7a004d No.16915203[Last 50 Posts]
What are your thoughts on crunch?
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894a5d No.16915206
Crunch as in crunch time?
Doesn't matter labor is shit anyway, always will be, the team is all that matters, New Vegas was shat out after a few months, it was still decent, Randy Pitchford Forever took 14 years and was shit.
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00d38b No.16915208
Crunch as in crunch time? Is the nigger in pic related unironically trying to say crunch creates bad looking faces by comparing to animal crossing?
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fc9da6 No.16915219
Like the other anons said, it really depends on the team, for example I'm pretty sure Thief The Metal Age was rushed and it's still a fantastic game.
Also the one on the left is mocapped, isn't it? How the fuck does crunch time have anything to do with it?
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e4e839 No.16915222
"Crunch" just grinds up talented people and spits them out, leaving only shitheads.
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fa7514 No.16915256
Crunch is one of the industry's most self-destructive aspects. Big AAA studios absolutely chew through skilled people leading them to either enter different industries or go into indie.
That's the reason since 2007 or so you're suching such a massive rise of indie games, there was a downturn from 2014-2017 or so but that was due to Steam almost intentionally killing them.
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46b4dd No.16915277
>>16915203
>Juno goes from cute girl to weird looking boy-man
>Ellie goes from cute girl to weird looking boy-man
Lesbianism, Not even once.
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35f298 No.16915289
>>16915203
In USA? Glorious masters job creators should drop that commie humanism and use a cow whip on those lazy entitled guys already. And abolish minimum wage. WORK ETHICS BITCH!
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fa7514 No.16915294
>>16915289
There are boomers who actually think like this.
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29be0f No.16915298
it's a pretty decent candy bar
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fa7514 No.16915304
>>16915298
Yeah but Nestle are kikes, I've had to boycott most chocolate companies due to how little they care about the environment.
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d914e9 No.16915311
>>16915289
>And abolish minimum wage.
That wouldn't be such a terrible idea, because if there's no minimum wage, nobody is working minimum wage. The pay is controlled by the economy, essentially, and the business owners would be forced to pay a livable wage because otherwise nobody would take the job.
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1a3c25 No.16915316
This is a bit refreshing, I thought this website was filled with boomers. Sometimes you'll make threads like this and get people genuinely have people think that. I thought this place was entirely far-right.
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1a3c25 No.16915317
Another thing, I don't remember the capcha being so hard before, they went a bit overboard with that shit. Then again, I haven't been here in a while.
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fa7514 No.16915318
>>16915311
Holy fucking shit, anon. This is quite possibly the worst take I have ever seen in my six years of using this website.
>and the business owners would be forced to pay a livable wage because otherwise nobody would take the job.
Of course people would take the job, because people need to fucking eat and pay rent. Do you have any idea how many homeless people would work for 50 cent an hour?
Never go full kike, dude.
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d914e9 No.16915320
>>16915318
Why would you take a job that DOESN'T pay your rent and food? Why would you work if you're better off not working since unemployment benefits are still there?
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120c94 No.16915321
>>16915318
>Do you have any idea how many homeless people would work for 50 cent an hour?
panhandling makes 50 cent a minute you doofie
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fa7514 No.16915326
>>16915320
>Why would you take a job that DOESN'T pay your rent and food?
Because there are no other jobs available? Jesus dude have you never seen the people in Africa? They work for 10 hours to make 4 dollars a day.
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c34a29 No.16915329
>>16915311
>>16915320
>The pay is controlled by the economy, essentially, and the business owners would be forced to pay a livable wage because otherwise nobody would take the job.
Reminder this retarded economic theory doesn't actually work in the real world. These thought experiments always leave out crucial real-world factors and the extent people are willing to go for money, no matter how little.
Lolbergs and ancaps believe in just as much magical fairytale bullshita as commies.
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d914e9 No.16915332
>>16915326
>Jesus dude have you never seen the people in Africa? They work for 10 hours to make 4 dollars a day.
Yeah, that is totally valid comparison to the economy of western world. Business owners are not idiots and they know people won't do anything for 4 dollars a day. Try to buy something in the US for $4. Even a disgusting mcburger costs more than that. And what do you think, that gubmint-mandated minimum wage and driving it up ad infinitum somehow solves this problem?
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095d96 No.16915335
>>16915311
>business owners would be forced to pay a livable wage because otherwise nobody would take the job
History proves otherwise.
