67ef37 No.16918080[Last 50 Posts]
So I've never played an RTS game before, apart from some AoE2 (though never in multiplayer) but the genre seems really interesting and challenging. That's why I downloaded SC2 and completed the tutorial, because it's the more modern and popular version, so it should obviously be better. Or should it? As I was looking for online tutorials I came across Day9, a passionate fan of the original Starcraft who left me confused.
I'm planing to invest my time in only one of these games, so which one would you recommend to a newbie like me? Starcraft Remastered or Starcraft 2?
As a side note, I gotta say the low hardware requirements of SCR is a plus but it's not a major factor.
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4c30ce No.16918082
This sounds like bait with some effort into it.
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53af6c No.16918084
Someone post the RTS chart and this thread will be over in a second
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8ebf7b No.16918086
>>16918080
Sc2 is much more forgiving snd easier. Id recommend that. Watching professional sc2 will also give you a feel of what the game plays like.
I would keep in mind Age of empires the definitive edition is another RTS that is arguably more active than sc2(atleast on twitch and youtube).
SCR is dead I feel like but I have no idea. Watch some artosis vids or ASL tournaments on youtube to learn more.
>>16918082
Agreed
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67ef37 No.16918087
>>16918082
Some parts might sound stilted (especially the "obviously better" part) but that's largely because I'm not a native speaker.
>>16918084
Oh I had no idea there was a chart
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5b1ee2 No.16918090
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4c30ce No.16918093
>>16918087
SC2's first campaign can be said to be representative of an actual RTS and the latter 2 are utter dogshit in gameplay and story.
Play other RTS but do yourself a favor and don't play past Wings of Liberty.
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8d0f24 No.16918094
>>16918093
Well I haven't actually played any of the campaings because I was drawn solely by the multiplayer/competitive aspect of the games.
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c69b28 No.16918096
>>16918080
they're both made by blizzard, which means that they're always-online overpriced garbage. sc2 is just plain bad and i despised my time with it; it doesn't feel like a starcraft game at all and the story is beyond retarded and is in "if i wasn't watching it happen on my own monitor i would assume this is a joke". sc remastered is slightly better since it's based on an actual good game but it's overpriced and you should just be playing the original.
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4359ba No.16918115
Both SC1 and SC2 are fucking garbage in multiplayer. It's just meta shitters everywhere, no fun allowed.
>>16918093
WoL sucks huge stonking dicks as well.
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5c494d No.16918137
>>16918080
The most common complaint regarding RTS, which starcraft is known for, is gookclicking and an APM focus. If you're really new to RTS, I recommend Zero-K for it's legitimately innovative controls and mechanisms to reduce micromanagement.
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212141 No.16918147
>>16918080
I divide RTSes into two categories: Those that derive from Warcraft/Starcraft resource management and those that don't. Those that do require you to micro resource gathering units, which can be a pain, quite honestly. It's a lot more manageable for me in AoE2 because it has a decent interface for it (Always shows idle villagers, can cycle through or select all idle villagers, etc) but understand that in general, micro is a hurdle to your enjoyment of the game, a big skill curve if you will. Especially if you want to play multiplayer. It can feel somewhat satisfying when you do it correctly, but it is still a substantial hurdle.
If you want a good game that does not require you to micro as much, to help you discover what you like about RTSes, consider playing Supreme Commander: Forged Alliance (The original game plus expansion, don't play 2) or Dawn of War (again, the original game plus expansions, 2 is basically a MOBA if you aren't playing multiplayer and 3 is shit). If you want a freeware option, try TA Spring. TA stands for Total Annihilation which is the predecessor to Supreme Commander and is also a good game – Spring is the name of the new engine that a bunch of neckbeards made for it. It has an online community and plenty of mods.
As you can see from my suggestions, the genre lacks a lot of good new games. I did like Northgard from what I played of it, but the single player campaign became shit in the last few missions.
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212141 No.16918150
>>16918094
Oh yeah, if you want a really good RTS campaign, play Warcraft 3. I'm sure you know from recent news not to play the Reforged edition. Not too many games allow you to commit genocide in the first couple of missions.
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8d0f24 No.16918163
>>16918147
Actually I'm fine with micromanagement/multitasking, I like the challenge it poses. That's what drawn me into RTS in the first place.
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212141 No.16918169
>>16918137
Sorry for the triple post, but I just saw this. How does Zero-K compare to TA Spring and SupCom? I don't know much about it.
>>16918163
Fair enough, then you may enjoy Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition, especially if you want a multiplayer competitive scene. It is currently trending pretty hard, whereas StarCraft 2 is basically dead in the water.
