>virtual backroom full of AO games for console systems

Haven't you seen Steam kicking numerous H-games off their store? You're sadly mistaken if you think you're gonna see actual AO games in CY+3. It will be spiced-up M games with pumped up violence or incidental nudity at best, with nothing 'taboo' in censors' books

>no explicit sex, least of all showing "degenerate" stuff like prostitution and pimps, sadism and masochism, etc.

>no stuff like CoD MW2's No Russian (>muh terrism)

>no criticism, ridiculing, or poking fun at religion and fanatics in a non-kosher way (stuff like terrorist acts for showing muhammad (or some other religious figure), atrocities like sharia law (or in-universe equivalent), circumcision, and ablation, ridiculous stuff like shabbat fires, parents praying instead of taking kid to doctor, refusing blood transfusions, etc.)

>no depictions of war in a non-negative light. no romanticized portrayals of war. if there's anything positive said about war it must be propaganda from the bad guys

>if characters can be injured or killed "minors" will never be harmed, will be invulnerable (they're a bunch of polygons ffs) or will be conveniently be absent (like in GTA)

>no depictions of slavery, child soldiers, child trafficking, or other inhumane things. militia groups using child soldiers? child miners? no such thing. armed 14 y/o's selling drugs at a bunker is just poppycock.

>no depictions of abuse (e.g. (concerted or systematic) bullying, neglect and starvation, spouse beating, mistreatment of mentally ill or handicapped, gaslighting, dog-whistling), even as plot points (e.g. someone wanting to collect inheritance or insurance or get rid of someone by having them committed, mob coercing "customers"). it goes without saying anything involving minors is more than unacceptable

>can't have torture that resembles real-life torture like waterboarding or breaking someone's toes. not even if you wanted to establish a character as an despicably twisted, or show how ruthless and oppressive a regime is, etc.

>no villains being portrayed as likable and relatable, or being in the right, especially if they're the genocidal type, dictators or otherwise "irredeemable." villains' motives have to be wrong, or at least misguided/flawed/lack common sense so they don't come off as reasonable (e.g. if there's a conspirator staging a plot to murder a greedy, corrupt monarch and seize the kingdom he must be ruthless and fueled by a lust for power, not a guy who was fed up with the oppression and greed of the royals). things can't ever turn out nicely for villains (unless they're repenting and atoning or fighting for the 'good guys')

>etc.

I know some of these things are not exactly conducive to sales, but the point here is there's no chance in hell any of those will be allowed. The last one is just a personal pet peeve of mine that's always pissed me off.

>>16920755

>Most people learn how to use a computer by doing

That's where you're horribly wrong. They learn through hearsay or following poorly cobbled together "step-by-step guides" they found on jewgle/kikebook/forums. People don't do trial and error anymore. they don't even read the fucking instructions or bother to find out what the words they're reading mean. Probably has to do with the fact that they were raised on software with shitty, unhelpful error messages (0xb0880facc; oops, something happened :(. )

For an example, just look at any shitty tutorial for doing something on Android, like making your battery last longer than a day and you'll find useless shit like "minimize brightness, use battery saver mode" when the actual culprit 99.9% of the fucking time is shit that wakes up the phone every 10 seconds and constantly uses the radio like Jewgle apps, WhatsApp, Facekike, Instakike, and Twatter.

>>16920767

If the majority of people don't know how to computer manufacturers are going to cater to them and ship worse and worse software (bloated shit like electron, mouse-driven interfaces without keyboard shortcuts, glorified eye-candy UI with infinite scrolling, strip features because "it confuses beginners," no scriptability, etc.)

>>16920904

>Computer literacy classes

They should teach people fucking actual useful skills, like how to write a secure password and spot phishing (no "look for the lock icon" bullcrap), how to spot fake software/apps and not install trojans/adware, to not reply to spam because it tells them there's a person behind the address, REGEX (for searching), how to keep sensitive files safe ((proper, up to date) encryption and shit), backups, stuff like data rot, basic networking concepts (e.g. IPv4/IPv6, DNS, DHCP, router, firewall, NAT), etc. And most importantly, how to learn new shit on your own so you don't need handholding as >>16920767 said.

>like the basic parts of a computer

Useless unless you tell them how to tell apart good from shit hardware. Especially with laptops (heating/ventilation; remember shit like NVidia's faulty laptop GPUs, there was a class-action suit around 2008 over that)

>Building a PC would be a nice idea, but I don't think the average person would see the value in it

you mean saving money and not getting shortchanged with outdated hardware is not a good reason?