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fa7514 No.16915336
>>16915335
It's not even true RIGHT NOW, tons of people live paycheck-to-paycheck and work several jobs.
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d914e9 No.16915337
>>16915329
> These thought experiments always leave out crucial real-world factors and the extent people are willing to go for money, no matter how little.
People are fucking greedy, obviously, but they would have to be completely fiscally challenged to work when not working is more profitable (since we're assuming that all other stuff like unemployment benefits are left intact).
>>16915335
>History proves otherwise.
Times have changed.
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cd6157 No.16915338
>>16915311
>dude we should just pay everyone less lmao dude the economy will deal with it don't worry
This "the economy will fix it" line of thinking is the exact reason why wages haven't budged for four decades and we've had two recessions within 15 years.
Please look at the world around you and realize that 1980's economy theory is deeply flawed and doesn't fucking work. It was a cool idea, we tried it, it fucked up the American economy and allowed corporations to become supergiants only dwarfed by the megacorporations of the 17th century.
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d914e9 No.16915345
>>16915338
>Please look at the world around you
Yes, obviously it's the economy's fault, not new deals, government interventionism and favoritism and regulations. And where did you get an idea that I'm in favor of american economy? All of it is propped up by debt and endlessly increasing government spending because we need mo money for dem programs.
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2644cd No.16915352
>>16915203
Oddly games with crunch always end up as shallow and forgotten about a month after its launch.
Games without crunch tend to be fun and chill and people play them for decades.
Ten years from now people will still be playing games like Kenshi and and AC: New Leaf but no cunt will be playing trash like The Last of Jews 2 or Mortal Kombat 11.
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095d96 No.16915353
>>16915337
>Times have changed.
Not really. Now businesses just outsource to avoid paying a decent wage. Someone is always willing to work for less.
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40d727 No.16915357
>>16915320
if too many people abuse unemployement benefits, you'll have no benefits any more
and if a job doesn't pay for your rent, two will
That's how life is lived outside of your shithole of a country, don't think you're too far away from becoming like us
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060fac No.16915396
>>16915345
minimum wage didn't help, but the biggest reason for stagnant wages has been the push for more women in the workforce (almost doubling the labor pool in some realms of work), the use/abuse of illegal immigrant labor, work visas like H-1B, and finally outsourcing labor to cheaper countries (which was allowed by the government, despite it being detrimental to American citizens in the long-term.. and we are seeing uglier effects of it now with the pandemic that started in the PRC).
Government interventionalism and corporate propaganda. There would be no need for minimum wage if free enterprise was given the actual freedom to flourish. Minimum wage is a bandaid on a necrotized wound at this point.
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d53dea No.16915447
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7ab033 No.16915460
It's far more important than fluff. After all, crunch is the meat of the game.
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4894ba No.16915475
>>16915203
Why am I getting the feeling that CRUNCH means something completely retarded in this situation? Not crunch time at the end of game development?
Aside from the (1) and done OP?
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975d1d No.16915486
>>16915352
Give me the jank.
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2644cd No.16915543
>>16915486
The jank makes Kenshi better. If it had AAA polish it would not be half as good.
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d5d520 No.16915545
>>16915203
>what does /v/ think of [x]
Sage and report.
>actual answer
Dyke Kike Simulator 2 isn’t a video game. It shouldn’t even be discussed in any form. Animal Crossing, for all its improvements, still has the same level of baffling decisions in UI and UX acute to all Japanese games. Baffling because whites can never truly understand the neurology of another species–and vice versa.
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d5d520 No.16915547
>>16915311
Congrats on being clinically insane and brainwashed by jews. Get the fuck out of here, retard. Never speak about economics again.
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d5d520 No.16915548
>>16915338
>oy vey goyim we just need MORE communism
>ignore that everything happening today is the result of communism oy vey not true communism
Holy shit, die.
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2644cd No.16915549
>>16915545
Pass the bong stoner boy.
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d5d520 No.16915550
>>16915336
>what is the federal reserve
>what is the purchasing power of the dollar
>what is literally anything relevant whatsoever
<DURR MAKE BIZNESS PAY ME MOOOOOOORE
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d5d520 No.16915551
>>16915549
>nothing resembling an argument
Just leave, then.
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2644cd No.16915555
>>16915551
Its thread about crunch not UI. AC did not have crunch and its a comfy game. Last of Jews 2 has crunch will be a interactive movie like last shitty game.