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8ebf7b No.16918191
>>16918115
Eh, it depends. For the most part yes there are certain things you have to do but you have the freedom to make up your own builds if you are good enough. The thing is, like chess, its very hard to come up with a good strategy when you arent a grandmaster yourself. Not impossible but very difficult. Plus at lower levels, the late-game builds are definitely not meta-shitting, its people not knowing what to do at all which IMO was more interesting that high-level play.
>WoL sucks huge stonking dicks as well
Yeah campaign itself is nowhere near as captivating as SC1's campaign although I did have fun playing through it.
>>16918147
>As you can see from my suggestions, the genre lacks a lot of good new games.
Yeah its unfortunate that the RTS genre was effectively abandoned. I very much enjoyed many of the campaigns and custom games RTS's provided.
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6c5f53 No.16918194
>>16918137
all rts is "gook clicking". anytime you have down time you are wasting time. Watch all the top red alert, aoe2, etc players, it's all "gook clicking".
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0eed98 No.16918207
>>16918194
Lords of the Realm 2, Myth: The Fallen Lords, Company of Heroes and Dawn of War.
Go back to eating bat soup.
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d38464 No.16918209
>2020
>multiplayer RTS
Just let it die peacefully.
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212141 No.16918210
>>16918194
>If you aren't a top tier pro player, you aren't playing a game correctly and don't deserve to play video games
OK then.
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000000 No.16918228
>>16918147
Total Annihilation itself is still rather active, though most people play with the Escalation mod nowadays. TAESC is pure multiplayer however.
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6c5f53 No.16918323
>>16918207
those are also "gook clickers" you're just shit at RTS games.
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212141 No.16918325
>>16918323
Nigger, you're deliberately ignoring blatant differences in game mechanics that require less micromanagement because "hurr, if you were good at the game you would be clicking all the time anyway." No shit, that is true for just about any game in existence except turn-based games. Is Call of Duty a gook clicker too?
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6c5f53 No.16918335
>>16918325
all RTS is gook clicking. If you don't like it play Turn based Strategy or 4X games.
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212141 No.16918336
>>16918335
No, nigger. You do not get to determine how semantics work because words are a social contract. You are the only one who thinks "gook clicker" applies to all RTSes. Gooks don't even click in those games because they're busy playing actual gook clickers.
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04a855 No.16918351
>>16918080
Play warcraft 3 instead. It's 18 years old and there's still a good amount of custom games going, last time I checked.
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67ef37 No.16918355
>>16918351
Why would you recommend WarCraft over StarCraft apart from the custom games?
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212141 No.16918359
>>16918355
I haven't played SC's campaigns, but WC3 has an excellent campaign that spans all of the factions and a good variety of missions. Most of them aren't tedious "AI does nothing but sit there and send waves at me" bullshit as well.
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67ef37 No.16918362
>>16918359
Oh, perhaps I should've mentioned I'm not interested in campaigns at all. Does WarCraft offer a challenge like the SC series in multiplayer mode? How do they differ?
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de431d No.16918378
>>16918336
what you call gook clicking is just proper micro of units, you can't dismiss a game for having a high skill ceiling even games that require low micro like age of empires 3 will still require you to micro the shit out of your units
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462542 No.16918412
>>16918351
Is there a quick guide to avoid Reforged?
Last I checked, Reforged retroactively killed all of WC3.
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d38464 No.16918473
>>16918412
There's eurobattle.net, but I never used it.
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212141 No.16918503
>>16918378
>what you call gook clicking is just proper micro of units,
Not at all. What I, and everyone else I've ever interacted with, call gook clickers (It's a type of game, not an action) are games which require you to breach a very significant skill curve of micromanagement before even basic proficiency can be achieved at the game. Games like Dawn of War and Supreme Commander automate resource gathering, removing most of this skill curve. You are approaching it from the opposite direction–all RTSes are gook clickers because pros have high APM. Which makes absolutely no sense and completely devalues "gook clickers" as a term, making it pointless. AoE2 is a gook clicker because you can't even hope to beat bots if you don't get a handle on villager micro and building hotkeys. You do not need to learn these things to win against bots or casual players in the games me and the other anon mentioned. Why are you devaluing a term which had a valid purpose into a stupid pet name for RTSes in general?
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2f3fa0 No.16918512
Starcraft 2 will definitely be your best bet to get started with RTS without quitting out of butthurt. Not only does it have many active players nowadays, but a lot of newbies you could have a "fair"match with as well.
Definitely do try to improve your APM though. I know AI doesn't reflect multiplayer matches whatsoever, but keep practicing stuff like build order and hotkeys against the AI until you can defeat it on max difficulty relatively quickly.
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212141 No.16918517
>>16918362
>I'm not interested
You should be, because most RTS campaigns are shit.