>"here's where the RAM would go."

<"I tried to add RAM sticks from my old computer to my new one but now it won't boot, help"

<"I just added 16 GB RAM and it won't boot! What do you mean RAM has ranks? Do I need a higher rank?"

>>16921170

i appreciate that post anon

>>16921221

>anon says it sucks

>game journos say it sucks

but… who do I believe?

>>16920742

That shit is possible with specialized mouses, dont remember the names but they where a thing. But it was probably a peak boomer asking it. I had a customer once that bought a USB stick and thought it would automatically expand storage space on his laptop without even plugging it in ever. Had to explain 4 times over the phone that he had to plugin it in which he didnt want to understand. A week later he called back and angerly blamed me for not explaining that he had to plug the fucking thing in, I told him to go to a different store next time he needed something. Never heard back, fuck him.

>>16921307

I mean a flashdrive, dont hurt me anon.

>>16921181

For the average internet user, who mostly just browses Facebook, Netflix, and Youtube with a side of online banking and Amazon shopping, what possible good would they get out knowing anything about IPv4 vs. IPv6? Or DHCP? Maybe a handful can change their DNS settings to not use the default, sure, but even that's not going to meaningfully affect the vast majority of them.

Most of the other stuff, sure, I can agree with all of that (except for regex, you're 100% kidding yourself if you think any non-techie is going to even bother paying attention to a regex tutorial), but anything more complicated than basic router setup is going to be wasted time to anyone taking an entry-level "Computers 101" class.

>>16920904

I know a middle schooler who wasn’t familiar with “Save As” in Word because they only use Google Docs at his school now because it’s easier for the teachers to deal with. Even the basic computer skills we learnt aren’t being taught now.

>>16921311

>what possible good woul would they get out knowing anything about IPv4

What was the number you used when connecting to a CS, Quake, Terraria or Minecraft server? Ever used hamachi? Routers list clients by MAC and IP. "Port forwarding" (aka a destination NAT mapping) requires knowing what an IP address is.

>IPv6

It's the "next gen." IPv4 will get dropped someday and people need to be aware of that. IIRC there are even mechanisms to tunnel IPv4 traffic in IPv6 so you can keep using old applications.

>DHCP

it assigns you an IP address and DNS servers. ever heard of retarded college IT departments banning routers? or retards plugging dorm internet into the LAN ports of the router and causing DHCP issues leading to routers being banned?

>DNS

It's critical do know what this shit is. A malicious DNS server can direct you anywhere. It doesn't help browsers connect to sites using only http by default (hence the infamous, retarded "green lock means you're safe" advice).

>NAT

First thing little Timmy cries about when setting up PSN or XBL is NAT issues. Also important for getting access to shit like IP cameras, baby monitors (if you're that bad of a parent), etc.

>Firewall

Firewall =/= NAT. NAT provides NO security (anyone who says otherwise should be flayed, hanged, and shot). Firewalls are the stuff that actually blocks unwanted connections (e.g. shit phoning home, denying connections to or from a program), whereas NAT masquerading is more like the dumb bitch at the counter throwing away incoming mail because she doesn't know what bin to put it in.

>except for regex

Not all of it. You don't have to know about shit like lookarounds, just basic stuff like "important_file…\.jpg", "*", ".", "+", "\w", "\d", "[]" which is 100 times better than shitty wildcard matches. Failing that, at least wildcard searches.

>>16920767

>Was everyone here "taught" how to properly use a computer? I doubt it.

No, but you seem to forget the many hours that you spent fucking around to figure something out, when most other people would have given up, if you're anything like I am. I am a professional programmer now, but when I was a kid I either had to fuck around a lot, or ask my dad to help and try to carefully observe what he was doing, and he is also a self-taught guy who happens to have a blue-collar can-do mindset about it because he worked as an oilfield technician that got to use computers a lot. Things got much easier when I got my own internet connection in my room and could look up technical support or information. To use a somewhat overly dramatic analogy, this is how bad parenting proliferates, because the children grow up and say "Well it worked for me, I'm just going to teach my child the same way." You can't expect everyone to want to learn how to use computers because not everyone wants to be a computer expert, but they need to interact with them anyway.

>>16921261

https://twitter.com/DestCreat_Team/status/1248932616973189120

That it is AO likely means no eshop release, but physical for sure. Dunno what actual brick & mortar store will carry it, though.