Consider this faggot. Last of Jews WILL have a better UI than AC but AC will remain the better game.
Also consider suicide. Gun in throat has a great UI. You should try it.
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361ae1 No.16915556
I think its a rough but necessary evil
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c7f3c9 No.16915564
>>16915256
Yeah, it might be fine for one or two projects that you are actually invested in, but doing it on every project is a terribe long-term strategy and one of the primary reasons the industry is shit right now. All of the old talent which was cultivated over years quit the industry because they got burnt out. Currently, the average time a game developer works before fucking off to do something less terrible is 7 years. And I think that's averaged across all the departments, chances are it's lower for certain departments like programmers. If there's no opportunity for the devs to grow and become talented, we will always suffer through these games which look like they were made by amateurs because they are.
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5aba46 No.16915565
>>16915203
>What are your thoughts on crunch?
They should leave and find a better job at a better company.
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5aba46 No.16915615
>>16915318
>Do you have any idea how many homeless people would work for 50 cent an hour?
Why do that when you earn $100 in a day just standing on a street corner?
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5aba46 No.16915619
>>16915338
>This "the economy will fix it" line of thinking is the exact reason why wages haven't budged for four decades and we've had two recessions within 15 years.
Wages haven't gone up because minimum wage was NEVER designed to be the LIVABLE wage, it was designed to be the entry-level wage you're paid for going into the job market during or after high school.
>Please look at the world around you and realize that 1980's economy theory is deeply flawed and doesn't fucking work.
Blame Nixon for taking the U.S. off the gold standard, which caused a lot of this mess to spiral out of control in the first pace.
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5c1bfc No.16915630
I still have no idea what crunch is.
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4754c4 No.16915633
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fc9da6 No.16915650
>>16915555
Are there even goth girls around anymore?
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7e5e26 No.16915654
>>16915630
>>16915633
Crunch is overtime with added production pressure. Couple this with publishers limiting breaks (many will deliver food to studios, but expect to code and chew at your desk), work weeks reaching double the usual 40 hours if not more, along with many publishers finding loopholes to not pay Overtime wages for the added time or dangling bonuses that can be taken away with ease, on top of a lack of job security. And these "crunch times" can last for months.
Imagine spending 6-7 months barely leaving your desk to code as fast as you can living off of shit food and energy drinks for as little of pay possible to work on a game you probably didn't like in the first place and now dread to look at, then upon release get laid off from publisher and given black marks if the metacritic score is juuuust not high enough (like an 84 or so). And this is most of your job life for a couple of years. No wonder turnovers happen in the industry.
Don't forget that despite all the crunch, The Linear Movie of Us 2 was put on hiatus because of the pandemic.
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818bb1 No.16915678
>>16915654
Then don't work for a shitty AAA studio. Why would you code for video games specifically anyway? Cause you like playing games?
These idiots deserve it for participating and for just taking it up the ass working in this shitty environment instead of looking elsewhere.
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e8a9c4 No.16915706
>>16915311
I could only support that if the value of currency was tied to labor instead of debt, false promises of gold or oil.
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64ea44 No.16915707
>>16915565
This is what all my friends who I went to school with did. Other not vidya industries are more stable and pay more for the same skills. Sticking with vidya is not worth it for a lot of people.
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2a15cf No.16915722
>>16915326
Why the hell would you when unemployment nets you more than you’d make working?
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fc9da6 No.16915793
>>16915654
>The Linear Movie of Us 2 was put on hiatus because of the pandemic.
Where will they even release it? I don't think anyone will be going out to the theaters get a PS5 anytime soon.
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975d1d No.16915925
>>16915543
Hell yeah, I hope the next one won't be much bigger of a production in that regard.
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77891f No.16915928
>>16915311
that only works under two conditions:
1: there must be a surplus of jobs to laborers, enabling laborers to leverage their efforts against pay without fear of losing their jobs in favor of cheaper labor
2: corporation owners have to cease treating their bank accounts like the high score on a Pacman machine. You don't need or deserve a $300,000 bonus this year when you can't/refuse to pay your people a decent wage for their efforts. They're the ones putting in the hours and effort while you play golf and sit in meetings determining how you're going to fuck them over to pad your income this quarter
in a world where corporations are treating minimum wage like a suggestion rather than a cutoff, removing it is quite possibly the worst idea you can inflict on the economy
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000000 No.16915948
>>16915203
If you have leftist employees (you shouldn't), it is always ok to force them into slave labor just for the sake of it. Ruin their lives, take any money generated by their "work", and never give anything to them. Let them starve to death after they worked almost to death to produce something for you to sell.