To answer your question, they are obviously different in terms of faction content and mechanics, but they do have similar skill ceilings. If you're looking to try hard, they're both good options.
>>16918512
>Not only does it have many active players nowadays, but a lot of newbies you could have a "fair"match with as well.
You can find those on AoE2:DE, not just StarCraft.
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de431d No.16918527
>>16918503
if you are talking about aoe 2 the only time it gets micro intensive with economy and the villagewrs is on the early game where it's just getting to feudal age as fast as possible but in the late game the economy is mostly automated , also the bots are not that hard honestly, you can play against the original ai which is easier than the new ai, and even then i don't see the problem of having a challenge to train you for online matches, the only thing you gotta know is the very basics and which units counter each other and stuff, and then you have definitive edition's advanced tutorials which tteach you how to boom,rush, defend yourself from a rush etc. i personally don't think aoe2 can be easily dismissed as a "gookclicker"
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5c494d No.16918582
>>16918169
>Sorry for the triple post, but I just saw this. How does Zero-K compare to TA Spring and SupCom? I don't know much about it.
>>16918169
Zero-K is using Spring Engine and SupCom is a game similar to TA.
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76ecfc No.16918605
>>16918412
You gotta connect with a master server emulator like Garena or Gameranger.
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d91ed1 No.16918650
>>16918527
I'm not dismissing anything, not sure how you got that impression. Just trying to classify games based on game mechanics. I enjoy AoE2. The economy can be fairly complicated if your enemy decides to attack it and you have to relocate it later in the game. Managing your economy when this happens is the difference between being annihilated and coming back. Also, an absolute fuckton depends on the map. AoE2 has probably the most map variety of any RTS I've played. TA and SupCom are similar but the map variation has less direct impact on your strategy.
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1f9197 No.16918826
>no CnC, RA, RA2, Tiberium Sun and Tiberium Wars, Generals
So Command&Conquer series are not a good baby first RTS?
>>16918137
>Zero-K
Can you convince me the good of it? Played it a bit and feels like the land units (mechs and tanks) feels samey and doesn't offer variety.
While I'm at it, anyone know RTS similar to customization of Warzone 2100? Forged Battalion is okay-ish
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29a5ee No.16920933
>>16918150
> play Warcraft 2
ftfy
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fb3a91 No.16920962
>>16918080
Starcraft 1 plot is better
Starcraft 2 multiplayer is better
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438404 No.16920967
>>16918335
<Company of Heroes is a gookclicker
>Be high APM
>Still get raped and pushed back by some dude who's complety static with some well placed trenches and an arty strike/AT gun
You can literally macro only as Axis and win you fucking retard
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2c279c No.16922232
>>16918527
>not weaving your units to dodge arrow showers
>>16920967
I suggest you watch the recent Cohrona cup if you think CoH doesn't require micro.
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8d61d2 No.16922246
>>16922232
>if you think CoH doesn't require micro.
I never said It didn't, we're talking about a game where the Allies are forced to flank Allied tanks ffs
I'm saying that there's more to it than building a single control group and microing it to shit.
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2c279c No.16922256
>>16922246
>single control group
>micro
pick one
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19b157 No.16922257
>>16922256
hey man, pressing attack move on your giant death ball is hard.
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8d61d2 No.16922270
>>16922256
>>16922257
>Constantly moving the units on your single death ball so they die less is not micro
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517760 No.16928575
>>16918209
DwarfHeim is looking promising tbh
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a59fc7 No.16930277
Best way to know if someone's bad at RTS is if they complain about metafaggotry or gookclick. It just screams that they only play vs AI and got fucked on their first multiplayer match, so they went back to playing "comfy" offline.
What happened to telling casuals to git gud?
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fb3a91 No.16930321
>>16930277
t. gook
the amount gookclick is the number one indicator of bad game design, for example, Starcraft 1 and Warcraft both have a limitation on the amount of units you can select at a time, you can't make them into a bigger group. That's an example of gookclick added in just by the game design being bad.
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4be1be No.16930325
>>16918080
>because it's the more modern and popular version, so it should obviously be better. Or should it?
>>16918082
>This sounds like bait with some effort into it.
This is 0 effort bait. "old is better than new" is popular outside of /v/ too.
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c473ee No.16931624
The opposite is true. SC1 plot is total garbage. The singleplayer is literally not worth playing at all, while the multiplayer is superb.
SC2 has a wonderful campagin, great story, but the multiplayer is boring and battles in particular are straight up cancer.
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c473ee No.16931625
>>16930321
What you call gookclick others call playing. If you want the AI to the game, you might as well watch a movie.
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c473ee No.16931626
>>16930325
Yeah, there are lot's of bait threads. New board owner is probably trying to get activity up after the exodus.
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