>>16921641

>isn't that part of the problem though

I think there are two types of "uses" here. E.g., kid who has the iPad since birth knows how to use YouTube, instagram, snapchat, etc., but doesn't know to (a) use umatrix (b) what browser to use to minimize telemetry (c) what OS for the same reason (d) how to accomplish something they want (e.g. want something on the page? A sane person uses prnt+scrn, snipping tool, the abduction plugin, etc. but a lot of people take a damn picture of the actual screen).

So, yes, early exposure teaches them the "uses" of the "magic box", but it gives them no ability to use the "magic box" for their own purposes or how to fix the "magic box" if something goes wrong.

>>16921426

>had to fuck around a lot

And that's not a bad thing. I am just of the belief that spoon-feeding (a) doesn't work in general and (b) it inhibits the development of skills such as perserverance, creativity, and analysis.

>>16921336

Such insanity. Head over to Yahoo Answers Programming and Design if you want some real depressing shit.

>>16921641

The problem is that playing with a Commodore 64 or an Apple II gave you actual skills. PCs required you to learn to type, and connecting to the internet via dial-up was a chore. These were just things you picked-up if you wanted to play games, especially online.

It got worse post- Windows, which deliberately hid its command line and relegated it to scripts. You had to buy a compiler for most systems.

Then iPhones became a thing and kids today have no interest in building or using a PC or learning how it works. They want an all-in-one magic box that they can play with. They're toys and you can't be productive with them.

As a result, teenagers today were born ~2000-2005 and depending on when they got introduced to "technology" they probably don't even remember a time before iPhones. They likely only ever had to use a keyboard in school and prefer typing on a smartphone software keyboard. None of them know how to write code or even a simple script. None of them can diagnose an error because they don't see errors; Apple would rather the iPhone just crash and reset than give an error message.

>>16921643

>So, yes, early exposure teaches them the "uses" of the "magic box", but it gives them no ability to use the "magic box" for their own purposes or how to fix the "magic box" if something goes wrong.

I have to disagree. I was allowed to do whatever I wanted unrestricted on the computer as a kid, and that's where a learned a lot about computers. Nobody "taught" me what to do when the desktop crashes, but by killing it in task manager I found out it was called "explorer.exe", and then when I learned I could launch them by name from task manager, I tried killing and running "explorer.exe" and that's how I figured out how to get all my icons back so I could play Magic School Bus Explores the Rainforest. I was probably only grade 3 or 4 at the time, and I really think I wouldn't be half as good with computers if it wasn't for all those different experiences I had with my computer as a kid, and that you severely underestimate a kids curiosity and ability to soak up knowledge. Yeah they are much less likely to learn anything with an iPad or phone, but you said they shouldn't be touching a PC as well. And sure, there are always gonna be some kids that are gonna be stupid and not learn anything, but it's unfair to the kids that will to just say "Anyone under 18 shouldn't be touching a console, PC, or a fucking phone".

>>16921677

I've never said a kid shouldn't touch a PC/etc. I've only ever claimed that I don't like forcing kids to learn stuff in school when their lazy asses should have sufficient understanding of their own goals and what they want to, of their own volition, learn stuff.

E.g. I wouldn't teach algebra to dumbasses who don't care. End your life only knowing how to add, I don't care. To keep you in school would be an insult to the other students, etc.

tl;dr did you mistake me for another anon.?

>>16921667

You are right in that much of the newer technology, especially tablets and smartphones, discourage learning anything useful in a lot of ways (touchscreen displays in particular are found to cause problems with developing the necessary muscles to comfortably grip a pencil properly). My issue with the statement: "Anyone under 18 shouldn't be touching a console, PC, or a fucking phone" is that if a Commodore 64 or an Apple II gave you actual skills, well, then you can give at least your own kids inb4 >Implying anons have kids, I'm being theoretical here a Commodore 64 or an Apple II to play with, nobody is stopping you. But I think there's a decent amount that even something like Windows 7 could teach that you simply take for granted as "common sense", like for instance knowing what a clipboard is so they don't ask dumb questions like "if I unplug the mouse and put it in a different computer can I paste the data there?" like in >>16920742.

>>16921679

>tl;dr did you mistake me for another anon.?

Yes sorry, I just assumed you were >>16920702 for some reason. Also, your id changed just now, has it been doing that each post?

>>16921692

TOR nodes.