Sit back, relax and laugh at their misery.
>>16915551
>>16915545
>Impotent leftist being an impotent leftist.
Nonwhites aren't people. Their needs and concerns are irrelevant.
>>16915654
Leftists deserve to go through all that for being what they are.
>>16915311
Abolish corporations instead.
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c7f3c9 No.16915960
>>16915678
>Then don't work for a shitty AAA studio.
That's not really as easy as you might think. Most smaller studios don't hire very much because they aren't that big. Also, programming games actually requires more skill than writing business software, and hiring programmers in other industries is already ridiculously inconsistent and terrible – good luck convincing a small studio with a tight budget that you're worth their money despite being a fresh college graduate.
>Why would you code for video games specifically anyway? Cause you like playing games?
As someone who has written both games and enterprise software, it's a lot more interesting, and believe it or not, difficult, than writing business software. Much of the typical changes made to business software can be made with little or no applied mathematics, whereas you usually have to come up with fairly complicated math just to get players to move in games, depending on how your movement works. Games from a software perspective are an amalgamation of all of the most fun/interesting things you did in computer science classes. The most interesting things you can do in non-game software are all tangentially related to games as well, such as AI/machine learning, graphics, etc. The majority of business software jobs are making minute changes to behemoth applications that require you to navigate jungles of red tape to even make that change, and then you find out that you have to revert it because the dumb fuck who asked for the change didn't word it correctly at all. This is why most business developers have some kind of blog and do tons of shit in their free time, because their jobs are fucking boring. I would still be a game developer if it wasn't an objectively terrible career choice because of the pay, benefits, and work environment.
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648e62 No.16915979
How does aegro know that there is no crunch for animal crossing? Is it because it was delayed because cyberpunk & TLOU2 admit there is crunch and that was delayed.
No crunch would be good. It would delay a 1 year release game to a 2 year release game and a 2 year release game to a 3 year release game and so on. Too bad they were the ones who put themselves into that corner where it's a part of the industry. They've also got stock holders to worry about so they are already put into a position where they have to deliver on a quarterly basis every year. They also handed their labor to China for easy money and made them more replaceable. They think unionization will help when all the choices that have fostered crunch were made by them.
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5aba46 No.16916009
>>16915928
>2: corporation owners have to cease treating their bank accounts like the high score on a Pacman machine. You don't need or deserve a $300,000 bonus this year when you can't/refuse to pay your people a decent wage for their efforts. They're the ones putting in the hours and effort while you play golf and sit in meetings determining how you're going to fuck them over to pad your income this quarter
Believe it or not, but a lot of the people who actually built and run those companies also hate those idiots because they are a huge drain on money and will be the first ones to go the moment they're not needed (Which is happening given how reliant and required the modern world is on communication to where you do not need separate division just for managing the different locations when you can have a literal "face to face" transition with instantaneously communication where both people talking can be across cities, states, countries, and continents).
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5aba46 No.16916022
>>16915979
>How does aegro know that there is no crunch for animal crossing?
He doesn't because, if he knew a single thing about Japanese game development (Or Japanese work life in general), he'd know that crunch is a way of life in Japan for an overwhelming majority of those living in cities. It's considered in extremely bad form to be the last to arrive and the first to leave, with some people even sleeping at their desks just to not make it look like they're slacking off (Especially so when the boss stays in late). That's also on top of the fact that "out of office" outings are treated almost like official business meeting.
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4754c4 No.16916024
>>16915979
>How does aegro know that there is no crunch for animal crossing?
Japanese office work is always crunch.
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7b0741 No.16916025
>>16915203
crunch is a AAA thing anyway far as i can tell, and I haven't even played any of that garbage since 2018, much less bought any.
though that new xcom game with ayy recruits is mighty tempting at 10bux, if that counts as AAA with crunch
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53ba70 No.16916057
>>16915203
I can only see more negatives than positives when it comes to crunch.
>>16915206
>New Vegas was shat out after a few months, it was still decent
NV is quite buggy and has a ton of cut content, if it was given more time it definitely would have been way better than what we actually got.
>Randy Pitchford Forever took 14 years and was shit
Gearbox are incompetent and turned DNF into a generic modern shooter like Halo and CoD which is why it sucked so much ass.
>>16915316
>I thought this place was entirely far-right
Of course you'd think that, reddit.
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d5e1ad No.16916071
>>16916025
That game would be interesting if they didn't slap the XCOM name on it. You don't team up with aliens in XCOM. It's wrong. Plus the art style is shit, especially the tumblr portraits.
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98a884 No.16916073
>>16916071
>You don't team up with aliens in XCOM. It's wrong.
Didnt you have alien hybrids in apocalypse?
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d5e1ad No.16916075
>>16916073
Maybe if you are a fag.
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fc9da6 No.16916076
>>16916025
>though that new xcom game with ayy recruits is mighty tempting at 10bux, if that counts as AAA with crunch
What game are you talking about? That better not be War of the Chosen.
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4754c4 No.16916078
>>16916076
>War of the Chosen
There's a Total War: Israel?
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98a884 No.16916082
>>16916075
Thats some terrible damage control you nu/v/ faggot.
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d5e1ad No.16916086
>>16916082
I didn't care for Armageddon, neither did anyone else.
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fc9da6 No.16916087
>>16916078
It's the xpac for X2 that makes the game mildly worth playing.
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98a884 No.16916091
>>16916086
Youre such a faggot holy shit.
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5d037c No.16916093
He was a pretty good character in Crash bandicoot, it's kind of a shame he was underdeveloped in his source game and didn't really get any sort of expansion on his character besides nitro kart.
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d5e1ad No.16916096
>>16916091
If Annhilation is so good wheres the open source remake? Checkmate queer.
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fc9da6 No.16916099
>>16916086
>>16916096
Are the two of you talking about XCOM Apocalypse?
http://openapoc.org/
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260f6c No.16916105
>>16915203
>japanese company
>no crunch
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1a3c25 No.16916113
"If you have leftist employees (you shouldn't), it is always ok to force them into slave labor just for the sake of it. Ruin their lives, take any money generated by their "work", and never give anything to them. Let them starve to death after they worked almost to death to produce something for you to sell."
Statements like these are what I was referring to when I said far right. Talking about hoping leftests would starve to death.
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1a3c25 No.16916120
Any stable person wouldn't want someone to suffer just for their political beliefs.
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98a884 No.16916122
>>16916099
Read the IDs, and no he hasnt played them but pretends he knows what hes talking about.
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7e5e26 No.16916127
>>16915979
>>16916022
>>16916024
With New Horizons, they COULD have gotten it out before Christmas if they wanted, but they instead decided to go at a slower pace for a few more months (but not post the fiscal year) for the wellbeing of the staff and the product. There is a difference in working like 14 hr days on something you're passionate about than the same amount of time on a project you just HAVE to do. Imagine crunch time on some shitty Paw Patrol game. Would you go above and beyond and add little touches to the polish, or just do the minimal amount of effort?
Also pretty sure TLoU2 has like untold amount of staff and studios having to work together and strain the project compared to Animal Crossing.
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f3f5c0 No.16916340
>>16916120
>Any stable person wouldn't want someone to suffer just for their political beliefs.
Just where the fuck do you think you are?
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b624f8 No.16916668
>>16915311
That won't work because most people are brainless sheep with zero agency. Those kinds of lemmings can't be counted on to demand a reasonable wage because then the employers can just find some meximonkey for whom the dollar goes way farther back home and can support a family of eight on seven dollars an hour. You might have principles, but it'd be because you're white or raised alongside whites, the filithy stupid immigrant stereotype exists for a reason and they undermine the average worker's ability to negotiate for a higher wage. Capitalist Pig bossman has an incentive to pay you as little as possible to enlarge that profit margin. That said, people who are expecting to get a livable wage at the minimum line are braindead and probably the whole reason why the whole wage negotiation situation is so shit; because instead of standing up for themselves they want big gov to do it for them.
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c4bc99 No.16917200
>>16915203
Crunch makes things better.
If the idea sucks then working on it harder won't fix it.
>>16915311
>otherwise nobody would take the job
False.
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cfac81 No.16917931
>>16915311
>if there's no minimum wage, nobody is working minimum wage
You see Ivan, when foot is hurt I cut off foot, so foot is no longer hurting.
>the business owners would be forced to pay a livable wage because otherwise nobody would take the job.
Ah yes, so if we allow businesses to pay people even less, they'll actually pay them more. Is this some kind of accelerationist delusion, or are you just plain retarded?
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